Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[Charlie24]

I’m not asking you to believe in UR. Im wondering if you might be demanding some perfection in understanding from your brother that even YOU don’t possess.

I also think you should be more careful with your judgement of unbelievers since we were told not to judge those outside and also to not judge anything before the time. So I think you’re reaching above your station.

If your daughter wanted to spend the night with a friend and you had heard from other parents that this girl was a drug user, would you be judging that girl by not allowing your daughter to go with her, or would you be using common sense?

I think I'm using common sense!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

If your daughter wanted to spend the night with a friend and you had heard from other parents that this girl was a drug user, would you be judging that girl by not allowing your daughter to go with her, or would you be using common sense?

I think I'm using common sense!

Mmm…knowing human nature as I do, with all the jealousy and manufactured gossip…I think what I might do in your hypothetical is tell the daughter, sure, but you have to have the sleepover here, not there.

That is common sense to me. And it also keeps me safe from making a judgement that could be based on (for all I know) gossip based on some jealousy or another.
And I could keep an eye on them both and see if either or both were drunk or stoned at any point of the evening, then I would know if there was a problem I needed to address or not.

I’d probably do the same if the other parents claimed the girl was a witch too…

 

[Charlie24]

Mmm…knowing human nature as I do, with all the jealousy and manufactured gossip…I think what I might do in your hypothetical is tell the daughter, sure, but you have to have the sleepover here, not there.

That is common sense to me. And it also keeps me safe from making a judgement that could be based on (for all I know) gossip based on some jealousy or another.
And I could keep an eye on them both and see if either or both were drunk or stoned at any point of the evening, then I would know if there was a problem I needed to address or not.

So is that the Biblical judgement we are warned about in Scripture? You plainly did not let your daughter go, you have definitely made a judgment.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So is that the Biblical judgement we are warned about in Scripture? You plainly did not let your daughter go, you have definitely made a judgment.

What judgement have I made on the girl…?

 

[Charlie24]

What judgement have I made on the girl…?

By refusing to let your daughter go, you made a judgment on that girl proving you don't trust her. And neither would I!

The point I'm making is that the judgment spoken of in Scripture that we are to have no part in refers to ascribing motives to others.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

By refusing to let your daughter go, you made a judgment on that girl proving you don't trust her. And neither would I!

The point I'm making is that the judgment spoken of in Scripture that we are to have no part in refers to ascribing motives to others.

So…you’re saying to not blindly trust people, (because I know human nature), is to judge them? Caution now means passing judgement? I fully disagree about that.

 

[Charlie24]

So…you’re saying to not blindly trust people, (because I know human nature), is to judge them? Caution now means passing judgement? I fully disagree about that.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying it is not judging to see a drunkard as a drunkard, or a thief as a thief, or a dug user as a drug user, etc.

I'm saying that judging the motives of a person is what Christ was speaking of. Only He knows the true motives of a person.

 

[quietthinker]

And how is my premise wanting when not a single soul in the UR can prove anything they say?

And how is my premise wanting when not a single soul in the UR can prove anything they say?

The lake of fire is not God's doing because it's not his nature. Jesus demonstrated God's nature.

 

[Charlie24]

The lake of fire is not God's doing because it's not his nature. Jesus demonstrated God's nature.

The Scripture says that God created Hell, which is temporary and will be cast into the Lake of Fire, for Satan and his angels.

The Scripture also implies it is for all unbelievers. and plainly states at the judgment all of them will be cast into it.

 

[Jim B]

Perhaps you overlooked what I wrote in the OP? (opening post) Quoted below.

This topic is not anti-Bible. The topic is addressing those who have made a god out of a book.
Also known as idolatry.

I don't know anyone who worships a book. KJVOs come close though.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying it is not judging to see a drunkard as a drunkard, or a thief as a thief, or a dug user as a drug user, etc.

I'm saying that judging the motives of a person is what Christ was speaking of. Only He knows the true motives of a person.

You know…we were oddly having that same discussion elsewhere recently and I’m not sure I agree that I can’t ever see someone’s motive. But we didn’t go into all that much depth about it, I guess no one was overly much interested in the convo.

Example, I can sometimes see in my two nieces when one of them has jealousy. So…I don’t know, is jealousy a motive? Ive thought so.

I can also see it in my two dogs sometimes! If I’m giving some attention to one of them the other gets jealous.

 

[Charlie24]

You know…we were oddly having that same discussion elsewhere recently and I’m not sure I agree that I can’t ever see someone’s motive. But we didn’t go into all that much depth about it, I guess no one was overly much interested in the convo.

Example, I can sometimes see in my two nieces when one of them has jealousy. So…I don’t know, is jealousy a motive? Ive thought so.

I can also see it in my two dogs sometimes! If I’m giving some attention to one of them the other gets jealous.

I suppose you would have to reason that for yourself.

One good example of judging another is when Job's 3 friends judged him by what God allowed to happen.

They claimed that Job was a hypocrite with God, he got what he deserved, etc, etc.

But they had no idea of what God was doing in the life of Job.

This is exactly what Christ was speaking of when he said not to judge.

 

[amigo de christo]

If your daughter wanted to spend the night with a friend and you had heard from other parents that this girl was a drug user, would you be judging that girl by not allowing your daughter to go with her, or would you be using common sense?

I think I'm using common sense!

Charlie , also remember what paul wrote concering a heritic who believes not .
After the first or the second time you warn them they still reject , REJECT THEM .
WE aint the ones condeming the unbelivers by telling them they MUST BELIEVE
they CONDEMN themselves when they reject the truth . Dont let the all inclusive gen fool us one bit .
WE are to speak of the glorious gospel . THE ONLY GOSPEL that indeed can save a soul . BELIEVE YE IN JESUS .
And if they reject , ITS ON THEM they will be damned . JESUS said so and so did paul and others.
PAUL loved the peoples more than most . ITS WHY he warned them to BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
And when they rejected , HE shook the dust off as a testimony against them and often times
even told them YOUR BLOOD is on your own head . Dont let them fool us into accepting
this other go spell which leadeth only to hell and death and the second death .

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't know anyone who worships a book. KJVOs come close though.

Hey jim , since you seem to be ever learning and etc , i have a rather serious question for you .
I was wondering if you knew where i could pick up my white priviledge card .
I mean the news is constantly , as well as the social gospel , that white men are priviledged and have all
these rights and etc . YET I am white , and i dont seem to be any better off than any other race .
SO where do you suppose i can go pick up my white priviledge card . I mean if i am gonna be accused
of this generation of white priviledge , I may as well have it .
PS , I DONT care about priviledge or etc . I JUST wrote it so perhaps you might see WE GETTING DUPED BY A LIE
in order to get THEIR NEW SYSTEM IN . WHICH , wont benefit whites , Blacks , or any people but rather THE ELITES .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Talk about not following the conversation…

 

[amigo de christo]

Talk about not following the conversation…

just a simple question was all . Perhaps you know where i can get such a card . Not that it exists of course .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Nope. In fact, I have no idea what in tarnation you’re even saying, as usual, since it has absolutely nothing, as usual, to do with what was Being discussed.
One could be discussing how to fry an egg in here and you would begin talking about rainbows and bigfoot!

 

[marks]

I have encountered some that I thought had fallen into this trap.

I asked them, "What would become of your faith if you put your whole library out on the curb on trash day?"
The guilty are left mostly speechless. Or, alternatively VERY angry. How come?

I don't think I've met anyone who worships their Bible, or at least gives that impression.

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

The Scripture says that God created Hell, which is temporary and will be cast into the Lake of Fire, for Satan and his angels.

The Scripture also implies it is for all unbelievers. and plainly states at the judgment all of them will be cast into it.

Is God schizophrenic? ....in that he makes lakes of fire to destroy and simultaneously says he loves to the point of giving his life?

 

[Charlie24]

Is God schizophrenic? ....in that he makes lakes of fire to destroy and simultaneously says he loves to the point of giving his life?

Today Christ wants to be your Saviour, or tomorrow He will be your Judge!

You know as well as I what He said about Hell and the Lake of Fire, if you want ignore that, it's between you and Him.

Don't drag me into it.