How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[amigo de christo]

“…put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.” (Romans 13:14)

I think some on this site seem to forget that message was to THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN JESUS .
always remember the all inclusive social gospel is a lie .
People seem to forget the church was writing to BELIEVERS not unbelievers .
Paul would have told them all , Actually HE DID . YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS .
So let us always remember that . For we have some here amongst us who would love to lead us astray from the one true gospel .
And it wont be happening on my watch .

 

[amigo de christo]

You do understand the premise, right? Luther said that we can sin boldly because in that scheme NO amount of our sins can quench His grace. So basically sin is no longer counted against us ...God only sees Jesus. He can't see Christian sinners. Our sins are no longer sinful because He did it ALL. He paid for ALL our sins. It is finished. He knew exactly how many sins we would commit and paid it all in advance. There is NO need to grow and improve or any such thing. No need to fear ---no need to be humble. We can boast of the snow covering that covers up all the stench of our sins. That is the genius idea that Luther had as a contribution to the Great Delusion within Christianity.

And they all said amen!

And then the judgment came.

PS. Luther wrote a letter on August 1, 1521 stating "If you are a preacher of grace, then preach a true and not a fictitious grace; if grace is true, you must bear a true and not a fictitious sin. God does not save people who are only fictitious sinners. Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly, for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are in this world we have to sin. This life is not the dwelling place of righteousness but, as Peter says, we look for a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness dwells (2 Peter 3:13). It is enough that by the riches of God’s glory we have come to know the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day (cited in Hendrix, Martin Luther, 121-122).

if luther wrote those words , HE WAS WRONG . paul never encouraged the church to sin bodly .
paul would have said , WHO YE SERVE IS WHOSE YE ARE , whether of sin unto death
or of obedaince unto RIGHTEOUSNESS . So luther was WRONG if this is what he wrote .
HE might be right on some things , but this aint one of them . THIS in fact is dangerous .
Yet the most dangerous thing is the social all inclusive lie . cause it even rejects having to BELIEVE IN CHRIST in the first place .
Repent of that . Let me deal with this luther . Luther was Dead wrong about this . no doubt about it .

 

[marks]

A lot of needless smoke and mirrors there Mark. I'm asking you what you think it means. If you don't know then say so...

I know the bible speaks the truth. I don't think very many people actually know what Paul is talking about.

So how is sin removed?

Death and resurrection, simply stated. Death to Adam's child of corruption, and birth of God's child, through being baptized into Jesus Christ.

And I'm asking as have you that we stay on topic for this discussion. Personal opinions such as these, opinion-based personal characterizations, only distract from the discussion.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't know why you would think that I think this. You've asked me a question, I've given you a reply.

But if you are going to be making this about me, or putting words into my mouth, this won't be as fruitful.


This was your question at first, and before we continue I want to ask you whether or not you agree these are the true sayings of the passages I've quoted, in what I've written of them. Do you?

Much love!

try not to forget the social gospel some of these folks do teach . That must be repented of . it must .
why would folks sit and entertain teachings from one who dont even believe ye have to beleive .
EVEN if he does get things right . IT WONT MATTER . even satan said a truth
when he said ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil . cause GOD said the same thing ,they have become as us
to know good and evil . The man needs to repent of this other gospel . TILL HE TRULY KNOWS THE ONE TRUE GOSPLE
that man is in dire danger my friend . So who cares if some of the things he says might be right ,the core of his message
dont point to the DIRE NECESSITY OF CHRIST , rather it points to men .

 

[marks]

I know the bible speaks the truth.

My question specifically was whether you agree with the interpretation of the passages as I wrote in that post.

I find it meaningful to early establish if we agree on what the Bible says, so we can work through difference views of text. If we can reach agreement whether a passage teaches this thing or that thing, we've gained, we can build on that.

I'm also always very intrigued when someone avoids a direct question, when seemingly participating in a discussion. Was it that you misunderstood my question?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

try not to forget the social gospel some of these folks do teach . That must be repented of . it must .
why would folks sit and entertain teachings from one who dont even believe ye have to beleive .
EVEN if he does get things right . IT WONT MATTER . even satan said a truth
when he said ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil . cause GOD said the same thing ,they have become as us
to know good and evil . The man needs to repent of this other gospel . TILL HE TRULY KNOWS THE ONE TRUE GOSPLE
that man is in dire danger my friend . So who cares if some of the things he says might be right ,the core of his message
dont point to the DIRE NECESSITY OF CHRIST , rather it points to men .

Most people here agree with Luther.., they are called Protestants. Because you don't understand spiritual things you are mischaracterizing what I say...because you haven't learned to actually have a conversation...just a holier than thou pontificating.

You are stuck. But you can learn something if you come away from your reactionary dogmatism.

Yet you might even pick up a little knowledge and understanding. You really have nothing to lose.

Try it

Go to the cross and learn what real grace is.

 

[Episkopos]

Death and resurrection, simply stated. Death to Adam's child of corruption, and birth of God's child, through being baptized into Jesus Christ.

And I'm asking as have you that we stay on topic for this discussion. Personal opinions such as these, opinion-based personal characterizations, only distract from the discussion.

Much love!

yeah, I thought so...

 

[Episkopos]

I think some on this site seem to forget that message was to THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN JESUS .
always remember the all inclusive social gospel is a lie .
People seem to forget the church was writing to BELIEVERS not unbelievers .
Paul would have told them all , Actually HE DID . YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS .
So let us always remember that . For we have some here amongst us who would love to lead us astray from the one true gospel .
And it wont be happening on my watch .

Stay on topic and refrain from your slanderous tirades.

 

[amigo de christo]

Most people here agree with Luther.., they are called Protestants. Because you don't understand spiritual things you are mischaracterizing what I say...because you haven't learned to actually have a conversation...just a holier than thou pontificating.

You are stuck. But you can learn something if you come away from your reactionary dogmatism.

Yet you might even pick up a little knowledge and understanding. You really have nothing to lose.

Try it

Go to the cross and learn what real grace is.

Pointing to CHRIST ALONE aint reactionary dogmatism . ITS TRUTH .
You seem to be ever learning , heck you even get some things right , but the problem is you seem to never be able to come to the truth .
JESUS never said lest ye become as great wordly scholars ye shall not inherit the KINGDOM , rather as children .
WELL this child BELIEVES HIS LORD and not men who preach another hope or another gospel .
YOu are the one picking and choosing verses to support an idea that leads mankind to try and attain righteousness without CHRIST .
IT didnt bode well for the jews . YOU GOTTA SEEK IT BY FAITH . FAITH IN HE whom GOD did send .
If you cant even believe the one true gospel , how will you be able to learn more truth . You wont .
At best you will learn some truths , but even those you will use to defend a lie . I aint your enemy .
I desire good for you . But you gotta cease from this other hope you seem to preach .
PREACH JESUS , preach the gospel .
As far as correcting the church , leave that to men who BELIEVE IN JESUS and KNOW the one true gospel .
You cant correct them , even if you do say some things right , cause always the lie is with you .
If you had even a tenth of the zeal for Christ and HIS GOSPEL as you do for your own teachings
YOU could truly have helped a whole lot of folks . But for now you are a danger only . And i do not say this to be mean
nor do i hate you . But it is true . a danger to the peoples and even to yourself . Now repent and beleive the one true gospel .

 

[marks]

yeah, I thought so...

?

 

[Episkopos]

Pointing to CHRIST ALONE aint reactionary dogmatism . ITS TRUTH .
You seem to be ever learning , heck you even get some things right , but the problem is you seem to never be able to come to the truth .
JESUS never said lest ye become as great wordly scholars ye shall not inherit the KINGDOM , rather as children .
WELL this child BELIEVES HIS LORD and not men who preach another hope or another gospel .
YOu are the one picking and choosing verses to support an idea that leads mankind to try and attain righteousness without CHRIST .
IT didnt bode well for the jews . YOU GOTTA SEEK IT BY FAITH . FAITH IN HE whom GOD did send .
If you cant even believe the one true gospel , how will you be able to learn more truth . You wont .
At best you will learn some truths , but even those you will use to defend a lie . I aint your enemy .
I desire good for you . But you gotta cease from this other hope you seem to preach .
PREACH JESUS , preach the gospel .
As far as correcting the church , leave that to men who BELIEVE IN JESUS and KNOW the one true gospel .
You can correct them , even if you do say some things right , cause always the lie is with you .
If you had even a tenth of the zeal for Christ and HIS GOSPEL as you do for your own teachings
YOU could truly have helped a whole lot of folks . But for now you are a danger only . And i do not say this to be mean
nor do i hate you . But it is true . a danger to the peoples and even to yourself . Now repent and beleive the one true gospel .

I rebuke you. Go away and learn how to behave.

Start a thread on how to pontificate and deliver diatribes..so I can ignore it. be creative.

 

[amigo de christo]

I rebuke you. Go away and learn how to behave.

very well , your blood be upon your own head . I am clean . for i did what i could to try and help you .

 

[Enoch111]

Luther said that we can sin boldly because in that scheme NO amount of our sins can quench His grace.

Luther was talking nonsense if indeed he said that. We need to keep in mind that Luther had some mistaken ideas. That statement should simply be ignored. The words of Christ to all Christians are "Go and SIN NO MORE!"

 

[Episkopos]

very well , your blood be upon your own head . I am clean . for i did what i could to try and help you .

Thanks for your religious posturing...now please go away.

 

[Episkopos]

All the trolling silliness takes away from any discussion about things that are important to both convey and understand.

So what does it mean to reckon ourselves dead to sin?

Do we have an innate power to reckon our sins away? Do we need to go to the throne of grace to receive heavenly power over sin? Or are all our sins hidden from God's view like a fresh covering of snow on a dunghill?

What say you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So what does it mean to reckon ourselves dead to sin?

The previous verses explain it…

“Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.” (Romans 6:9-10)

We die unto sin once.

We live unto God.

 

[Episkopos]

Luther was talking nonsense if indeed he said that. We need to keep in mind that Luther had some mistaken ideas. That statement should simply be ignored. The words of Christ to all Christians are "Go and SIN NO MORE!"

The question is...HOW is that accomplished?


And all Protestants follow Luther...otherwise they wouldn't be Protestant. I think that people can't be honest about what they really believe. They avoid the truth because it makes them sound...like Luther ...who is the church father of ALL Protestants.

Can you say...REFORM!!!!

 

[amigo de christo]

Luther was talking nonsense if indeed he said that. We need to keep in mind that Luther had some mistaken ideas. That statement should simply be ignored. The words of Christ to all Christians are "Go and SIN NO MORE!"

Yes indeed my friend . and Now for a reminder of some of his last words on earth .
GO ye into all the world baptizing them in the name of the Father , Son and Holy Ghost ,
teaching them to OBSERVE ALL things i have taught . which means this too , I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
no one comes to the FATHER but by me .
Those who believe and are baptized shall be saved but those who believe NOT will be damned . Now lift those hands
for we shall point to CHRIST .

 

[Episkopos]

The previous verses explain it…

“Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.” (Romans 6:9-10)

We die unto sin once.

We live unto God.

Jesus died unto sin once...not us. Read it again...with feeling.

 

[amigo de christo]

And now for my exit . LET all that has breath POINT TO CHRIST ALONE as the only Name whereby one may be saved .
GOOD night to all .