Sorry, scriptures teach otherwise. You will not find a scripture that supports your claim
Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?
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Eternally Grateful
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romans 6: 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
There is no water in this passage
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
It is the holy spirit who baptizes us into the body
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Again, No water
CadyandZoe
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If we were to examine various passages we would find that the phrase "in Christ" means two distinct ideas: 1) a child of God whom Jesus will save, and 2) those who are "immersed" in the teaching of Christ as his disciples. Typically, both of these conditions are located in a single individual.
For instance: As we see from Acts 19, those who agreed to become disciples of John the Baptist were baptized "into John", meaning, they learned from John and were immersed in John's teaching. The signal event, which indicated a student's commitment is/was water baptism. Those who wished to become one of John's disciples participated in the rite of water baptism.
Likewise, the disciple of Jesus is baptized "into Christ" and by this method one promises to live as a student of Jesus Christ, dedicated to the study and practice of his teaching.
We announce our conversion by means of water baptism, usually performed by our pastor. He baptizes us in the name of Jesus Christ. That is, our pastor is acting in Jesus name so that when he baptizes us, we become Jesus' disciples, rather than our pastor's disciples.
Nevertheless, Jesus himself baptizes us with the Holy Spirit. In this case, we are sealed and our inheritance of eternal life is guaranteed. In that manner we are "in Christ" in a more substantial and meaningful way than our having become his disciple through water baptism.
Consider Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
You are totally out to lunch. Read the account of John the Baptist in luke 3. Read the account if the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8. It's obvious that baptism is water baptism
Eternally Grateful
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No actually it is not.
If it was water, it would say baptize in christ in water. It does not
Baptize ceroms from a greek word. it is not even a native english word. it means to immerse, or place into. to overwhelm
when it says baptize in christ. Christ is what we are baptized into. not water.,
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As stated, you are out to lunch. Go dip, plunge, immerse in whatever you like. Your logic is illogical. Goodbye
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CadyandZoe
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Okay. But others have already given you good answers. The church is not something you can say, "Here it is. Or There it is." The invisible church is the true church, which only God can see: born-again believers, past, present, and future.
Marymog
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Nope, no good answers to what Jesus said OR Scripture says.
Jesus said he will build a Church. Scripture says We are to take our differences to the church. Scripture says The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
If you think that Jesus said he would build a church and then he made it invisible, YOU have to explain that. I already have explained that it is not invisible. The Church isn't the 2 billion Christians walking the earth since all 2 billion can NOT be the pillar and foundation of truth. That means there would be 2 billion different truths.
Scripture says The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the truth to be invisible. I have already shown it isn't invisible. You say it is...YOU have some explaining to do...I already have.
If you have no church to go to so you can settle your difference with your brother/sister and that decision of the church is final and one of you is to be excommunicated from that church then you have to explain that. I have already explained I have found the church spoken of in that passage.
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That is what Scripture teaches: For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
So what is the water baptism by man if not baptism into Christ? I thought there was only one baptism (Ephesians 4:5)?
CadyandZoe
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I understand. I simple don't agree with those who believe that the RCC is Christ's church. It isn't.
I don't think it is that difficult to understand. The gospel story is concerned with the redemption of people. I mean, in one sense the church is NOT invisible because Jesus told us that they will know us by our love for one another. And to that degree, the church is visible. But in another sense, we can't see into the hearts of a person, and so the church is invisible.
Jesus declares and we believe that he is the way, the truth, and the life. If you think the RCC is the truth then you have been mislead. God gave us a Bible, which contains an accurate and true record of his word, his mind, and his values. The Lord tells us that he plants folks among us to help guide us. Satan also plants false prophets among us. So our faith must be grounded in personal Bible study and prayer, and a trust that God will not abandon his children to the darkness.
I know you are referring to the RCC. The RCC has clearly and unambiguously convicted itself as a deceiver, not a church of Christ.
I don't need to settle differences between my brother or sister. I forgive them all. This is our way. Perhaps you should review the teaching of Jesus.
Amen! I hope my faith does this on a prayerful and Careful daily basis:
Which Bible?
Handling The Word Of Life!
Bible study Rules
and the OP: baptisms?
13 Bible baptisms...
and, the OFF topic of "skewing" God's Word Of Truth?:
mm: "after death we will find out who did and who didn't"? Kinda late then, eh?
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CadyandZoe
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I began my Christian walk by reading "The Good News for Modern Man" I sat down and read the NT several times straight through as if I was hungry to learn as much about my Lord as possible. Eventually I bought an NASB with wide margins so I could take notes in the margin. Each week I visited a new church, wanting to see as many believers as possible. I went to a Baptist church and a Black Pentecostal church among many others. And I loved and appreciated them all.
I didn't know what I was doing. I guess I was being led by the Holy Spirit. All I knew, at the time, is that I wanted to learn as much about Jesus and his followers as possible. I wanted to be with them all, but I knew that I needed to settle on one particular church. I decided on a local off-shoot of "The Body Life" church out of Palo Alto, which emphasized careful Bible study and a love for each other.
They will know us by our love for one another.
David in NJ
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Water baptism is outward.
It is an outward expression of the Faith that is Inside a Believer in Christ.
It cannot save anyone for it is outward.
John ch3
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.
Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Water baptism cannot Perform the Works of God whereas HOLY SPIRIT Baptism can and does.
John ch4
When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
“You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)
Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”
“Sir,” the woman replied, “You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where then will You get this living water?
Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us this well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock?”
Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again. But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.”
Acts ch1
And while they were gathered together, He commanded them: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift the Father promised, which you have heard Me discuss. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
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Nope, not putting words in your mouth. It's only logical. Being on the same page a lot means you are not always on the same page so that means you think she skews sometimes.
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Hey CadyandZoe,
There must be some facts that have led you to believe that the RCC is not The Church spoken of in Scripture. Since you KNOW that the RCC is not The Church spoken of in Scripture then you must KNOW which church is?
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Seeing into the hearts of a person has NOTHING to do with The Church being visible or invisible. That makes no sense
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Hi CZ,
At no point in no passage at any time does Scripture say that our faith must be grounded in personal bible study. It is simply not in Scripture which means you made that up.
Also, if you knew your Christian history, it wasn't until 300 years AFTER the last Apostle died that The Church finally agreed to what inspired letters were to be in the bible. So "personal Bible study" for the first 300 years would have included letters non were ultimately deemed no inspired. Your theory breaks apart based on that fact.
Also, for the first 1,500 years of Christianity bibles were not mass produced or available in all languages and the average person could not read. Another fact that destroys your theory.