Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[marks]

YOU interjected yourself into a conversation between CadyandZoe and I by asking me a question of which you already know the answer. You are a smart person. You and I have had many discussions. I believe you did this to be pestilential. I don't want to play your game Marks.

I guess no one likes being outed.

Well, I never said that the Pope properly interprets Scripture soooo don't put words in my mouth.

And yet you do believe this, don't you? That's what drew me in.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

people forget. History is written by those in charge

since the romans were in charge for many a century, you would expect history to support them

yet that is the downfall. should history, written by men, who skew histroy to support them, trump the word of God written by God and written to support only him?

You say I skew, I say you skew @marks says you and I skew. All three of us say the Mormons skew the word of God.

Which one of us is skewing the word of God? After our death we will find out.....;)

 

[marks]

@marks says you and I skew.

Now you are putting words into my mouth.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

I guess no one likes being outed.

It has nothing to do with being outed marks. YOU interjected yourself into a conversation between CadyandZoe and I by asking me a question of which you already know the answer. Just take responsibility for your words.

Plain and simple....

 

[marks]

It has nothing to do with being outed marks. YOU interjected yourself into a conversation between CadyandZoe and I by asking me a question of which you already know the answer. Just take responsibility for your words.

Plain and simple....

Yes, of course that's what I did, was there ever a question about that? Public forum and all that . . . and also as I said what my reason was.

Let's make that the focus, so no one will recognize the reason?

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

Now you are putting words into my mouth.

Much love!

Nope, I am not puting words in your mout. I already know that you do not agree with my doctrine OR @Eternally Grateful doctrine.

Sooooo I am NOT putting words in your mouth. Stop feigning being a victim.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[CadyandZoe]

it is.. But it keeps them from seeing the truth

One might ask, "why do you continue to wear those shoes?" The other will say, "These are good enough." We don't toss out our shoes until we need new ones.


People seek an alternate explanation should the one they own fail them.

The Truth is always there.

You said, " Indulgences were sold" and stated that you were surprised that I am still a Catholic because indulgences were sold by men of The Church specifically saying the "Pope sold indulgences". You NEVER said anything about it being a doctrine of The Church. You made it sound like you were only against men of The Church taking money for indulgences. So, now that you have become clearer in your argument, we can have a discussion that is on the same page.

But first: Do you know what The Church teaching is on indulgences?

Curious mary

That's my point. I don't care to know what the church teaching is because it was openly practiced.

My apologies if this is a repeat post. I don't know.

Please allow me to take another track.

Mary,
It's a matter of trust, confidence, reliability and credibility.

The Catholic Church claims to have "belief authority" over all of Christendom. What is "belief authority"? The Catholic Church takes to itself the right and power to dictate and enforce both belief and practice.

Consider the The Anathemas of the 2nd Council of Constantinople. To say that someone is "anathema" is to strongly suggest that such a person is damned and going to hell.

In my view, I think it presumptuous that a group of people who claim to be followers of Christ would convene such a council and declare that a bunch of people are going to hell.

But anyway, there it is.

It's a question of credibility. In light of issues like the granting of indulgences and the existence of pedophelia one can certainly doubt the credibility of the Catholic church as the arbiter of who is or is not anathema. The clergy are compromised and the entire system is filled with corruption and false teaching.

Such things as Pedophilia would never be found or sanctioned among a body of men who have genuine moral authority.

Doesn't that seem more than a bit odd to you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now you are putting words into my mouth.

Much love!

lol.. Just like in another thread. We do not use history to claim that we are the one church, we use the word of God. So she is right in one area. we will find out when we die.. I would rather trust the word. then history written by men.

 

[marks]

Nope, I am not puting words in your mout.

@marks says you and I skew.

No I don't. These are your words put into my mouth.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

Yes, of course that's what I did, was there ever a question about that? Public forum and all that . . . and also as I said what my reason was.

Let's make that the focus, so no one will recognize the reason?

Much love!

Thank you for taking responsibility for your words. Still not going to play your games

 

[Marymog]

No I don't. These are your words put into my mouth.

Much love!

OK Marks....You have accused me of putting words in your mouth. Does that mean you DO agree with my doctrine? Do you agree with @Eternally Grateful doctrine?

Curious Mary

 

[marks]

Nope, I am not puting words in your mout. I already know that you do not agree with my doctrine OR @Eternally Grateful doctrine.

Sooooo I am NOT putting words in your mouth. Stop feigning being a victim.

Keeping it real....Mary

I'm curious . . . what do I say that EG has skewed? Where have I said that, or something meaning the same?

Much love!

 

[CadyandZoe]

No where at no point does Scripture EVER say that we are individually is responsible to read and study the Bible ourselves and that we should NEVER take anyone's word for it. Scripture says OPPOSITE of what your men have taught you.

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. There are some things in Scripture that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. Watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that has been taught.

What is the difference between my men and your men? Sinners all. But as I said, your men sanctioned and condoned sex between priests and children. As I say, we are all sinners. But even you should know that such men should have been excommunicated and "fired" [whatever that looks like in the priesthood] but they were moved to a new parish and allowed to continue. At the least, one should question the judgment and integrity of the Catholic church and call into question any claim to be a representative of Christ.

 

[Marymog]

The Catholic Church claims to have "belief authority" over all of Christendom. What is "belief authority"? The Catholic Church takes to itself the right and power to dictate and enforce both belief and practice.

Consider the The Anathemas of the 2nd Council of Constantinople. To say that someone is "anathema" is to strongly suggest that such a person is damned and going to hell.

In my view, I think it presumptuous that a group of people who claim to be followers of Christ would convene such a council and declare that a bunch of people are going to hell.

What church is THE church spoken of in Matthew 18:17?

 

[Marymog]

What is the difference between my men and your men? Sinners all. But as I said, your men sanctioned and condoned sex between priests and children. As I say, we are all sinners. But even you should know that such men should have been excommunicated and "fired" [whatever that looks like in the priesthood] but they were moved to a new parish and allowed to continue. At the least, one should question the judgment and integrity of the Catholic church and call into question any claim to be a representative of Christ.

Once again you are talking about the sins of men.....not Church doctrine. Church doctrine does NOT support sex between priests and children.

 

[Marymog]

I'm curious . . . what do I say that EG has skewed? Where have I said that, or something meaning the same?

Much love!

Not playing your game marks.

Do you agree with Eternally Gratefuls doctrine?

 

[CadyandZoe]

What church is THE church spoken of in Matthew 18:17?

It isn't the Catholic Church Mary. Don't confuse the deification of the institution with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

 

[marks]

Do you agree with @Eternally Grateful doctrine?

Curious Mary

We seem to be on the same page a lot . . . to be honest I couldn't say, I'm not overly familiar with EG's doctrine, so maybe there are things we think differently about. But as far as I'm aware, yes, we agree on things.

But that's kind of beside the point. You said that I say EG skews the Bible, and I don't say that, so in fact you were putting words in my mouth.

Much love!

 

[DJT_47]

op: does HS Baptism replace water?

No, water had it's place in the Previous Dispensation Of The Law, "FOR the remission of sin,"
Today's Dispensation Being That Of The Pure Grace Of God (Apart From ALL "works, Including
water baptism").

There is Only One (Ephesians 4:5) Baptism, in This Current Dispensation = "By The Holy Spirit Of God!" (1 Corinthians 12:13) - see 13 Bible baptisms to get the whole picture...
(or, a Summary of THREE baptisms)

OFF-topic? interpreting God's Word Of Truth? Did not God Give His people This?:

"For God Hath not Given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love,
and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1:7)

Thus, my interpretations Are None of any religion's business, But God's Business,
Between HIM And me (giving my account Only To HIM), Correct? And, Please:

Be Very RICHLY Blessed, Enriched, Encouraged And Edified In The Whole Picture Of
God's Word Of Truth!:

Handling The Word Of Life
+
Bible study Rules

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!

Water immersion, baptism for the remission of sins, had nothing whatsoever to do with the law and is the means of not only remitting sins, but adding you to the Lord's body which is the church. This is clearly spelled out in the NT writings. And as a side note, part of your ending comments said "in Christ". How do you think one gets "in Christ"? It's by water baptism! We're (maybe not you) baptised into Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Water immersion, baptism for the remission of sins, had nothing whatsoever to do with the law and is the means of not only remitting sins, but adding you to the Lord's body which is the church. This is clearly spelled out in the NT writings. And as a side note, part of your ending comments said "in Christ". How do you think one gets "in Christ"? It's by water baptism! We're (maybe not you) baptised into Christ.

No this is not true

we get in christ by being Baptized INTO CHRIST

Only God can baptize us into christ, it it does not happen by a man baptizing us in water. That is a totally different baptism.