Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[Marymog]

Does he? Or no?

Much love!

If you knew your own Christian history you would know the answer. ;)

 

[Marymog]

Except she's not differentiating. Are we talking about learning our pastor took home some of the copy paper? Or that he's luring young girls?

Shall we say, Don't reject the child molester, after all, the other guy is stealing copy paper?

Much love!

One of the Ten Commandments, Thou shalt not steal, is not as bad of a sin or punishable by eternal hell fire as thou shalt not lure young girls?

Hmmmm.....where does Scripture say that God differentiates sin?

Curious Mary!

 

[marks]

If you knew your own Christian history you would know the answer. ;)

I'm more curious why you are reluctant to say the answer.

Much love!

 

[marks]

One of the Ten Commandments, Thou shalt not steal, is not as bad of a sin or punishable by eternal hell fire as thou shalt not lure young girls?

Hmmmm.....where does Scripture say that God differentiates sin?

Curious Mary!

That's not what we were talking about. It was about "when to leave a church due to sin in it's leadership". And you seemed to be treating all sin as the same in that regard. That considering all men sin, that we shouldn't leave a church because the leaders sin. I'm pointing out that it could be stealing copy paper, or it could be preying on the children.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm more curious why you are reluctant to say the answer.

Much love!

did she say something to you about differentiating sin?

Is it not her church that calls some sins venial and some sins mortal?

 

[marks]

did she say something to you about differentiating sin?

Is it not her church that calls some sins venial and some sins mortal?

@Marymog ?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Well, I never said that the Pope properly interprets Scripture soooo don't put words in my mouth.

Since YOU can properly interpret Scripture all 2 billion Christians in the world should listen to YOU and then Paul's plea in 1 Corinthians will be answered:

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment as CadyandZoe.

I appreciate it when people DO listen to me but it is a rare occasion. But I NEVER speak Ex Cathedra. :)

We must all, individually, stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For this reason, each of us, individually is responsible to read and study the Bible ourselves. We should NEVER take anyone's word for it.

If, for instance, a Pope should say that a Muslim person can be saved without giving up his or her religion, then that Pope will be held accountable for teaching false doctrine. Even so, the Muslim Person should not take anyone's word for what the Bible says. He or she is responsible to it alone.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Hmmm......So let's put your logic into practice.

I leave The Church because some of the men with authority in The Church sinned.

No. We don't leave because leaders commit sins. We are all sinners. We leave a church that teaches false doctrine and those who attend allow the false doctrine to continue.

Self, you don't need to be under the authority of sinful men. Stop going those churches, sit at home and read/interpret the bible on your own. After all, who needs sinful men of a church to have authority over you? Just throw out those parts of Scripture (Hebrews 13:17) you don't like and all is good!! After all, I am not a sinner.

Practice wisdom and discernment.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Marymog ?

yes, I have her on ignore. But I opened her post since you were responding to her

 

[Marymog]

I'm more curious why you are reluctant to say the answer.
Much love!

Lol.... I'm curious to know why you don't know your own Christian history????????????

Let me help you out: What is the magisterium of the Catholic Church?

We first see this magisterium put into practice at the Council of Jerusalem. For you see marks, the apostles had the power to bind and loose (Matt. 15:15-18). And only one apostle, Peter, had “the keys of the kingdom of heaven,” illustrating his primacy re: teaching and governing in leading the Church (Matthew 16:18-19). We also see the teaching authority of Peter and the apostles affirmed in the Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20) and in Acts 2:42.

So, Marks, do tell: What men of The Church have authority over you (Hebrews 13:17) that were made overseers by the Holy Spirit (Acts 20:28) and rule well over you (1 Timothy 5:17)?

I can name those men. Can you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

people forget. History is written by those in charge

since the romans were in charge for many a century, you would expect history to support them

yet that is the downfall. should history, written by men, who skew histroy to support them, trump the word of God written by God and written to support only him?

 

[marks]

Lol.... I'm curious to know why you don't know your own Christian history????????????

Let me help you out: What is the magisterium of the Catholic Church?

We first see this magisterium put into practice at the Council of Jerusalem. For you see marks, the apostles had the power to bind and loose (Matt. 15:15-18). And only one apostle, Peter, had “the keys of the kingdom of heaven,” illustrating his primacy re: teaching and governing in leading the Church (Matthew 16:18-19). We also see the teaching authority of Peter and the apostles affirmed in the Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20) and in Acts 2:42.

So, Marks, do tell: What men of The Church have authority over you (Hebrews 13:17) that were made overseers by the Holy Spirit (Acts 20:28) and rule well over you (1 Timothy 5:17)?

I can name those men. Can you?

You are putting a lot of energy into avoiding this simple admission.

OK, I get it . . . you're going to obfuscate. There was a reason you didn't want to say in the first place, and you still apparently don't want to say, even when asked directly.

Much love!

 

[marks]

people forget. History is written by those in charge

since the romans were in charge for many a century, you would expect history to support them

yet that is the downfall. should history, written by men, who skew histroy to support them, trump the word of God written by God and written to support only him?

That's not even the point, it's a deflection.

Much love!

 

[marks]

yes, I have her on ignore. But I opened her post since you were responding to her

I intended this an invite for her to chime in.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's not even the point, it's a deflection.

Much love!

it is.. But it keeps them from seeing the truth

 

[Marymog]

No. We don't leave because leaders commit sins. We are all sinners. We leave a church that teaches false doctrine and those who attend allow the false doctrine to continue.

You said, " Indulgences were sold" and stated that you were surprised that I am still a Catholic because indulgences were sold by men of The Church specifically saying the "Pope sold indulgences". You NEVER said anything about it being a doctrine of The Church. You made it sound like you were only against men of The Church taking money for indulgences. So, now that you have become clearer in your argument, we can have a discussion that is on the same page.

But first: Do you know what The Church teaching is on indulgences?

Curious mary

 

[Marymog]

You are putting a lot of energy into avoiding this simple admission.

OK, I get it . . . you're going to obfuscate. There was a reason you didn't want to say in the first place, and you still apparently don't want to say, even when asked directly.

Much love!

YOU interjected yourself into a conversation between CadyandZoe and I by asking me a question of which you already know the answer. You are a smart person. You and I have had many discussions. I believe you did this to be pestilential. I don't want to play your game Marks.

 

[Marymog]

For this reason, each of us, individually is responsible to read and study the Bible ourselves. We should NEVER take anyone's word for it.

No where at no point does Scripture EVER say that we are individually is responsible to read and study the Bible ourselves and that we should NEVER take anyone's word for it. Scripture says OPPOSITE of what your men have taught you.

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. There are some things in Scripture that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. Watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that has been taught.

 

[360watt]

You'll find that spiritual baptism you're discussing only occurred as recorded in Acts 2 and 10 wherein the spirit fell on people unilaterally without the laying on of the apostle's hands and for specific purposes: as signs to others, followed by a miraculous gift of the Spirit such as tongues. This doesn't happen today as there are no longer apostles by which the manifestation of spiritual gifts can be administered, nor is there any further need for miraculous gifts today, those cited in 1 Cor 12:8-10.

Well I actually agree with you on something!

I also believe the miraculous gifts have passed.

 

[Marymog]

did she say something to you about differentiating sin?

Is it not her church that calls some sins venial and some sins mortal?

Yup, The Church does teach that EG.

The context of the discussion is differentiating between stealing VS luring young girls. Stealing is clearly a mortal sin.

Do you or @marks think that "luring young girls" is not a mortal (punishable by eternal hell fire) sin?

Curious Mary