prophecy questions about God's Timelines - invitation...

[Truth7t7]

Yes, He died, which is what cut off refers to.

Which is what both Isaiah and Daniel prophesied, in agreement with one another.

We Disagree, the events of Daniel 9:26-27 are future and had no fulfillment in the death of Jesus Christ in 33AD as you claim, they will end in the future final "Consummation" as shown several times

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[covenantee]

We Disagree, the events of Daniel 9:26-27 are future and had no fulfillment in the death of Jesus Christ in 33AD as you claim, they will end in the future final "Consummation" as shown several times

Jesus Is The Lord

Isaiah said "cut off".

Daniel said "cut off".

Isaiah was referring to Calvary.

So was Daniel.

In your futurized scenario, what happens to Messiah when He is cut off?

 

[Truth7t7]

Isaiah said "cut off".

Daniel said "cut off".

Isaiah was referring to Calvary.

So was Daniel.

In your futurized scenario, what happens to Messiah when He is cut off?

Once Again and Again,The building to Messiah is "Cut Off" when armies surround Jerusalem, "Messiah "Cut Off"

Don't forget Daniel 9:27 and the word "Consummation" a future event unfulfilled, as you falsely teach and believe the "He" is Jesus Christ making Abomination and Desolation "Wrong"

We Disagree

 

[Christian Gedge]

Yes Luther's claims concerning Daniel 9:27 are out to Lunch

So, you do not accept Martin Luther, and on another post you disparage Isaac Newton on the grounds that reformed eschatology wrongly count 490 years instead of 490 days. You also dismiss Moses sabbatical years as being the same thing Daniel’s weeks.

Would you like me to provide quotes from the early Church in support of the traditional view? If not, I’ll just leave you to your opinion.

 

[Truth7t7]

So, you do not accept Martin Luther, and on another post you disparage Isaac Newton on the grounds that reformed eschatology wrongly count 490 years instead of 490 days. You also dismiss Moses sabbatical years as being the same thing Daniel’s weeks.

Would you like me to provide quotes from the early Church in support of the traditional view? If not, I’ll just leave you to your opinion.

Provide all the quotes you want, Daniel 9:24 states (Seventy Weekks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years) its that simple

You will closely note that you have "avoided response" to Daniel 9:27, and the "Consummation" future unfulfilled (The End)

Reformed eschatology is correct that no future Millennium will take place, but it's lost out in left field concerning the future AOD and human man (The Beast) that will be on earth

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[covenantee]

Once Again and Again,The building to Messiah is "Cut Off" when armies surround Jerusalem, "Messiah "Cut Off"

Don't forget Daniel 9:27 and the word "Consummation" a future event unfulfilled, as you falsely teach and believe the "He" is Jesus Christ making Abomination and Desolation "Wrong"

We Disagree

So Messiah is killed and dies again?

That's what "cut off" means.

 

[Truth7t7]

So Messiah is killed and dies again?

That's what "cut off" means.

You now falsely misrepresent my claim made

We Disagree

 

[covenantee]

You now falsely misreprent my claim made

We Disagree

Then clarify your claim.

 

[Truth7t7]

Then clarify your claim.

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Once Again and Again

When The building to Messiah is "Cut Off" when armies surround Jerusalem, this is "Messiah being "Cut Off"

Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[covenantee]

Once Again and Again

When The building to Messiah is "Cut Off" when armies surround Jerusalem, this is "Messiah "Cut Off"

Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

There is no "building" in Daniel 9:26.

It plainly says that it is Messiah who is cut off.

Not a building.

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no "building" in Daniel 9:26.

It plainly says that it is Messiah who is cut off.

Not a building.

Stop the childish games, you know well verse 25 below shows the building is to Messiah, when the building stops after 62 weeks, Messiah is "Cut Off"

Daniel 9:25-26KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[covenantee]

Stop the childish games, you know well verse 25 below shows the building is to Messiah, when the building stops after 62 weeks, Messiah is "Cut Off"

Daniel 9:25-26KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off

Not a building.

How do you kill a building?

So you're claiming that when the building stops after 62 weeks, Messiah is killed and dies again?

 

[Truth7t7]

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off

Not a building.

How do you kill a building?

The scripture teaches the building is unto Messiah, and this building will stop after 62 weeks, as the building unto Messiah is "Cut Off"

The horse is dead, I have redundantly explained myself

We Disagree

 

[covenantee]

The scripture teaches the building is unto Messiah, and this building will stop after 62 weeks, as the building unto Messiah is "Cut Off"

The horse is dead, I have redundantly explained myself

We Disagree

But it is not the building that is cut off.

It is Messiah who is cut off, i.e. Messiah who is killed and dies.

A second time.

Your claim.

 

[covenantee]

The scripture teaches the building is unto Messiah, and this building will stop after 62 weeks, as the building unto Messiah is "Cut Off"

The horse is dead, I have redundantly explained myself

We Disagree

So you need to correct your interpretation to recognize that it was Messiah who was cut off, once, at Calvary, two thousand years ago.

Never to be cut off again. (Revelation 1:18)

And that Daniel's weeks are weeks of years, not days.

And that Daniel 9:24-25,26a,27a was fulfilled over 490 years; and at Calvary two thousand years ago.

 

[jeffweeder]

But it is not the building that is cut off.

It is Messiah who is cut off, i.e. Messiah who is killed and dies.

A second time.

Your claim.

As the saying goes----You can't get blood out of a Stone.

God answered Daniel 9 prayer with full atonement by Messiah's blood....It's that simple Lol

 

[Truth7t7]

As the saying goes----You can't get blood out of a Stone.

God answered Daniel 9 prayer with full atonement by Messiah's blood....It's that simple Lol

Daniel 9:24:27 is future, you have joined the reformed eschatology mob in denial

Jeff you sit on the outside looking in, answer the "Consummation" in Daniel 9:27, do you also believe the "He" is Jesus Christ making abomination and desolation "Waiting"?

 

[rwb]

Yes Luther's claims concerning Daniel 9:27 are out to Lunch

Luthers event above in red that mentions Daniel 9:27 is future as seen below, read that word "Consummation" again and again, because it's a future event, and didn't take place during the time of Jesus Christ as Luther and reformed eschatology fasley teaches

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The prophecy of Daniel shows Jerusalem will be re-built (after 70 yrs captivity) and Messiah the Prince will come within the alotted time of the prophecy. After the Messiah has come and is cut-off by His cross, Daniel's people (Jews) had already destroyed the holy city and the holy place (the sanctuary), and the end for them (Jerusalem), determined by God will be a deluge of war and desolations that God has appointed them to. The end of the sacrificial and ceremonial Levitical Law became void or was made obsolete by the blood of Christ. By continuing to make animal sacrifices after Christ's blood was shed, further condemned Jerusalem. Which is why Daniel writes "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Daniel is declaring that the city and holy place shall continue to be more and more of an abomination unto Him. There is no more hope for them, they have become and will continue to be a desolate place and people in the eyes of the Lord until the end of time.

The only hope for Jews after the cross and resurrection is for them to turn to Christ, the Messiah/Savior, the same as with people from every nation of the world.

 

[Truth7t7]

The prophecy of Daniel shows Jerusalem will be re-built (after 70 yrs captivity) and Messiah the Prince will come within the alotted time of the prophecy. After the Messiah has come and is cut-off by His cross,

Your claim is false, you promote standard reformed eschatology in false teachings

Daniel's 70 weeks are 490 future literal days, and will start when a future command goes forth to build Jerusalem To Messiah that they wait for in deception

 

[rwb]

Your claim is false, you promote standard reformed eschatology in false teachings

Daniel's 70 weeks are 490 future literal days, and will start when a future command goes forth to build Jerusalem To Messiah that they wait for in deception

I know this is what you believe Scripture tells us 7t7. But, you have not been able to prove what you assume. Where do we find for instance proof for this statement by you "the building is unto Messiah, and this building will stop after 62 weeks, as the building unto Messiah is "Cut Off"?