Assuming again, eh? I don't belong to a Kingdom Hall, as I am NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
And if I'm not mistaken, the JW's believe the 144K is a literal number too.
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Are only 144,000 saved? (Rev 14:1)
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And if I'm not mistaken, the JW's believe the 144K is a literal number too.
RR
Whatever JW's believe about the Bible is HIGHLY suspect.
You might check to see if JW's believe that they are the chosen ones / gods.
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It says so, RIGHT IN THE TEXT, that all of the 144,000 are of JEWISH DECENT. They are the only Living JEWS of ISRAEL that go into the Millennial KINDGOM, and it was so GOD's way to insure that some mortal Jews would be there to repopulate ISRAEL. NO SUCH THING AS SPIRITUAL Israelites. WE WILL BE IN HEAVEN FOR THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB. Here's PROOF:
We all go as a GROUP. The Dead in Christ go first, with the rest of us that remain, following VERY CLOSELY right behind them.
Revelation 4:1-4 (HCSB)
1 After this I looked, and there in heaven was an open door {That door was opened to receive the Saints in their Glorified Bodies}. The first voice that I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” {That is the Rapture of the Saints. John had a Vision of that event.}
2 Immediately I was in the Spirit, and a throne was set there in heaven. One was seated on the throne,
3 and the One seated looked like jasper and carnelian stone. A rainbow that looked like an emerald surrounded the throne.
4 Around that throne were 24 thrones, and on the thrones sat 24 elders dressed in white clothes, with gold crowns on their heads.
NOTICE the 24 elders were SEATED on THRONES. That is the biggest clue there is to PROVE that These men already have been RAPTURED, Because without that Glorified Body, you do not have anything behind you that YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT ON. That is
Obvious !
We all go as a GROUP. The Dead in Christ go first, with the rest of us that remain, following VERY CLOSELY right behind them.
Revelation 4:1-4 (HCSB)
1 After this I looked, and there in heaven was an open door {That door was opened to receive the Saints in their Glorified Bodies}. The first voice that I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” {That is the Rapture of the Saints. John had a Vision of that event.}
2 Immediately I was in the Spirit, and a throne was set there in heaven. One was seated on the throne,
3 and the One seated looked like jasper and carnelian stone. A rainbow that looked like an emerald surrounded the throne.
4 Around that throne were 24 thrones, and on the thrones sat 24 elders dressed in white clothes, with gold crowns on their heads.
NOTICE the 24 elders were SEATED on THRONES. That is the biggest clue there is to PROVE that These men already have been RAPTURED, Because without that Glorified Body, you do not have anything behind you that YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT ON. That is
Obvious !
1. Firstly the number is NOT symbolic but an actual number. 12 x 12,000 - 144,000.
2. Secondly they are NOT under the Old Covenant (if that is what you mean by OC).
3. They are NOT the only ones saved, as is clear from Revelation 7.
4. They are definitely NOT what the JWs want them to be.
5. They are definitely NOT evangelists as many claim.
6. They are a microcosm of redeemed and restored Israel under Christ.
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It's a literal NUMBER, and I will introduce you to all 144,000, when we get back to earth. That is if you have an invite to the Wedding of the Lamb. My invite is already in my Heart.
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You are supposed to make understandable to us. It sounds very, very confusing to us. Is English your second language?
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You got that right, and they are experts at steering you around to making sound like they know what they are talking about, and make their falsehoods sound like the Truth. I would not touch anything that the JW's teach with a ten foot pole.
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What is confusing about the first bride church of Christ govenred by the apostles which were the ones whom seen jesus coming and were saved from the wrath of God which was given to the nation of israel in 70Ad with the use of the people of Rome whom commenced its firey tirad, everything went up in smoke.
The wall they say they have over there in jerusalem thst is said to be part of the temple.
I dont believe it is; so to me I believe by faith those 144,000 was the small church that was holy, and blameless, said to be pure, without spot, or blimish.
That doesnt exist today. So many differences other wise one needs to follow everthing commanded in the bible by the apostles to be saved from the coming wrath of God and the return of jesus.
No matter if people disagree with me ill always claim my belief to be jesus did not lie and the aposltes did not lie about the return to those breathing living people in that day.
Countless warnings came.
Are you understanding now?
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I assume English is your second language.
In English Grammar their should be something ahead of that From, to give us a clue to what you subject you are talking about.
the next part makes some kind of Since. You typed: the wrath of God that fell on Jerusalem in 70 AD, could be, but I doubt it. WHY? In 70 AD the ROMANS totally dismantled Every single block and wall of Ancient Jerusalem, stock piled them to build a new city called Aelia Capitolina, that stood for over 600 years. THEN early on, (approximately 125 AD, the Romans put a TEMPLE TO JUPITER directly on top of the Second Temple), the ultimate insult occurred, as they build there Pagan Temple on top of where the Jewish TEMPLE stood, on the Ophel.
Separation of sentences made it seem like you for got to type something. Then you did not explain what fruit you were talking about. Then you when way off, and I cannot understand this comment at all: just a new administration heavenly by nature established.
I am just trying to help, not criticizing. It looks like a second language that you have not mastered yet.
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