This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil

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LOL!!!! It's a complete waste of time to refute this ridiculous nonsense that only you believe. By making this ludicrous differentiation between being in Christ and being in Jesus, it shows that you will go to any length to try to keep your false doctrine afloat.

The Length I went to was to show you precisely IN Scripture….

IN Jesus, IN Christ.

The Belief IN Jesus, The Belief IN Christ.

Belief IN Jesus, God raises up.

Belief IN Christ Jesus, Lord Jesus raises up.

Bodily death is required to BE Saved.

Physical bodily death, IN Jesus, God resurrects, from the grave to the face of the earth.

Spiritual bodily death, IN Christ, Lord Jesus raptures, from the earth to the clouds.

You think it ridiculous I believe Scripture…
So what.

You think Scripture is Ridiculous….
So what.

Every time you announce your thoughts, you solidify your reputation is against Scripture and reveal your fruits are neither ripe or suitable to consider consuming.
Laugh away…I laugh as well.

 

[WPM]

The Length I went to was to show you precisely IN Scripture….

IN Jesus, IN Christ.

The Belief IN Jesus, The Belief IN Christ.

Belief IN Jesus, God raises up.

Belief IN Christ Jesus, Lord Jesus raises up.

Bodily death is required to BE Saved.

Physical bodily death, IN Jesus, God resurrects, from the grave to the face of the earth.

Spiritual bodily death, IN Christ, Lord Jesus raptures, from the earth to the clouds.

You think it ridiculous I believe Scripture…
So what.

You think Scripture is Ridiculous….
So what.

Every time you announce your thoughts, you solidify your reputation is against Scripture and reveal your fruits are neither ripe or suitable to consider consuming.
Laugh away…I laugh as well.

The only thing you have proved is that you have no grasp of what the Scriptures teach. You prefer to invent your own error. It is a waste of time engaging in you. I might as well talk to the wall.

 

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The only thing you have proved is that you have no grasp of what the Scriptures teach. You prefer to invent your own error. It is a waste of time engaging in you. I might as well talk to the wall.

That is false, but some men who have espoused erroneous claims, shown with Scripture their claims are erroneous, will continue their charade in an attempt to save face.

Personally I think it would be more beneficial to you to read the Scriptures and take your snarky attitude, denial of Scripture and talk to a mirror.

 

[WPM]

That is false, but some men who have espoused erroneous claims, shown with Scripture their claims are erroneous, will continue their charade in an attempt to save face.

Personally I think it would be more beneficial to you to read the Scriptures and take your snarky attitude, denial of Scripture and talk to a mirror.

I doubt you even understand what you write. It is as clear as mud.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Length I went to was to show you precisely IN Scripture….

You showed me that you don't have a clue about Scripture and that you are willing to go to any length, including inventing this nonsense about there being a difference between being "IN Jesus" and "IN Christ", to keep your doctrine afloat.

IN Jesus, IN Christ.

The Belief IN Jesus, The Belief IN Christ.

Belief IN Jesus, God raises up.

Belief IN Christ Jesus, Lord Jesus raises up.

Bodily death is required to BE Saved.

Physical bodily death, IN Jesus, God resurrects, from the grave to the face of the earth.

Spiritual bodily death, IN Christ, Lord Jesus raptures, from the earth to the clouds.

You think it ridiculous I believe Scripture…
So what.

Now you're resorting to lying? I would never think it's ridiculous to believe Scripture. I believe it's ridiculous to TWIST scripture the way you do to fit your false doctrine.

You think Scripture is Ridiculous….
So what.

That is a lie. I absolutely do not think scripture is ridiculous. Scripture is "God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Every time you announce your thoughts, you solidify your reputation is against Scripture and reveal your fruits are neither ripe or suitable to consider consuming.
Laugh away…I laugh as well.

I am against your false doctrine. That you feel the need to slander me and act as if my arguments against your INTERPRETATIONS are a case of me being against scripture shows how desperate you are. You have NOTHING to refute my beliefs. That is why you get desperate and resort to complete nonsense like the ridiculous differentiation between "in Christ" and "in Jesus" thing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The only thing you have proved is that you have no grasp of what the Scriptures teach. You prefer to invent your own error. It is a waste of time engaging in you. I might as well talk to the wall.

Mostly agree, but I would say that the wall makes more sense than he does.

 

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I doubt you even understand what you write. It is a s clear as mud.

Thanks for your sharp as a marble observation.

 

[WPM]

Thanks for your sharp as a marble observation.

Your welcome!

 

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I would never think it's ridiculous to believe Scripture.


That is why you get desperate and resort to complete nonsense like the ridiculous differentiation between "in Christ" and "in Jesus" thing.

IN Christ is EXPRESSLY Scriptural.
The EXPRESS BELIEF is Scriptural.

IN Jesus is EXPRESSLY Scriptural.
THE EXPRESS BELIEF is Scriptural.

Which you call…..
”complete nonsense and ridiculous”

IN Christ ARE saved. Shall be raised BY the Lord, to the Clouds.

IN Jesus SHALL be saved, IF they continue to believe IN Jesus, to the day of their bodily death, THEN Shall be raised BY God to the Earth.

Not the Same, Is Scriptural, and you Deny.
Keep fooling yourself.

 

[WPM]

IN Christ is EXPRESSLY Scriptural.
The EXPRESS BELIEF is Scriptural.

IN Jesus is EXPRESSLY Scriptural.
THE EXPRESS BELIEF is Scriptural.

Which you call…..
”complete nonsense and ridiculous”

IN Christ ARE saved. Shall be raised BY the Lord, to the Clouds.

IN Jesus SHALL be saved, IF they continue to believe IN Jesus, to the day of their bodily death, THEN Shall be raised BY God to the Earth.

Not the Same, Is Scriptural, and you Deny.
Keep fooling yourself.

I would stop digging. The hole you are digging is about to collapse on you.

 

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I would stop digging. The hole you are digging is about to collapse on you.

Sounds like advice from experience.

 

[WPM]

Sounds like advice from experience.

Right, it is time to finally address the Op or go elsewhere.

 

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Right, it is time to finally address the Op or go elsewhere.

After 12 pages, the OP has exhaustively been addressed, and individuals extent of knowledge, and division between carnal understanding and spiritual understanding remain the same.

 

[WPM]

After 12 pages, the OP has exhaustively been addressed, and individuals extent of knowledge, and division between carnal understanding and spiritual understanding remain the same.

Give me the posts where you "addressed" the OP?

I will not hold my breath.

 

[WPM]

After 12 pages, the OP has exhaustively been addressed, and individuals extent of knowledge, and division between carnal understanding and spiritual understanding remain the same.

Give me the posts where you "addressed" the OP?

I will not hold my breath.

 

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Op note!

The Op exposes the lie that Premillennialists are the literalists. They are not. They spiritualize away anything that interferes with their theology.

* Salvation received before or during the Trib…
* Rising up before, during or after the Trib….
* Each are SPECIFIC and LITERAL applications regarding SPECIFIC individuals.

Saying the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus comes, is elementary, carnal, and not spiritually accurate.

The Wicked do not GO UP anywhere,
Nor is SMOKE a highlight of their judgement.

NOR does that comment have a THING to do with specific men who are LITERALLY already SAVED and QUICKENED, and NOT appointed to suffer WRATH that comes down from Heaven BY Gods Authority and Power, upon the Earth and it’s inhabitants on the face of the Earth.

There IS an “IF” criteria men must meet, before the “THEN” result is fulfilled….

Bodily DEATH, MUST be satisfied, BEFORE a man can become MADE “WHOLE”.
The MAKING of a man to be “WHOLE”….
IS Forgiveness.
IS Bodily Death.
IS Soul Saved.
IS Spirit Quickened.
The MAKING of a man to be “WHOLE”…
* Requires the mans FREEWILL desire, word, confession, that he BE MADE WHOLE.
* Requires Gods WORKS, to accomplish…
The mans forgiveness, the mans bodily death, the mans soul salvation, the mans spirit quickening.

ONCE a man IS MADE WHOLE….he is EXCEPTED From Gods “causing” Great Tribulations and Wrath.

Being Excepted is one thing….KNOWLEDGE.
Knowing HOW (what manner), God SHALL Except an individual FROM Gods “Caused” Great Tribulations and Wrath….is UNDERSTANDING according to Gods WISDOM.

Not a big secret, God “caused” Great Tribulations and Wrath TO ONCE greatly and negatively Affect the Earth….
(And in all likelihood surprised and shocked the Majority of the occupants upon the face of the Earth.)

Nothing new under the sun….what was SHALL again occur.
You can take a lesson from what was, and the knowledge of HOW TO AVOID, or preach
Whatever you want.

I don’t turn to you for Gods Knowledge or Gods Understanding. I go to the source and the express source God gave His Word, His Knowledge to teach others. For Gods Understanding, I go to the Lord God Himself.

Anyone ON the Earth who has NOT met ALL of Gods “requirements” to BE MADE WHOLE, or the express FEW, with Gods MARK Visible on their flesh….WILL Be upon the face of the Earth….on an UNKNOWN (day/hour)….God SHALL send down from Heaven His tribulations and wrath upon the face of the earth.
And anyone MADE WHOLE shall NOT be upon the face of the Earth.

You can believe it (Literally, Carnally, Spiritually) or not…and so can anyone else.

 

[WPM]

* Salvation received before or during the Trib…
* Rising up before, during or after the Trib….
* Each are SPECIFIC and LITERAL applications regarding SPECIFIC individuals.

Saying the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus comes, is elementary, carnal, and not spiritually accurate.

The Wicked do not GO UP anywhere,
Nor is SMOKE a highlight of their judgement.

NOR does that comment have a THING to do with specific men who are LITERALLY already SAVED and QUICKENED, and NOT appointed to suffer WRATH that comes down from Heaven BY Gods Authority and Power, upon the Earth and it’s inhabitants on the face of the Earth.

There IS an “IF” criteria men must meet, before the “THEN” result is fulfilled….

Bodily DEATH, MUST be satisfied, BEFORE a man can become MADE “WHOLE”.
The MAKING of a man to be “WHOLE”….
IS Forgiveness.
IS Bodily Death.
IS Soul Saved.
IS Spirit Quickened.
The MAKING of a man to be “WHOLE”…
* Requires the mans FREEWILL desire, word, confession, that he BE MADE WHOLE.
* Requires Gods WORKS, to accomplish…
The mans forgiveness, the mans bodily death, the mans soul salvation, the mans spirit quickening.

ONCE a man IS MADE WHOLE….he is EXCEPTED From Gods “causing” Great Tribulations and Wrath.

Being Excepted is one thing….KNOWLEDGE.
Knowing HOW (what manner), God SHALL Except an individual FROM Gods “Caused” Great Tribulations and Wrath….is UNDERSTANDING according to Gods WISDOM.

Not a big secret, God “caused” Great Tribulations and Wrath TO ONCE greatly and negatively Affect the Earth….
(And in all likelihood surprised and shocked the Majority of the occupants upon the face of the Earth.)

Nothing new under the sun….what was SHALL again occur.
You can take a lesson from what was, and the knowledge of HOW TO AVOID, or preach
Whatever you want.

I don’t turn to you for Gods Knowledge or Gods Understanding. I go to the source and the express source God gave His Word, His Knowledge to teach others. For Gods Understanding, I go to the Lord God Himself.

Anyone ON the Earth who has NOT met ALL of Gods “requirements” to BE MADE WHOLE, or the express FEW, with Gods MARK Visible on their flesh….WILL Be upon the face of the Earth….on an UNKNOWN (day/hour)….God SHALL send down from Heaven His tribulations and wrath upon the face of the earth.
And anyone MADE WHOLE shall NOT be upon the face of the Earth.

You can believe it (Literally, Carnally, Spiritually) or not…and so can anyone else.

Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?

 

[WPM]

Op note!

The Op exposes the lie that Premillennialists are the literalists. They are not. They spiritualize away anything that interferes with their theology.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

IN Christ is EXPRESSLY Scriptural.
The EXPRESS BELIEF is Scriptural.

IN Jesus is EXPRESSLY Scriptural.
THE EXPRESS BELIEF is Scriptural.

Which you call…..
”complete nonsense and ridiculous”

There is no difference between being "in Jesus" and "in Christ" since Jesus is the Christ. To suggest there is a difference is what is complete nonsense and ridiculous. And everyone here knows that except you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

After 12 pages, the OP has exhaustively been addressed, and individuals extent of knowledge, and division between carnal understanding and spiritual understanding remain the same.

LOL. You consider your incoherent ramblings to be a case of addressing the OP? I have to disagree.