What does it mean to be born again?
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The nerve of some people. Religion makes people do crazy things.He’s allowed to respond to any post he wants to. Especially in his own thread. You also have the right to respond to any post you want to. (Or to not respond, even if a question is directed to you personally.) That’s the third time I’ve seen you basically tell this man to shut up in one of his own threads.
I watch what people say and do. I have always exhorted people to go to God...and you have always resisted me...claiming you didn't have to. I know what's in your head.
Nope. He thinks he already has the full measure of grace. Every single time you’ve talked about going to God for more power he has had a fit at you.
He just doesn't like it when his ideas are exposed...and don't "sound" so good.
Yeah, it’s all romantic until someone gets stabbed by a fork.Sounds romantic...kind of...
Hmm…I would ask you what lie it is that I’ve told but I already know you wouldn’t answer me or back your mouth up.
Well Epi I have an issue with your first line. The real Jews of old, of Christ's time, under the Law and OC OT, their standard is no more and does not extend or continue to believers of Jews/Greek or any other culture or race after Pentecost and today. It's a non-starter for me. It's like trying to fit and use an analogue speed gauge in a modern aeroplane, integrated into a new digital onboard network and computer system. The rules and method of operations have completely changed.
Now the Greek usage for the English word 'fear' is not to bow down under duress as if one is about to die, and all hope might be lost. And not to keep looking in the rear mirror for a lighting bolt to fry me. It means having a healthy reverence and respect for God as we are being saved out of this mortal flesh and this world.
I can only think of this type of fear as when I was a child and I had 'fear' a very healthy respect for my Papa. I never questioned him even in mind, and never answered him back, eventhough I knew I was always a target for him when I was in his presence. I always wanted to please him beyond reproach is innocent of though and action...I truly loved him as humanly possible. This is the fear (and trembling) we must have or possess, and if not in possession, to be in prayerful humbleness to possess and cultivate it in our lives. I mean our Creator came to give me and us real grace to show us the way to be saved and to be counted as his son/daughter. It's the least I can do to say thank you over and over again. I owe him my very existence and life!
Now I do see modern Pharisees today as you do and in other ways. Although I also see more non-Pharisees, just immature, sometimes confused and slow walkers, gaining maturity.....I would not be so quick to slam or label others as Pharisees because they cannot understand you or they reveal scripture to you in a way that that does not sit well with you....
I really believe if you explained your 'new' jargon you use in your Christian walk and experience more clearly...like what is initial grace, the fullness of grace, and is the narrow path yet to be trodden, for a seeker or believer that has not gotten to the Cross yet and beaten down yet etc to initialized a higher walk?....do you see the confusion caused by all this lingo? What exactly is the inner and outer man and how is it represented in scripture...clearly..
.there is much clarity yet to be defined by yourself I believe, else folks will continue to think and believe you are representing another cultist view of Christianity, rebirth and salvation...you will still be called as name and slogans: a legalist, another practitioner of Gnosticism, human works for salvation believer. Seller of a newer gospel....
'....but not actually DO right is insanity....' What does this mean and why apply it to me? Did I miss something. Explain yourself else it sounds like desperate writing.
Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.
Rom 3:26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Rom 4:15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist.
Rom 4:18 In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.”
Rom 4:19 He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah's womb.
Rom 4:20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God,
Rom 4:21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
Rom 5:15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Rom 5:16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
Rom 5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?
Rom 6:3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
Rom 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
Rom 6:7 For one who has died has been set free from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
Rom 6:9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
Rom 6:11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.
Rom 6:13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.
Rom 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Nowhere do I read in the scriptures to go to God for MORE grace, or a fuller chen vachesed, my grace is sufficient.
But one thing I noticed in your video clips, you have a problem reading.
But I'm am not going to lower myself to your self-righteous standard, and is it true you have received a direct revelation from wherever? Both you and Stun have resorted to downright lies today, you think you are going to get away with this?
Hearing "voices?"
Brother, he has been exposed, and now resorting to flat out lies. And a liar has no place in the basileia of YHVH.
But God, faith and holiness are the same. Why does Heb. 11 still use Old Testament examples of what faith is? So then faith hasn't changed. The Israelites of old couldn't enter into the land because of unbelief. And modern believers don't enter into the higher walk in Zion for the very same reason. When the Son of Man returns will He find faith on the Earth?
Yes...well said.
Pharisee is as Pharisee does, Righteous is as righteous does. We are called to expose darkness..as it gives people a chance to break away from their religious indoctrination. Of course that takes time....and a lot of patience with immature behaviour and outrageous accusations (actually more like confessions).
I have done hours of podcasts in that regard. I'm getting older and I don't have the energy to restate the same things again and again. I hope you will visit my channel.:)
I think people know exactly what I stand for, But this goes directly against the religious spirit they have adopted that has promised them life IN their fleshly pursuits.
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It’s the basic argument of evangelical Protestantism. If I believe what I read, I claim I am righteous and holy, even IF I don’t do what is right. And that man over there who DOES do what is right? Doesn’t matter, he will burn.
It’s very dangerous to claim righteousness is just What you think and not what you do. It takes away what little humility and fear a man may have had.
You are being rude..not part of the discussion. Take your malcontent elsewhere if you will. You have exposed who you are.
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As long as you see you are of the first statement. Do you not claim the righteousness of God as your own even as you sin. So then that makes you a liar...no?
I don't claim any righteousness. I am still learning human righteousness...as it is laid out in scripture...as Paul said...instruction in righteousness. You should do the same while there is still a chance to unlearn all the unrighteousness you have picked up.
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