How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[ChristisGod]

What we see in Romans 6 through 8 is a progression...from an initial experience of grace that changes a person forever to a surrendered walk in the full measure of grace over sin, the devil and the world. That initial sample will seem, at first, to be the whole package....until one realizes that there is still sin in the outer man that is both active and detrimental to spiritual growth in the inner man. The life from Christ contained in the inner man is thus choked out by the outer man (where the ego resides and where the sin nature has its foundation).

In Romans 7 Paul cries out to God...he realizes that there is nothing he can do about his own condition. His outer man continues to filter out the connection to God and the deeper connection to other brothers IN Christ. Who shall rescue him? It is Christ the Lord who comes to him. The power of God crucifies his outer man thus liberating his inner man to walk in victory over sin.

Romans 8 explains the power of the law of Christ to nullify the power of sin the way the law of flight overcomes the law of gravity. So then a Spirit empowered life fulfills the law of God so that eternal fruit can be produced to the glory of God. The cost of that full measure of grace is all we have and are. We are to take our "aravon" our down-payment...and fulfill our obligations at the throne of grace to get the measure of God's fulness. The victorious walk IN Christ begins when we are crucified...dead...and made alive IN Christ.

Whether we are walking in our own power or by resurrection power we ought to do all to be at least be accepted by the Lord. So whether we are present or absent we do what is acceptable to Him....and that's where the need to learn righteousness comes in. We are to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin when we are not actually crucified dead to sin.

That is the quick short version. :)

Its not the spiritual/biblical view of Romans 7.

 

[Waiting on him]

Is it alive right now as in God is speaking directly to believers ? yes or no

Why would I need a book to speak too God?

 

[Waiting on him]

I thought this letter was written to the attendees of the church in Rome in the first century.

 

[Waiting on him]

This is assuming there ever was an old man.

 

[Waiting on him]

This is why I find both parts of the verse, "dead indeed unto sin", and, "alive unto God in Christ Jesus our Lord" to be so important. We don't merely "put off" the one, we likewise "put on" the other, putting on the new man, putting on Christ.

I see this passage giving us a step by step "How To",

2 Peter 1:5-7 KJV
5) And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6) And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7) And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

Much love!

I’ve personally known hundreds if not thousands of alleged born again believers, and the only changes I’ve seen take place is maybe a change in ego, of course after they’ve hear a few sermons.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you saying that the fish you are holding is not a photo-shopped minnow?

I am very careful to investigate...using scepticism...until God shows me what something means. Whether by visitation, vision...I'm careful to say only in what I KNOW to be true

others here use a religious speculation. But I started my walk in Zion....

God showed me things that words cannot exlain. But the bible is clear. Let's use the word.

Satan comes as an Angel of light. I do not know who spoke to you. But it was not God. God would not contradict his word. He would not tell you the things you have been told. And he certainly would not tell you to be so proud.. He resist the proud. But gives mercy to the humble..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A lot of needless smoke and mirrors there Mark. I'm asking you what you think it means. If you don't know then say so...

I know the bible speaks the truth. I don't think very many people actually know what Paul is talking about.

So how is sin removed?

He has given you what the Bible says about your question numerous times. We all have.

And here you go again with your own smoke screen

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All the trolling silliness takes away from any discussion about things that are important to both convey and understand.

So what does it mean to reckon ourselves dead to sin?

Do we have an innate power to reckon our sins away? Do we need to go to the throne of grace to receive heavenly power over sin? Or are all our sins hidden from God's view like a fresh covering of snow on a dunghill?

What say you?

Paul told us what it means.

And it was showed to you.

Romans 6:
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, [c]reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Its in the passage

How did we DIE to sin?

1. We were baptized into Jesus
2. We were baptized into his death
3. We were buried with Christ in Baptism
4. Just as CHrist was raised, we should walk in newness (because we are alive with him)
5. We were until with him in his death (his death is applied to us, we died with him)
Certainly we WILL be united with him in newness (not might)
6. Because of the above facts, we are no longer slaved to sin TO LIVE in sin
7/ Christ died to sin once for all, (see above, we died with him)
8. Death no longer has dominion over Christ.
9 Likewise (since we died with Christ) RECKON ourselves ALSO dead to sin, but ALIVE to God (based on EVERYTHING ABOVE)
Because as death had no more dominion over christ, It has no more dominion over us. The power of sin is BROKEN The power to live with Christ is OURS.

Its actually quite a simple statement to understand, all we have to do is slow down and READ what is said.

 

[Waiting on him]

Stan comes as an Angel of light. I do not know who spoke to you. But it was not God. God would not contradict his word. He would not tell you the things you have been told. And he certainly would not tell you to be so proud.. He resist the proud. But gives mercy to the humble..

In this letter to Corinth. It’s made very clear who Stan is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The question is...HOW is that accomplished?


And all Protestants follow Luther...otherwise they wouldn't be Protestant. I think that people can't be honest about what they really believe. They avoid the truth because it makes them sound...like Luther ...who is the church father of ALL Protestants.

Can you say...REFORM!!!!

Another misnomer

Lets just say once again, YOUR WRONG

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus died unto sin once...not us. Read it again...with feeling.

You read it again, the whole thing.

WE DIED WITH HIM!!!!!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

who is it about ?

Its about the prophet Epi..Its always about him

 

[Episkopos]

Another misnomer

Lets just say once again, YOUR WRONG

Hurling accusations is NOT participating in the discussion. Stay on topic. Maybe explain what it is that causes you to react?

 

[Episkopos]

You read it again, the whole thing.

WE DIED WITH HIM!!!!!!

Would that be 2,000 years ago?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hurling accusations is NOT participating in the discussion. Stay on topic. Maybe explain what it is that causes you to react?

So acting like you is not ok?

The fact still stands. I do Not follow Luther. Luther was to catholic for me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Would that be 2,000 years ago?

Did the passage say 2000? years ago?
Did I say 2000 years ago?

Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend what people say?

It tells us when.

We were BAPTIZED into him, his death, united together in his death.

It happened at the moment we were born again.

You ignore half the passage and make fun of it. Shame on you

 

[Episkopos]

Satan comes as an Angel of light. I do not know who spoke to you. But it was not God. God would not contradict his word. He would not tell you the things you have been told. And he certainly would not tell you to be so proud.. He resist the proud. But gives mercy to the humble..

Well thanks for that. But you have been so religiously indoctrinated that you will resist any kind of truth. A man-made institution benefits by getting as many as possible to fill the pews. The public can be VERY gullible when the speaker is talented and draws in the crowd with lofty sounding words. But as the bible says...they are clouds without rain...they promise much as they rake in the money...but those who take them seriously pay the price.


The ability to be indoctrinated and deceived is not better than actual time spent with God. So you are again speaking things in reverse.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well thanks for that. But you have been so religiously indoctrinated that you will resist any kind of truth. A man-made institution benefits by getting as many as possible to fill the pews. The public can be VERY gullible when the speaker is talented and draws in the crowd with lofty sounding words. But as the bible says...they are clouds without rain...they promise much as they rake in the money...but those who take them seriously pay the price.


The ability to be indoctrinated and deceived is not better than actual time spent with God. So you are again speaking things in reverse.

Another strawman

This would be you my friend

 

[Episkopos]

Did the passage say 2000? years ago?
Did I say 2000 years ago?

Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend what people say?

It tells us when.

We were BAPTIZED into him, his death, united together in his death.

It happened at the moment we were born again.

You ignore half the passage and make fun of it. Shame on you

I'm cuing on what you said earlier.

You are over-estimating what being born again accomplishes in regards to the death and resurrection of the saint. You are taking a down-payment...to be the full payment.

I suggest reading the parables of the kingdom again. The cost of entering into resurrection life ...kingdom life...is ALL.

So you only have a superficial grasp of the gospel at this point. Are you interested in remedying that?

 

[Episkopos]

Its not the spiritual/biblical view of Romans 7.

How so? Please explain. I can't find the rest of your post.