What is the one true Church?

[mailmandan]

Its amazing

Jesus said whoever ate in John 6 will never hunger, never thirst, Never die, live forever. Be raised on the last day and has eternal life.

He also called it the food which ENDURED to eternal life.

He also told them it is not like the manna, which they ate daily and still died.

yet the roman church weekly eats this so called food that jesus said one who ate it would live forever.

In their own sacrament, they call Jesus a liar..

Jesus is the Bread of Life and just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers.

John 6:35 - "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." Jesus used figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

The literal interpretation of eating flesh and literally drinking blood is absurd and results in cannibalism. By faith we partake of Christ, and the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and shed blood, receiving eternal life. Eating and drinking here is not literally with the mouth and the digestive organs, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes it clear below:

John 6:40 - Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:54 - Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
John 6:58 - He who eats this bread will live forever.

"He who believes" in Christ is equivalent to "he who eats this bread and drinks My blood" as the result is the same, eternal life.

John 6 does not support to the Roman Catholic doctrine of 'transubstantiation.' On the contrary, it's on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat and drink of Him when we believe in Him unto salvation.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well I don't think their intentionally calling Jesus a liar. But they have a history of bible interpretation that can be extreme. Some of it good, others goes too far.

Now we know that it is Jesus real body and blood that will save us. But John 6 makes it clear that he will connect with us thru the quickening spirit to perform this miracle. Which is perhaps the greatest miracle of all, next to God's existence.

I say that, because jesus said whoever eats will never die

they claim that is not true. we must eat often. and even then, we are not promised we will never die..

 

[Raccoon1010]

I say that, because jesus said whoever eats will never die

they claim that is not true. we must eat often. and even then, we are not promised we will never die..

Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Well, it was pleasant for me to read John chapter 6 as it answered some question as to the nature of the bread and wine. And it's nice to know that Jesus rose to heaven to bring us the comforter which is the Holy Spirit. I think at any time he can give us the eternal life probably. We already have the Holy Ghost with us.

 

[Pearl]

the churches in acts met in peoples homes.. it is said many of them met and broke bread almost daily..

That's how the church I belong to got started - in homes.

 

[Behold]

More now, about the "cult of Mary"..

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At one point in time........in the past, there were 3 Popes at one time...., all saying the other was the "Anti-Christ".

= Western Schism, also called Great Schism or Great Western Schism, in the history of the Roman Catholic Church, the period from 1378 to 1417, when there were two, and later three, RIVAL POPES, each with his own following, his own Sacred College of Cardinals, and his own administrative offices.

Also....

"""Gnosticism""..."Gnostics"........ they dont believe that Christ on the Cross was necessary, as they dont believe sin exists..

Who is the "Father of Gnosticism"??? = His name is Valentinus.. He lived in Rome.......and He almost became a Pope .

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Next.... lets look at the CATHOLIC Encyclopedia..

""""""Regeneration is a Biblico-dogmatic term closely connected with the ideas of justification, Divine sonship, and the deification of the soul through grace. Confining ourselves first to the Biblical use of this term, we find regeneration from God used in indissoluble connection with WATER baptism, which St. Paul expressly calls "the laver of regeneration" . In His discourse with Nicodemus , the Saviour declares: "Unless a man be born again of WATER.... """"""



Catholic Doctrine...

""""" WATER Baptism is defined as the “Sacrament of regeneration by WATER in the word” (Catechism of the Catholic Church 1213). The specific grace given by WATER Baptism produces a regeneration, a rebirth, within the one WATER baptized."""

Augustine​

“By this grace WATER baptized infants too are ingrafted into his [Christ’s] body, infants who certainly are not yet able to imitate anyone. ""

Jerome​

“This much you must know, that WATER baptism forgives past sins"""

Ambrose​

“The Lord was WATER baptized, not to be cleansed himself but to cleanse the waters, so that those WATERS, cleansed by the flesh of Christ which knew no sin, might have the power of water baptism."""

Tertullian​

“A treatise on our sacrament of WATER, by which the sins of our earlier blindness are washed away and we are released for eternal life will not be superfluous…. Taking away death by the washing away of sins. The guilt being removed, the penalty, of course, is also removed…. Water Baptism itself is a corporal act by which we are plunged into the WATER , while its effect is spiritual, in that we are freed from our sins”

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[Eternally Grateful]

That's how the church I belong to got started - in homes.

the one I am currently in started as a college group. meeting in the dorms. which grew and grew..

 

[Ziggy]

How the Satanic Black Mass Proves the Truth of Catholicism​

There have been a number of stories in the news lately of small Satanic groups publicly performing so-called “Black Masses.”

These rituals are based on the Catholic mass but are inverted toward Satan and often involve the desecration of a Eucharistic host.

This sort of thing is evil and should not be taken lightly. It’s also occurred to me, though, how these Black Masses offer a powerful argument for the truth of Catholicism.

[See also: Why Satan Is So Scared of St. John Paul II, According to Rome’s Chief Exorcist]

[See also: A Priest’s Warning Against the Devil’s 10 Deadliest Tricks]

The Eucharist is either Jesus or Evil​

The Eucharist is either Jesus or mere bread and wine.

If the Eucharist is Jesus, everyone should be at Mass, worshipping Our Lord. If the Eucharist is Jesus, there should be no such thing as Protestantism, Mormonism, Islam, atheism, etc. But if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then for two thousand years, the would-be followers of Jesus Christ were actually idolaters. If that’s the case, nobody should be Catholic.

So those are the stakes. Everyone who encountered Jesus of Nazareth was faced with a crucial question: is this God, in some mysterious guise, or not? The early Christians called this the “aut Deus aut malus homo” (“either God or a bad man”). Everyone encountering the Eucharist is faced with the same question: either God or idolatry.

And of course, if the Eucharist is pagan idolatry, it’s demonic. As 1 Corinthians 10:20 says, “what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God.”

The whole world hangs on this point: is the Eucharist Jesus or an idol? Is the Sacrifice of the Mass being offered to God, or to demons?

Satan Hates the Eucharist
The satanic Black Mass is a ritual inversion (and mockery) of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass performed by Satanists. Now, there are two types of Satanists: “LaVey Satanists,” and “theological Satanists.” LaVey Satanists atheists who don’t believe in Satan, and use “Satanism” as a tool to harass and provoke Christians (unlike“theological Satanists,” who believe in Satan and worship him). But whether the practitioners are playing at the occult, or serious, there’s no question that they’re tapping into some seriously dark spiritual forces. Satan is at work here.

And it worth pointing out that when Satanists (of both kind) want to mock a religious ritual, you can bet that it’s going to be the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that they target. How often do you hear about Muslim or Hindu or Jewish (or even Protestant) services being subjected to such intense Satanic mockery?

Nor is this Satanic targeting of the Mass anything new. As far back as the fourth century, St. Epiphanius of Salamis described a sect of Gnosticism performing a perverted mockery of Mass. I won’t go into the details, but it was graphic enough that the members of this sect became known as “Borborians” (“filthy ones”).

Satan Doesn’t Drive Out Satan​

So the Eucharist is either Jesus or evil (since if it’s not Jesus, it’s idolatry) and since the devil hates the Eucharist, we can cross “evil” off the list.

For some additional Biblical support, consider Matthew 12.22-28:

“Then a blind and dumb demoniac was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the dumb man spoke and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “It is only by Be-el′zebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.”​

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“Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Be-el′zebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”​

This passage is important: it shows, for example, that Catholic exorcists are operating by the Spirit of God when they drive out demons. But it also means that if Satan hates the Mass, we can be sure that the Mass isn’t evil.

Of course, if the Mass isn’t demonic, if it isn’t idolatry, that really only leaves one option: that the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, and that the Sacrifice of the Mass is presenting Jesus to the Father. This (and as far as I can tell, this alone), accounts for the Satanic mockery.

The Target of Satan
Even if the only thing you knew about Catholicism was that its central form of worship, the Mass, was the target of Satanic ire, you would already have good reason to believe that Catholicism was the true religion.

But taken with all of the other evidence for the truth that the Eucharist is Jesus, that the Mass is a Sacrifice instituted by God, and that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, Satan is just one more (unwitting) witness for the truth of Jesus Christ and His Church.

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Do you know there are little boys and girls in schools being indoctrinated, that if they choose to be the opposite sex,
then the establishment will make a path to mutilate their own bodies?
There are drag queen story hours in library's and drag queen parades, and now even bars are open to children as family hour,
to bring children and watch grown men parade around naked and collect money from children.
The schools are teaching little children that if you are this color then you are oppressed and if you are this color then you are the oppressor.

Indoctrination is a serious thing. And once it has found ground to plant itself in, it's really hard to root it out.
Religion is indoctrination.
It takes control of your heart and mind. It trains you in the way it believes is the best way.
Whether it is Godly or satanic, indoctrination is a very strong tool used for coercing people into believing whatever truth it chooses.

And all religions believe that their indoctrination is the truth.

Jesus is not seeking religion. He is seeking a one on one relationship with the believer.
He is the believers Priest. No man or woman comes between them.
But most religions feel it is necessary to be the inbetween. To speak on someone's behalf.
As if the Lord doesn't already know what is in the heart.

Israel followed the law. They had rituals and traditions carried down to them from their founder Moses.
But when the Truth came, he showed them the error of their ways.
But they refused to listen.
They had been indoctrinated in Moses teachings for generations.

And then there is Peter. I like Peter, I do. But he is a man. A simple fisherman who Jesus took under his wing and gave to him the keys of the Kingdom of God. And just like the Jewish religion, Peter had the ability to open those gates or keep them hidden.
Three times Peter denied Him. Three times Jesus told him to feed his sheep.
And when he would be converted to teach his brethren.
Apparently Peter wasn't converted at the time Jesus gave Peter (little stone) this name.
Pétros, pet'-ros; apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock

Because mankind is dreadfully weak in faith, people needed a physical idol to look upon and follow.
Some claimed that even the shadow of Peter passing by healed them.
This very much reminds me of the brazen serpent that Moses put on a pole so when those who were bitten by serpents (the sick, the infirm) would look upon it in faith because God told them to, and would be healed.
It was not the brazen snake nor the pole that healed them.
After 700 years the people began to look upon and worship this idol, so much so that God had it destroyed.

You are steadfast in your indoctrination.
It's not up to me to change what you believe.
All I can do is show you a better way.
But you have to learn it on your own.

1Jo 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

God has put you where you are for a reason.
Everyone is a tool in the hands of God.
And God chooses how to use those tools.

I will finish with..
May you be blessed in your journey. And keep your eyes on the Lord alone.

Hugs

 

[Jim B]

Do you know there are little boys and girls in schools being indoctrinated, that if they choose to be the opposite sex,
then the establishment will make a path to mutilate their own bodies?
There are drag queen story hours in library's and drag queen parades, and now even bars are open to children as family hour,
to bring children and watch grown men parade around naked and collect money from children.
The schools are teaching little children that if you are this color then you are oppressed and if you are this color then you are the oppressor.

Indoctrination is a serious thing. And once it has found ground to plant itself in, it's really hard to root it out.
Religion is indoctrination.
It takes control of your heart and mind. It trains you in the way it believes is the best way.
Whether it is Godly or satanic, indoctrination is a very strong tool used for coercing people into believing whatever truth it chooses.

And all religions believe that their indoctrination is the truth.

Jesus is not seeking religion. He is seeking a one on one relationship with the believer.
He is the believers Priest. No man or woman comes between them.
But most religions feel it is necessary to be the inbetween. To speak on someone's behalf.
As if the Lord doesn't already know what is in the heart.

Israel followed the law. They had rituals and traditions carried down to them from their founder Moses.
But when the Truth came, he showed them the error of their ways.
But they refused to listen.
They had been indoctrinated in Moses teachings for generations.

And then there is Peter. I like Peter, I do. But he is a man. A simple fisherman who Jesus took under his wing and gave to him the keys of the Kingdom of God. And just like the Jewish religion, Peter had the ability to open those gates or keep them hidden.
Three times Peter denied Him. Three times Jesus told him to feed his sheep.
And when he would be converted to teach his brethren.
Apparently Peter wasn't converted at the time Jesus gave Peter (little stone) this name.
Pétros, pet'-ros; apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock

Because mankind is dreadfully weak in faith, people needed a physical idol to look upon and follow.
Some claimed that even the shadow of Peter passing by healed them.
This very much reminds me of the brazen serpent that Moses put on a pole so when those who were bitten by serpents (the sick, the infirm) would look upon it in faith because God told them to, and would be healed.
It was not the brazen snake nor the pole that healed them.
After 700 years the people began to look upon and worship this idol, so much so that God had it destroyed.

You are steadfast in your indoctrination.
It's not up to me to change what you believe.
All I can do is show you a better way.
But you have to learn it on your own.

1Jo 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

God has put you where you are for a reason.
Everyone is a tool in the hands of God.
And God chooses how to use those tools.

I will finish with..
May you be blessed in your journey. And keep your eyes on the Lord alone.

Hugs

"God has put you where you are for a reason.
Everyone is a tool in the hands of God.
And God chooses how to use those tools."

Does "everyone" include LGBTQs?

 

[Ziggy]

"God has put you where you are for a reason.
Everyone is a tool in the hands of God.
And God chooses how to use those tools."

Does "everyone" include LGBTQs?

Even so.

Not all tools (vessels) are created for the same purpose.
You should know this.
Rom 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Plagues take many forms.
And only God can heal us.
Amen?

We see the manifestation of lawlessness in the world.
Unless the hearts are changed it will continue.
And it is the glory of God to change those hearts.

It will come.
Patience
Hugs

 

[Jim B]

Even so.

Not all tools (vessels) are created for the same purpose.
You should know this.
Rom 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Plagues take many forms.
And only God can heal us.
Amen?

We see the manifestation of lawlessness in the world.
Unless the hearts are changed it will continue.
And it is the glory of God to change those hearts.

It will come.
Patience
Hugs

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Here is that verse in context: "But who indeed are you, a human, to argue with God? Will what is molded say to the one who molds it, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one object for special use and another for ordinary use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction, and what if he has done so in order to make known the riches of his glory for the objects of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— including us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the gentiles?" Romans 9:20-24

What does this have to do with plagues?

 

[Ziggy]

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Here is that verse in context: "But who indeed are you, a human, to argue with God? Will what is molded say to the one who molds it, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one object for special use and another for ordinary use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction, and what if he has done so in order to make known the riches of his glory for the objects of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— including us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the gentiles?" Romans 9:20-24

What does this have to do with plagues?

Some plagues are internal. We call it mental illness.
What is happening in the LGBTQ community is a sickness in their minds.

Isa 1:4
Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
Isa 1:5
Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Isa 1:6
From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

Isa 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20
But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

The option for repentance is always open.
Somewhere along the line, this community will grow smaller.
We should pray for their recovery and swift healing for all our sakes.
Patience.
It will come.
Whatever this is it needs to run it's course.
It is us that are being tested to see if we can even love our enemies.

Mat 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Sometimes things happen to see if we will Listen.
It is for our learning.

And we should pray.

Hugs

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes I know that Bishop Victor ruled on this. Which was something that the "churches" of the east took note of.

The disagreement was about when and how the feast of Passover should be observed....different names Resurrection Sunday and such.
Of interest....Bishop Victor's response to Polycrates' letter are recorded by Socrates Scholasticus as such: "In Asia Minor most people kept the fourteenth day of the moon, disregarding the sabbath: yet they never separated from those who did otherwise, until Victor, Bishop of Rome, influenced by too ardent a zeal, fulminated a sentence of excommunication against the Quartodecimans in Asia." This led to a sharp rebuke by many prominent bishops (including the most well known, Irenaeus).

And regardless of the opinions of others –Pope Victor exercised his Authority.

Pay Attention:
He was the Bishop of ROME excommunicating the Quartodecimans in ASIA.
If he wasn’t the Pope – he wouldn’t have had the Authority to do so, Einstein.

 

[BreadOfLife]

God is the head. Holy Spirit is the arm. Jesus is the finger.

3 in one.

That is a heretical, Modalistic view.

The Father is GOD.
The Son is GOD.
The Holy Spirit is GOD.

ONE God, manifested in THREE distinct Persons.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Its amazing

Jesus said whoever ate in John 6 will never hunger, never thirst, Never die, live forever. Be raised on the last day and has eternal life.

He also called it the food which ENDURED to eternal life.

He also told them it is not like the manna, which they ate daily and still died.

yet the roman church weekly eats this so called food that jesus said one who ate it would live forever.

In their own sacrament, they call Jesus a liar..

No - WE don't call Jesus a liar - YOU do.
You employ a purely carnal understanding to a Spiritual truth.

It's not physical, earthly life that He promised - but everlasting SPIRITUAL life.
This is why Jesus tells the crowd -
John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

 

[BreadOfLife]

the eucharist is evil

Jesus said whoever eats will never hunger, never thirst. never die, live forever

yet your church has people eat it every mass. and they STILL are not promised they would never die

Jesus told us what his flesh and blood was. "it is the spirit who gives life. the words he speaks are spirit and they are life.

That is what he told them to chew on.. That is what Peter acknowledged, They we know "you have the words of eternal life"

WRONG.

When Jesus made this statement in John 6:63, He was telling the crowd to stop thinking as fleshly-minded people and to think spiritually, as God does. That's what "The flesh profits nothing" means.

He WASN'T saying that HIS flesh "profits nothing". HIS flesh profits us EVERYTHING, as it was HIS flesh that was sacrificed for our US.

 

[Taken]

psychotic rant, moronic abject ignorance , stupid

Pitiful example of a Catholic masquerading as a Christian.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

See how they spiritualize everything to fit their dogma..

Jesus said what jesus said..

 

[Grailhunter]

And regardless of the opinions of others –Pope Victor exercised his Authority.

Pay Attention:
He was the Bishop of ROME excommunicating the Quartodecimans in ASIA.
If he wasn’t the Pope – he wouldn’t have had the Authority to do so, Einstein.

LOL So what you are saying is that there was no Christian leaders, just Victor? Victor was the first? Until there was a Pope there was no leadership? He was a Bishop. Could not call him Pope because the word did not exist in that era.

The earliest recorded use of the title "pope" in English dates to the mid-10th century, when it was used in reference to the 7th century Roman Pope Vitalian in an Old English translation of Bede's Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum. And this is common....the word Pope and its meaning is coined and then the Catholic Church starts bestowing it on individuals that lived in the past. At which point the sky is the limit, why not Pope Moses or Pope David.

I am beginning to understand why you are not knowledgeable about this. You don't understand the time periods or history. You need to expand your knowledge base in history and ancient cultural understanding and the history and evolution of languages.….don’t feel bad it is more common than not. But it is a big problem when it comes to understanding the Bible. When someone reads the Bible they are attempting to understand what a text that is thousands of years old….means….but they can only do that from the modern perspective because the Bible does not explain the realities of living in the various time periods. So there are many misconceptions and misunderstands and Voilà thousands of denominations.

Reading the Bible like it is the latest edition of the local Sunday paper is a common mistake.

It is a huge topic that you could spend a good part of your life researching.

1. Judaism is not Christianity, but you have to understand Judaism to understand Christianity. But one of the common errors is trying to mix them.

2. What was it like to live back in those time periods? Lets say starting with the end of the Bible were the Jews fall under the rule of the Persians, then work your way forward. If you were transported back to that time period it would seem like an alien world and it would get worse as you moved along.

3. As it is now there is a lot of information that has come to light about the period between the testaments. This information is important because it leads up to the New Testament era and sets the stage for the social and physical living environments that are in place during the New Testament era. Understanding this is vital to understanding the New Testament. What was it like to be a Jew and live under Roman rule? What was it like to be a Christian and live under Roman rule?

4. To understand the New Testament and Christian history for the first 1800 years, you have to understand the Romans and the Roman Empires in detail.

Because very few people do this, a lot don't do this….I a lot of false beliefs have been promulgated because this knowledge is not there.

The earliest recorded use of the title "pope" in English dates to the mid-10th century, when it was used in reference to the 7th century Roman Pope Vitalian in an Old English translation of Bede's Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum.

But this does not take into account that during the 4th century after the Edict of Milan that there were Bishops functioning as Popes in the context that we understand it. But they were using Greek and Latin at the time to define the titles….the English word not there yet. LOL

Romans are big on organization and standardization. So it is no surprise that Emperor Constantine’s first effort was to get the Christians to standardize Christian beliefs. All the early councils were arranged, organized, and financed by the Roman Empire. And it was up to the Roman Empire to enforce Ecumenical rulings and doctrines that needed to be enforced.

It was your lack of knowledge on all this that caused you to think that Bishop Victer could actually excommunicate the Quartodecimans. He was basically spitting into the wind....no way to enforce his rulings....no power.

The background....
The Quartodeciman controversy arose because Christians in the churches of Jerusalem and Asia Minor observed Easter on the 14th of the first month (Nisan), no matter the day of the week on which it occurred, while the churches in and around Rome practiced celebrating Easter always on the Sunday following first Full Moon following the vernal equinox, calling it "the day of the resurrection of our Saviour". The difference was turned into an ecclesiastical controversy when the practice was condemned by synods of bishops. But there was no resolution until the Council at Nicaea.

As the bishops of the West did not deem it necessary to dishonor the tradition believed to be handed down to them by Peter and by Paul, and as, on the other hand, the Asiatic bishops persisted in following the rules laid down by John the evangelist, they unanimously agreed to continue in the observance of the festival according to their respective customs, without separation from communion with each other. They faithfully and justly assumed, that those who accorded in the essentials of worship ought not to separate from one another on account of customs.

If you understood the time period you would know that there were things that Christian leaders could do and things they could not do. Rome was not the place for a Christian leader to step out in the sun light and try to exert his authority....it would be fatal. The Romans had no tolerance for people trying to claim authority.

After Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire the Church had the power to enforce their rulings and doctrines. If you understood the period, you would know all this.

 

[Taken]

Scriptural Truth.

Deut. 32:
[4] He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

 

[Marymog]

No clue who you are calling “MY MEN”.

There is a group of Jewish men Jesus Appointed, such men whom Jesus taught, such men whom knew Jesus face to face, that I TRUST they spoke with Authority Gods Word.....but I would hardly call THEM My men... LOL

Lol.....Well, since the "group of Jewish men Jesus Appointed" are not alive that means you are not able to talk to them to get clarification on what they wrote. That means that either YOU are interpreting their words OR you are listening to other men on how THEY interpret their words.

So when you say that you don't have a clue what men you are listening to OR reading the writings of to come up with your theology is simply..........Fascinating.....

At least you got @David in NJ and @amigo de christo to "like" your bizarre post. Maybe they can help you figure out WHO you are listening to or reading to come up with your theology (interpretation of Scripture)?

Keeping it real.....Mary