This world and the wicked are going up in a puff of smoke when Jesus come - thus negating Premil

[Taken]

I refer you back to my last post.

You making accusations, quoting a list of Scriptures, me thumbing back through is Not a conversation.

 

[robert derrick]

Is any of Isaiah 65 related to your so-called future millennium?

The Millennium will be like it, even as the OT was a foreshadowing of the New.

In the Millennium, nations will still have to be punished with no rain for rebellion.

 

[WPM]

The Millennium will be like it, even as the OT was a foreshadowing of the New.

In the Millennium, nations will still have to be punished with no rain for rebellion.

Where do you get that in Rev 20?

 

[Phoneman777]

Neither amil nor millennialist.

You make up your own spirit-only prophecy for one.

Anyone thinking to have any rule of their own on earth at this time, are not crucified fully to Christ, nor laid down their life, nor taken up their cross.

No apostle teaches any Christian in the gospel of the cross, ruling in this life. Jesus is the only Head and Prince on earth. Not until His return, will the resurrected saints then be made co-rulers over nations with Him.

Jesus ruled no one with the cross at His first coming, neither do we. We are now kings and priest in service to the Lord, not kings and priests ruling with Him. We have to serve and endure unto the end, to be resurrected with ruling authority over nations.

Rodes of iron are not until His coming again.


Only on this earth and the new earth. Never in heaven. There is no Scripture saying so.

Nor any Scripture of the apostles saying we are ruling anything now, especially not our own lives on earth.


The wicked around Judea gathered to make war, yes.

But not them upon whom He pours His Spirit of grace, beginning at Jerusalem.

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

This is His second coming seen by every eye. God always has proof Scripture to end every argument of doctrine and prophecy. And it's usually a well-known one, that gets lost in the mix of other Scriptures.

World genocide by the Lord at His coming again, is false. That is the prophetic pathetic hope of a false christ.



Not the last one before His coming. Many antichrists have been, and still are running their mouths, to teach false doctrine and prophecy false comings.





You insert execution before judgement.



So long as the God is the Lamb, then the Lamb is the Saviour for all the world. Such as the saved nations on the new earth, and them not allowed through the gates to eat of healing leaves.

If you don't like disagreement, then don't engage others.

You obviously take things too personal.


True.



Oblivion is the wishful lie of those, that do not ensure their election to never fall unto the end of this life, and so receive the reward of inheriting the kingdom of God forever.


You have one simple task here. To either agree Jesus will pour out His Spirit of grace with His coming again, after the destruction at Armageddon, or you can reject it and say He won't.

Since He does so, He is also coming to save and not just to condemn, even as the first time. John 3 is saying the Lord never comes to the earth just to condemn the world. He can do that from heaven anytime He wanted, without wasting time coming to earth itself.

You keep insisting that our ideas are private interpretations, so I'll invite you to read the verses I've listed and then the explanation which follows each...and if you think something is amiss, please explain why:

>(Revelation 20:4-6 KJV) There's a 1,000 years between the first and second resurrections.

>(1 Thess. 4:14-18 KJV) At the Second Coming, Jesus resurrects the dead saints in the first resurrection.

>(John 14:2-3 KJV; Revelation 20:4 KJV) He takes us back to heaven to reign with Him for 1,000 years.

>(Revelation 20:6 KJV) The wicked will drop dead and remain dead until after the 1,000 years.

 

[WPM]

You making accusations, quoting a list of Scriptures, me thumbing back through is Not a conversation.

Address the Op and stop avoiding the issues.

 

[Taken]

Address the Op and stop avoiding the issues.

The OP is a long rant of your personal opinions against the beliefs that you once held…and has been addressed and exhausted in that your personal opinions DO NOT represent a great number of people Converted IN Christ.

You drew the line, for what you no longer believe, and have used your NEW personal opinions AS an Attack mechanism Against people Converted IN Christ, with NO Scriptural Evidence OF persons (for 2,000+ years) Converted IN Christ being Present ON EARTH and SUBJECT TO the Great Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven.

Why do you conveniently not respond with the SCRIPTURAL TEXT regarding people CONVERTED “IN” Christ being ON EARTH and SUFFERING Gods Great Tribulations, Chaos, Wrath and Death?

Why? What Scriptural TEXT teaches YOU people Converted “IN” Christ are on Gods list of being UNRIGHTEOUS and appointed to SUFFER Gods Tribulations and Wrath?

 

[WPM]

The OP is a long rant of your personal opinions against the beliefs that you once held…and has been addressed and exhausted in that your personal opinions DO NOT represent a great number of people Converted IN Christ.

You drew the line, for what you no longer believe, and have used your NEW personal opinions AS an Attack mechanism Against people Converted IN Christ, with NO Scriptural Evidence OF persons (for 2,000+ years) Converted IN Christ being Present ON EARTH and SUBJECT TO the Great Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven.

Why do you conveniently not respond with the SCRIPTURAL TEXT regarding people CONVERTED “IN” Christ being ON EARTH and SUFFERING Gods Great Tribulations, Chaos, Wrath and Death?

Why? What Scriptural TEXT teaches YOU people Converted “IN” Christ are on Gods list of being UNRIGHTEOUS and appointed to SUFFER Gods Tribulations and Wrath?

The Op is full of truth, which you (or no Premil) can address.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No one objected to all authority being Given Jesus….AND as Scripture Reveals WHEN, WHY, and OVER WHOM that authority applies.

You say He rules OVER “specifically” His followers.

Actually He rules OVER “specifically” Those Converted “IN” Christ.

His followers are in Christ. More nonsense from you that no one can take seriously.

What has NOT OCCURRED is: ALL upon the face of the Earth ARE His Followers!
AND as scripture Reveals, During Christ Jesus’ 1,000 year reign, THEN SHALL ALL upon the face of the EARTH BE His “Followers”! At the END of Christ Jesus’ reign, “Followers” will betray Jesus and come Against Him to war.

“Followers” CAN STOP FOLLOWING. (Less you forget Judas).

Presently MANY THINGS upon the face of the EARTH occur without His Permission, it’s called FREEWILL of man.

What are you even talking about here? He gives people permission to make both good and bad choices rather than forcing them to do what He wants. That's what permission is. It seems like you don't even know what the word means.

You may have meant to say, Nothing occurs upon the face of the earth, without His Knowledge.

No, I meant what I said. He is in control. He can intervene any time He wants and He can allow people to make bad choices if He wants. He is the King of kings and Lord of lords NOW. For any Christian to not understand that shows an extreme lack of understanding of who Jesus is.

No, my understanding is not flawed.

It's VERY flawed.

Yes, I disagree with you.

No kidding.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As I said, I do endless round and round, but only answer each point once or twice.

If you come up with anything new, then I'll be glad to look at it.



Already addressed all this once or twice.

You just keep regurgitating old stuff, because you like to hear yourself type.

Don't respond at all if you're not going to address my points. Your one liner responses are pointless.

 

[WPM]

What are you even talking about here? He gives people permission to make both good and bad choices rather than forcing them to do what He wants. That's what permission is. It seems like you don't even know what the word means.


No, I meant what I said. He is in control. He can intervene any time He wants and He can allow people to make bad choices if He wants. He is the King of kings and Lord of lords NOW. For any Christian to not understand that shows an extreme lack of understanding of who Jesus is.


It's VERY flawed.


No kidding.

Well put!

 

[Taken]

His followers are in Christ.

Seems you have forgotten about Judas!
Judas was a follower and Stopped following!
Peter was a follower and Denied Jesus!

Followers OF JESUS, are IN JESUS, Following the Word of God.
THEY CAN STOP FOLLOWING at ANY TIME!
(seriously, there are Umpteen WARNINGS in Scripture about falling away!)

A man “IN” Christ is not described as a “FOLLOWER”…..but rather “CONVERTED”!
He is baptized with the HS and can NEVER fall away!

You apparently have not learned the very basics of Gods Order and Way.

More nonsense from you that no one can take seriously.

I wouldn’t say no one, can take me seriously…..but likely that number would be FEW, since MOST try to bend Scripture for their Carnal minds reasoning, rather than Understand IN the Spirit.

I’m content to be counted among the Few.
:)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Seems you have forgotten about Judas!

No, I haven't.

Judas was a follower and Stopped following!

And he was no longer in Christ at that point. A person is considered to be "in Christ" only if they are saved. It's ludicrous to think that anyone who isn't saved can be "in Christ". Why are you trying to turn something simple into something convoluted?

Peter was a follower and Denied Jesus!

Followers OF JESUS, are IN JESUS, Following the Word of God.

He was in Christ as well since, you know, Jesus is the Christ. You should be embarrassed by this nonsense you keep putting out there. If someone is in Jesus then they are in Christ since He is the Christ. Very simple.

THEY CAN STOP FOLLOWING at ANY TIME!
(seriously, there are Umpteen WARNINGS in Scripture about falling away!)

Did I say otherwise? No, I did not. I say this a lot, but I want to help save people some time. You can't get the time you waste making straw man arguments back. So, don't waste your time doing that. Don't make assumptions about what people believe. Find out what they believe first before wasting your time making arguments against things that they don't even believe.

A man “IN” Christ is not described as a “FOLLOWER”…..but rather “CONVERTED”!
He is baptized with the HS and can NEVER fall away!

Where in the world are you getting this from? Please back up your claims with scripture for once. I'm getting tired of just seeing your many words without any scripture to back them up.

You apparently have not learned the very basics of Gods Order and Way.

LOL. These kinds of comments are pointless and useless. Stop wasting your time making them.

I wouldn’t say no one, can take me seriously

I would. And did.

…..but likely that number would be FEW, since MOST try to bend Scripture for their Carnal minds reasoning, rather than Understand IN the Spirit.

You obviously are very prideful. You need to repent of that. God isn't going to reveal anything to you when you're full of so much pride in yourself.

I’m content to be counted among the Few.
:)

You're content with being full of yourself and thinking that you're somehow one of God's special chosen few (literally few rather than relatively few like in Matt 22:14) who are superior to everyone else.

 

[Taken]

No, I haven't.


And he was no longer in Christ at that point.

Judas WAS NEVER “IN” Christ!
A follower of Gods Word, is a follower OF JESUS, called “IN” JESUS….uh…IN THE WORD!

A person is considered to be "in Christ" only if they are saved. It's ludicrous to think that anyone who isn't saved can be "in Christ".

LOL….far from convoluted….EXPRESSLY PERCISE!

AND….now you say, IF THEY ARE SAVED, they are IN CHRIST….well no duh.
NOT every follower is IN Christ, or Saved.

AND ….yet you just said Judas, a follower, who stopped following was “IN” Christ….
No he wasn’t.
None of the Disciples were SAVED UNTIL AFTER Jesus’ ascended BACK UP TO HEAVEN!

Men do NOT become “IN” Christ and then NOT “IN” Christ…..as you ridiculously proclaimed applied to Judas.

Men IN JESUS, are hearing, learning, believing, doubting, following, curious, wondering, believing……which IS VACILLATING, UNSURE, UNCOMMITTED….

Some men STOP, walk away, and FOLLOW NO MORE!

Some men CONTINUE, FOLLOW and CHOOSE TO BECOME CONVERTED “IN” Christ.

Why are you trying to turn something simple into something convoluted?

It is SIMPLE when you ACTUALLY KNOW THE TRUTH….TEACHING A LIE, is not the TRUTH….
Men IN Jesus, IN the Word of God, CAN, HAVE and DO fall away.

Men IN Christ, IN the Power of God, CAN NEVER fall away.

WHY teach a LIE, when the TRUTH IS NOT Complicated, nor convoluted as you claim.

Disciples are Followers of the Word of God.
The Converted are Spirit Baptized by the Power of God, who IS Christ!

Really….you don’t know the ROLE of the WORD of God and ROLE of the SPIRIT/POWER of God?

Astounding!

He was in Christ as well since, you know, Jesus is the Christ. You should be embarrassed by this nonsense

You should learn the TRUTH, then experience embarrassment for yourself.

you keep putting out there. If someone is in Jesus then they are in Christ since He is the Christ. Very simple.

Error. BACKWARDS. If someone is IN Christ, they are in CHRIST JESUS….
Many are IN Jesus, but NOT IN Christ.

It is utterly ridiculous, that you are teaching
God is so UNJUST, that He allots NO TIME to hear and learn ABOUT the Lord God….BEFORE A MAN makes a life-long commitment!

Following the Word of God, IS Precisely a mans TIME and OPPORTUNITY to Hear, read, learn ABOUT the Lord God, by and through THE WORD OF GOD, IN the Word, IN Jesus.

Scripture even WARNS to be DILIGENT…BE SURE….BEFORE you make a life long COMMITMENT to the Lord God…..BECAUSE the COMMITMENT….IS FOREVER!

Being IN Jesus, IN the Word of God….is NOT required to be Permanent….
Being IN Christ, IN the Power of God….IS required to be Permanent.

Yes, a man IN Christ IS ALSO IN the Word of God….
No, a man IN Jesus IN the Word of God is not ‘IN” Christ, until He FREELY choses to become Baptized with the Holy Spirit.

You teaching a man IN Christ can fall away IS false.
You teaching a man IN Jesus means the man IS IN Christ IS false.

The Lord raises UP those IN Christ.
(1 Thes 4:16-17)
God raises UP those saved IN Jesus.
(1 Thes 4:14)

Did I say otherwise? No, I did not. I say this a lot, but I want to help save people some time. You can't get the time you waste making straw man arguments back.

Why just accuse? Prove Scripture is wrong….
Prove scripture DOES NOT SAY, IN Jesus God will bring with Him. 1 Thes 4:14
Prove scripture DOES NOT SAY, IN Christ the Lord will raise him up. 1 Thes 4:16-17

Provide any Scripture that says a man IN CHRIST, can fall away.

Provide any Scripture that says a man FOLLOWING the Word of God, CAN NOT FALL AWAY.

Strawman argument….Pfff
Just stating the TRUTH according to Gods ORDER and WAY….
Too Bad you have not YET Learned the Truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Judas WAS NEVER “IN” Christ!
A follower of Gods Word, is a follower OF JESUS, called “IN” JESUS….uh…IN THE WORD!

I have no interest in arguing about whether he was ever in Christ since that's beside the point. The point we're debating is whether being "in Christ" is the same as being "in Jesus" or not. And it clearly is since Jesus is the Christ. Everyone knows that except for you.

Tell me where scripture says that Judas was "in Jesus" but not "in Christ". Good luck. You're making things up.

LOL….far from convoluted….EXPRESSLY PERCISE!

AND….now you say, IF THEY ARE SAVED, they are IN CHRIST….well no duh.
NOT every follower is IN Christ, or Saved.

Everyone "in Jesus" is "in Christ". That is the point. I have no interest in addressing your other convoluted nonsense.

AND ….yet you just said Judas, a follower, who stopped following was “IN” Christ….
No he wasn’t.

For the purpose of this discussion, it doesn't matter if he was or not. If he wasn't in Christ then he also wasn't in Jesus. There is no difference between being in Jesus and being in Christ. That is something that have you made up in your very active imagination. You noticeably do not even attempt to back up such nonsense with scripture since you know it's not taught anywhere in scripture.

None of the Disciples were SAVED UNTIL AFTER Jesus’ ascended BACK UP TO HEAVEN!

Men do NOT become “IN” Christ and then NOT “IN” Christ…..as you ridiculously proclaimed applied to Judas.

Maybe in a sense they were not officially saved until then, but are you saying that if they would have died before that then they wouldn't have been saved? I hope you're not saying that.

Men IN JESUS, are hearing, learning, believing, doubting, following, curious, wondering, believing……which IS VACILLATING, UNSURE, UNCOMMITTED….

Some men STOP, walk away, and FOLLOW NO MORE!

Some men CONTINUE, FOLLOW and CHOOSE TO BECOME CONVERTED “IN” Christ.

LOL. Your use of CAPITALS really adds a DRAMATIC effect to your POSTS. I'm fully aware that some people walk away and some continue. You don't need to waste your time telling me these things.

It is SIMPLE when you ACTUALLY KNOW THE TRUTH….TEACHING A LIE, is not the TRUTH….
Men IN Jesus, IN the Word of God, CAN, HAVE and DO fall away.

Men IN Christ, IN the Power of God, CAN NEVER fall away.

You are the one making things up and teaching lies. Show me the scripture which teaches what you're saying here. If you can't then you are just lying and are a hypocrite for saying that I'm teaching a lie.

WHY teach a LIE, when the TRUTH IS NOT Complicated, nor convoluted as you claim.

If it's simple then why can you not show the truth in a simple, straightforward way? Instead, you use MANY words to say NOTHING of substance.

Disciples are Followers of the Word of God.
The Converted are Spirit Baptized by the Power of God, who IS Christ!

Really….you don’t know the ROLE of the WORD of God and ROLE of the SPIRIT/POWER of God?

Astounding!

It's astounding that you think you can judge me like this and get away with it. Jesus said do not judge or you will be judged by the same measure that you are judging others. I suggest you stop doing that.

Error. BACKWARDS. If someone is IN Christ, they are in CHRIST JESUS….
Many are IN Jesus, but NOT IN Christ.

Where does scripture teach this? Show me. All I see is your words. The fact that you don't even attempt to back them up with scripture is very telling.

You teaching a man IN Jesus means the man IS IN Christ IS false.

LOL. Are you for real or just putting me on? I can barely believe that someone can say something as utterly ludicrous as this and actually mean it.

The Lord raises UP those IN Christ.
(1 Thes 4:16-17)
God raises UP those saved IN Jesus.
(1 Thes 4:14)

Show me exactly where 1 Thess 4:14 and 1 Thess 4:16-17 say this. I'm not seeing that at all. Jesus is the Christ. It is beyond ludicrous to make a distinction between Christ and Jesus. LOL. Unbelievable.

Why just accuse? Prove Scripture is wrong….
Prove scripture DOES NOT SAY, IN Jesus God will bring with Him. 1 Thes 4:14
Prove scripture DOES NOT SAY, IN Christ the Lord will raise him up. 1 Thes 4:16-17

Jesus is Christ the Lord. I don't have to prove that. You know that yourself. I don't have to prove that lunacy like your're promoting is wrong. I have no concerns that anyone will be deceived by this ridiculous false teaching, so it's not something I need to prove. The fact that Jesus is the Christ is proof enough that being "in Jesus" and "in Christ" are the same.

Provide any Scripture that says a man IN CHRIST, can fall away.

Provide any Scripture that says a man FOLLOWING the Word of God, CAN NOT FALL AWAY.

Strawman argument….Pfff
Just stating the TRUTH according to Gods ORDER and WAY….
Too Bad you have not YET Learned the Truth.

One truth I have learned is that you have no idea whatsoever of what you're talking about.

 

[Taken]

I have no interest in arguing about whether he was ever in Christ since that's beside the point.

That was A FALSE POINT you stated, thus a UNTRUTH you believe and taught.

The point we're debating is whether being "in Christ" is the same as being "in Jesus" or not.

ADDRESS the scripture it’self. You have been Shown the Precise Scripture…
AND HERE AGAIN…

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

IF…a requirement.
BELIEVE….believe WHAT exactly….?
That JESUS DIED and ROSE AGAIN.
IF….then WHAT?
IF …. They ARE BODILY DEAD….
IF …. Then WHAT?
God will bring them with Him….
BRING them WHERE?
Not rocket science….Bring them UP from their grave to a Glorified Bodily Life!
It’s CALLED the first resurrection that takes place……AFTER Christ’s 1,000 yr reign!

1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Really? You do NOT comprehend the simple Knowledge, A man WHO BELIEVE JESUS died and rose up, are called IN JESUS, and SHALL BE RISEN UP BY GOD?

Really? You do NOT comprehend the simple Knowledge, a man WHO BELIEVES JESUS “IS” the CHRIST the Son of the Living God, “IS” a man who BECOMES Crucified with Christ Jesus, and BAPTIZED with the Holy Spirit, and “IN” Christ?

Really, you do not know the TWO EXPRESS DIFFERENT BELIEFS?
IN Jesus….believing Jesus died and rose up.
IN Christ….believing Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Really, you do not KNOW WHO expressly raises a man IN Jesus….
And WHO expressly raises a man IN Christ.

You mix terms, which God expressly DID NOT.

And it clearly is since Jesus is the Christ.

You have to LIE, as an effort to buttress your name calling and accusations?

Knowing, Believing Jesus IS the Christ is one thing.

Knowing JESUS is the Word of God….and has a specific role, is Gods manner of TEACHING…..why do you reject it?

Knowing CHRIST is the POWER of God….and has a specific role, is Gods manner of TEACHING…..why do you reject it?

Everyone knows that except for you.

Tell me where scripture says that Judas was "in Jesus" but not "in Christ". Good luck. You're making things up.

It’s called WISDOM….Judas betrayed Jesus. Judas Died while Jesus was still ON EARTH….seriously you do not KNOW, None of Jesus’ disciples received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (and became IN Christ) until after Jesus returned to Heaven!?

Everyone "in Jesus" is "in Christ". That is the point. I have no interest in addressing your other convoluted nonsense.

No not every one IN Jesus is IN Christ…
However every one IN Christ is IN Jesus.

And you repeatedly revealing your mishmash Scripture, by what you know, and not what Scripture Actually says….and you repeatedly making your snarky comments regarding my using precise scriptural text and understand according to the text…..although meant to be a dig against me….is a compliment….that reveals you are without spiritual understanding….but rather speak, teach and understand carnally.

Since it was not in your mantra to simply disagree and then comprehend when shown you the SAME language I stated, is the SAME language IN Scripture….I’m guessing we are not friends, and most likely not brethren…
God is Just….everyone gets what they desire….Enjoy the tribulation….

 

[WPM]

No not every one IN Jesus is IN Christ…
However every one IN Christ is IN Jesus.

You talk such gibberish. Only you can comprehend such nonsense. You talk to yourself most of time.

 

[Taken]

You talk such gibberish. Only you can comprehend such nonsense. You talk to yourself most of time.

IN Jesus, until bodily physical death, IS soul Saved BY God after physical death, bodily buried, saved soul risen to Heaven. Waits for 1st resurrection, to be raised up, BY God, in a glorified body.

IN Christ, spiritually crucified with Jesus’ body. Body spiritually accounted Dead. IS soul saved, IS spirit quickened, IS spiritually living IN Jesus’ risen body, IS a Saint, IS in Christ’s Church, IS waiting to be raised up, BY the Lord, in a glorified body.

A man IN Jesus, before physical death, can fall away.
A man IN Christ, can never fall away.

A hearing and seeing man who can not understanding the difference IS spiritually deaf and blind.

And your excuse for being spiritually deaf and blind….is you desperately trying to BLAME ME….saying I speak “gibberish”.

It is NOT my requirement to MAKE YOU understand.
I spoke TRUE Knowledge, according to Gods Word. I showed you the Knowledge in Gods Written Word.
The Knowledge comes FROM God and is given us VIA servants of God who WROTE with ink on paper, according to Gods spoken Word.
The Understanding of the Knowledge comes FROM God.

I trust the written words.
I showed you the written words.
I have asked God for His understanding of His written words.

You did NOT address the written words, I showed you.
You have NOT once mentioned asking God for His Understanding of His word….but then you have NOT even mentioned you READ the words IN Scripture I showed you.

You simply DEFLECT and retort with accusations AGAINST ME.

That is one EXAMPLE of Scriptural teaching of persecutions against godly men.
Remember, Gods Promise…. He shall Avenge men who come against godly men.

You say there is NO such thing or Difference of a man IN Jesus and a man IN Christ….
YET Scripture precisely reveals the Difference.

God saves and raises up (to the face of the earth) a mans dead body in Glory, at the first resurrection, who bodily dies BELIEVING IN Jesus, believing Jesus died and rose up.

Christ Jesus saves a man who is spiritually crucified with Jesus, BELIEVING IN Christ, IN Jesus, IN God believing Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
And the Lord raises up (to the clouds) that mans body IN Glory, to meet and see Christ the Lord Jesus.

I can not understand the written Knowledge FOR YOU.
I can not ASK GOD to give you His understanding of His Knowledge FOR YOU.

If you WANT to deny what the written word says, that is accounted to you.

If you WANT to make accusations against others who TRUST to believe the Written Word, that is accounted to you.

If you WANT to figure out in your MIND what scripture means and makes sense to you, RATHER than ask God what His Word means, that is accounted to you.

Accounted to you, you own it, not me.

 

[WPM]

IN Jesus, until bodily physical death, IS soul Saved BY God after physical death, bodily buried, saved soul risen to Heaven. Waits for 1st resurrection, to be raised up, BY God, in a glorified body.

IN Christ, spiritually crucified with Jesus’ body. Body spiritually accounted Dead. IS soul saved, IS spirit quickened, IS spiritually living IN Jesus’ risen body, IS a Saint, IS in Christ’s Church, IS waiting to be raised up, BY the Lord, in a glorified body.

A man IN Jesus, before physical death, can fall away.
A man IN Christ, can never fall away.

A hearing and seeing man who can not understanding the difference IS spiritually deaf and blind.

And your excuse for being spiritually deaf and blind….is you desperately trying to BLAME ME….saying I speak “gibberish”.

It is NOT my requirement to MAKE YOU understand.
I spoke TRUE Knowledge, according to Gods Word. I showed you the Knowledge in Gods Written Word.
The Knowledge comes FROM God and is given us VIA servants of God who WROTE with ink on paper, according to Gods spoken Word.
The Understanding of the Knowledge comes FROM God.

I trust the written words.
I showed you the written words.
I have asked God for His understanding of His written words.

You did NOT address the written words, I showed you.
You have NOT once mentioned asking God for His Understanding of His word….but then you have NOT even mentioned you READ the words IN Scripture I showed you.

You simply DEFLECT and retort with accusations AGAINST ME.

That is one EXAMPLE of Scriptural teaching of persecutions against godly men.
Remember, Gods Promise…. He shall Avenge men who come against godly men.

You say there is NO such thing or Difference of a man IN Jesus and a man IN Christ….
YET Scripture precisely reveals the Difference.

God saves and raises up (to the face of the earth) a mans dead body in Glory, at the first resurrection, who bodily dies BELIEVING IN Jesus, believing Jesus died and rose up.

Christ Jesus saves a man who is spiritually crucified with Jesus, BELIEVING IN Christ, IN Jesus, IN God believing Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
And the Lord raises up (to the clouds) that mans body IN Glory, to meet and see Christ the Lord Jesus.

I can not understand the written Knowledge FOR YOU.
I can not ASK GOD to give you His understanding of His Knowledge FOR YOU.

If you WANT to deny what the written word says, that is accounted to you.

If you WANT to make accusations against others who TRUST to believe the Written Word, that is accounted to you.

If you WANT to figure out in your MIND what scripture means and makes sense to you, RATHER than ask God what His Word means, that is accounted to you.

Accounted to you, you own it, not me.

Is there anyone who reads your long boring unbiblical posts any more? I doubt it. If they do, they deserve a medal.

 

[Taken]

Is there anyone who reads your long boring unbiblical posts any more? I doubt it. If they do, they deserve a medal.

You decide what people believe.
You then disagree with them.
You then post a long tirade of all the things you have decided an other believes….
And ask other to basically defend what you have claimed for them.

When they post their own claims….you call them names.

When they post Scriptural verifications…for their claims….you claim to not read their quoted scriptures and their words and call them names.

You are here, making claims for others, speaking for others, then disagreeing with what you say for others, ignoring what others do say for themselves and calling others names….and I suspect you think that is a model of what Christ had in mind for members of HIS CHURCH!

Your reputation precedes you.
Your fruit reveals you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No not every one IN Jesus is IN Christ…
However every one IN Christ is IN Jesus.

LOL!!!! It's a complete waste of time to refute this ridiculous nonsense that only you believe. By making this ludicrous differentiation between being in Christ and being in Jesus, it shows that you will go to any length to try to keep your false doctrine afloat.