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Eternally Grateful

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What I said was...I mock people that mock God. So if you mock God....then I will mock you.

Notice what God says..

"He that sits in the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, And vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion." Ps. 2
here is the problem.

You believe if a person disagrees with you they mock God. It does not matter what they believe as long as they believe as you do. You have been this way since I first met you in Christian chat..

so in reality. you are no different than those who do not agree with you. Thinking you mock God.

so do 2 wrongs make a right? does that not make you a hypocrite?

should the person who is calling people who who she thinks is not loving you and looki8ng for unity not call you out also?
 
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The truth is being abused. I speak the truth...and then I get attacked for it...because the flesh gets uncomfortable around the Spirit of truth.

It is between the Spirit and the flesh....and you are speaking by the power of the flesh..which you neither perceive nor care to understand.
You speak YOUR TRUTH.

Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are attacking you for it. But in your view. they are.

Your not looking for unity. your here to preach to everyone. not learn yourself.. Pride works that way..

God said he will resist the proud.. When will you humble yourself?
 
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you need to start reading the way you talk to people.

you can't look down on someone who talks to you the same way you talk to others.. Again, Practice what you preach
"Rules for thee and not for me", is I think how it goes. "Always hold your opponent to standards that you yourself don't keep". Don't let yourself be provoked.

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here is the problem.

You believe if a person disagrees with you they mock God. It does not matter what they believe as long as they believe as you do. You have been this way since I first met you in Christian chat..
Are you sure this is what another believes? Some people just act that way.

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marks

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you need to start reading the way you talk to people.

you can't look down on someone who talks to you the same way you talk to others.. Again, Practice what you preach
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Hear people when they talk, and they will show you who they are.

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I don't know if it was wrath or judgment/chastisement that came upon the Israelites...but notice that the faithful few were spared.

You are trying to make a minor point obscure a major point. That's your religious flesh at work...It's like you getting arrested for shoplifting then pointing out how pretty a dress is. Wrath is wrath...and that's more important to understand in order to avoid it than in the factoid that some are gonna be just great.
There is another way of looking at that part of the story.....that flesh cannot enter the kingdom and so the Israelites had to die to their flesh nature before they could enter (depicted by their children entering)....becoming as a little child in order to enter.
The flesh hides behind religion. When I try pointing that out...to help you....you turn on me like all the other flesh possessed crazies that follow me around. :rolleyes:

Oh yes we certainly are to be concerned with it if we have any love and concern for those who are lost!

You are doing it again. You judge unbelievers in order to make yourself appear righteous. Then you point in another direction to say we need to save the poor souls. Quit dissimulating. You will NEVER get away with that with me. I see through your religious charades...and you think I must be doing it out of hatred....hatred for the flesh maybe.
Well many call themselves Christians. Strictly speaking it is Mystery Babylon and her followers that experiences the wrath, first the Jewish (70 AD) then the mostly Gentile manifestation of it in future when the beast turns on her. The faithful remnant of TRUE Christians will be spared (Jew & Gentile).
The point is to NOT be among the hypocrites who will be rejected. Of course a remnant will be saved. Do you see how you deflect away the hard truth in order to give your flesh a way out?

Don't let your flesh rule over you. Don't let your religious sensibilities imprison you. Be free. Have faith, be courageous and denounce your flesh. Then you won't need me to do it for you.
 
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"He that sits in the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, And vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion." Ps. 2

here is the problem.

You believe if a person disagrees with you they mock God. It does not matter what they believe as long as they believe as you do. You have been this way since I first met you in Christian chat..

so in reality. you are no different than those who do not agree with you. Thinking you mock God.

so do 2 wrongs make a right? does that not make you a hypocrite?

should the person who is calling people who who she thinks is not loving you and looki8ng for unity not call you out also?
Now observe carefully, his "talmid " is doing most of the talking, in his behalf.
 
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It’s like…the detective has left the interrogation room and the two knuckleheads are trying to get their story straight. Okay, thus and thus. Mmm….no, don’t say that, I feel it puts me in a bad light. Oh, okay, let’s say this instead! :jest:
Meanwhile, the speaker is on and every word can be heard…
 

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I don't know if it was wrath or judgment/chastisement that came upon the Israelites...but notice that the faithful few were spared. There is another way of looking at that part of the story.....that flesh cannot enter the kingdom and so the Israelites had to die to their flesh nature before they could enter (depicted by their children entering)....becoming as a little child in order to enter.
Weird thing is the Joshua and the others entered and even built temples and synagogues yet The epistles say the patriarchs never received the promise?
 
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marks

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See, here in this comment you make yourself Jesus and them/us legion. You have to admit that’s pretty arrogant?
Pehaps, but we don't actually know someone's heart. I know, there are some here who are convinced that they do, but no one can see into another's heart, it's just the way it is.

Maybe that person believes they are truly above others, and maybe that person speaks for effect, but this is why Jesus is the One to judge us. Not even we ourselves know our own hearts as well as He does!

This why we need to be careful to be honest with ourselves about our actions and words, and even how we think of others, knowing the fear of the Lord, that He just may disapprove of things we feel perfectly OK with doing. Often times, how we speak to others.

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Weird thing is the Joshua and the others entered and even built temples and synagogues yet The epistles say the patriarchs never received the promise?
It’s the difference between entering the temporal promised land and the temporal temple made with hands versus…entering into what the temporal SPEAKS of.
 
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Pehaps, but we don't actually know someone's heart. I know, there are some here who are convinced that they do, but no one can see into another's heart, it's just the way it is.

Maybe that person believes they are truly above others, and maybe that person speaks for affect, but this is why Jesus is the One to judge us. Not even we ourselves know our own hearts as well as He does!

This why we need to be careful to be honest with ourselves about our actions and words, and even how we think of others, knowing the fear of the Lord, that He just may disapprove of things we feel perfectly OK with doing. Often times, how we speak to others.

Much love!
This is good Mark. It's best to leave judgment to God. And so often we may be going directly against the Lord's will and heart by not being willing to be corrected.

it's funny that we will pray to God for instruction and understanding..and when it comes, we don't like the vessel that God chose to bring it in...
 
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The epistles say the patriarchs never received the promise?
No contradiction

The patriarchs died looking by faith at the distant horizon, looking forward to the day when their heavenly promises would go from faith to sight. Dear believer, you need consider the lives of these great patriarchs "so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises." (Heb 6:12+)

Note that beginning in Hebrews 11:13 and going through verse 16 the writer takes a break and instead of giving examples of saints who expressed faith, he comments on the nature of the faith that he has been illustrating in this individuals. Notice that one could go from Hebrews 11:12 to Hebrews 11:17 without skipping a beat.

As Swindoll says "At this point, the writer of Hebrews sets aside the palette of paints he had been using to fill his canvas with examples of faith. He steps back, as it were, gestures at the procession of personalities he’s been painting, and makes a sweeping statement: “All these,” he says, “died in faith, without receiving the promises”. Wait . . . didn’t Abraham make it to the Promised Land? Didn’t Sarah have her promised child, Isaac? Yes, but what they experienced in this life was merely a foretaste, a shadow of things to come. Abraham didn’t receive the full promise, just a down payment. Abraham and Sarah had only one child—the promise was for descendants “innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore” (11:12). The land in which he sojourned was indeed the Promised Land, but he, Sarah, Isaac, and all their household lived there as “strangers and exiles on the earth” (11:13; cf. 1 Pet. 2:11). (Swindoll's Living Insights New Testament Commentary – Hebrews)

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Pehaps, but we don't actually know someone's heart. I know, there are some here who are convinced that they do, but no one can see into another's heart, it's just the way it is.

Maybe that person believes they are truly above others, and maybe that person speaks for affect, but this is why Jesus is the One to judge us. Not even we ourselves know our own hearts as well as He does!

This why we need to be careful to be honest with ourselves about our actions and words, and even how we think of others, knowing the fear of the Lord, that He just may disapprove of things we feel perfectly OK with doing. Often times, how we speak to others.

Much love!
Oops double post. See above...
 

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We can’t know exactly what heart motivation someone else has. We can get that wrong. Like, REALLY wrong. But, we can know - discern - what sort of spirit they are speaking in. I struggled with that last night in rockytopva’s thread.
 
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The inner man is weak and trapped (imprisoned) within the carnal outer man. Religion just puffs him up. But Jesus came to set us free..by crucifying the outer man and empowering the inner man to walk as Jesus walked.
Romans 6:3-11 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

There is a new reality for those who are baptized into Christ. But if we don't believe it, we don't walk in it. Though you say that the Christian must crucify the outer man, this passage teaches that if we've been baptized into Christ, that we've been crucified with Him. This means we are even now free from sin.

Do you believe this is true?

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It is not possible, (and even simple observation will show it), that “baptized into His death” means your flesh is dead. It is NOT dead and it still wars against the Spirit in you to hinder Gods work in your heart and mind.
 
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