Another Premillennial absurdity

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No. You avoided it there, you are avoiding it now, and you are avoiding everywhere in between.

LOL...hopeless.

 

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Scripture is what you are scared of. That is what you are scared of.

LOL...Typical....

 

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Matthew 13:12
For whoever has [spiritual wisdom because he is receptive to God’s word], to him more will be given, and he will be richly and abundantly supplied; but whoever does not have [spiritual wisdom because he has devalued God’s word], even what he has will be taken away from him.

James 3:17
But the wisdom from above is first pure [morally and spiritually undefiled], then peace-loving [courteous, considerate], gentle, reasonable [and willing to listen], full of compassion and good fruits. It is unwavering, without [self-righteous] hypocrisy [and self-serving guile].

No duh's allowed.

Duh, Duh, Duh...

 

[covenantee]

Duh, Duh, Duh...

AKA Dispensational Delusional Dogma.

 

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AKA Dispensational Delusional Dogma.

No...Actually means;
Disdainful indication that something is obvious.

 

[WPM]

AKA Dispensational Delusional Dogma.

Exactly bro! He cannot even bring one Scripture to the table that teaches the Pretrib delusion. He is married to a Jesuit invention and refuses to turn. It is on his own shoulders. He knows he has nothing and has admitted it.

 

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Exactly bro! He cannot even bring one Scripture to the table that teaches the Pretrib delusion. He is married to a Jesuit invention and refuses to turn. It is on his own shoulders. He knows he has nothing and has admitted it.

Interesting how Scripture challenges bothering to teach they who stand against Christ’s teaching....and warn them of the wrath to come...

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Luke 3:
[7] Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?


Interesting how Scripture verifies those with Christ Jesus are already delivered from the wrath to come.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


Seems some are not ONLY going to Experience the wrath to come....
But exert their energy desperately trying to get others to jump on board WITH them. Akin to foot-soldiering for satan. YIPES!

Clouds....have a unique and lovely spiritual purpose!!

 

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He knows he has nothing and has admitted it.

Making up LIES, is becoming your reputation.

 

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AKA Dispensational Delusional Dogma.

Thought I saw a spark of light in you....but it fizzled.

 

[jeffweeder]

Seems some are not ONLY going to Experience the wrath to come....
But exert their energy desperately trying to get others to jump on board WITH them. Akin to foot-soldiering for satan. YIPES!

Do you even know what the wrath to come is?


Revelation 11:18
And the nations (Gentiles) became enraged, and Your wrath and indignation came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and [the time came] to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints (God’s people) and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and [the time came] to destroy the destroyers of the earth.”

We clearly escape it.

Jn 5
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life

 

[WPM]

Interesting how Scripture challenges bothering to teach they who stand against Christ’s teaching....and warn them of the wrath to come...

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Luke 3:
[7] Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?


Interesting how Scripture verifies those with Christ Jesus are already delivered from the wrath to come.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.


Seems some are not ONLY going to Experience the wrath to come....
But exert their energy desperately trying to get others to jump on board WITH them. Akin to foot-soldiering for satan. YIPES!

Clouds....have a unique and lovely spiritual purpose!!

The wrath to come is the wholesale destruction that destroys all the wicked after the righteous are rescued at the one final future coming of Christ. There is no place for your imaginary 7 year trib or 3rd coming.

 

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Do you even know what the wrath to come is?

Yes. Seals, Trumps, Vials, Woes, Plagues

Revelation 11:18
And the nations (Gentiles) became enraged, and Your wrath and indignation came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and [the time came] to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints (God’s people) and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and [the time came] to destroy the destroyers of the earth.”

Rev 11:
[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Wrath IS in Process, Began and IS NOT FINISHED.

We clearly escape it.

Jn 5
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life

Clearly you escape it? When? How? To Where?

 

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The wrath to come is the wholesale destruction that destroys all the wicked after the righteous are rescued at the one final future coming of Christ.

Wholesale destruction that destroys all the wicked?
(Bulk selling of destruction for others to sell?
What does that mean in your mind?)

There is no place for your imaginary 7 year trib or 3rd coming.

Where are you during all your wholesale destruction...?
Who are you, the bulk seller or bulk buyer of destruction?
When are the “righteous rescued” before, during, after, your wholesale destruction?
Where ARE the “righteous who are rescued”?
How long does your wholesale destruction Last?

Why do you repeatedly LIE saying I claimed a 3rd coming?
Why have those words ONLY come out of YOUR MOUTH ?

 

[WPM]

Wholesale destruction that destroys all the wicked?
(Bulk selling of destruction for others to sell?
What does that mean in your mind?)



Where are you during all your wholesale destruction...?
Who are you, the bulk seller or bulk buyer of destruction?
When are the “righteous rescued” before, during, after, your wholesale destruction?
Where ARE the “righteous who are rescued”?
How long does your wholesale destruction Last?

Why do you repeatedly LIE saying I claimed a 3rd coming?
Why have those words ONLY come out of YOUR MOUTH ?

If you would actually address the multiple posts on this thread that you have carefully ducked around that show a climactic and wholesale destruction of the wicked when Jesus comes then you would not keep repeating these types of evasive posts. I have showed you clearly how all the righteouss are rescued before Jesus pours out His wrath. I have showed you clearly how all the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes. You avoid this because to embrace the sacred text would force you to abandon Pretrib.

Notice the wholesale destruction outlined in 1562, 1564, 1567 and 1574 that you refuse to accept. This is your fight - with God's Book.

 

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If you would actually address the multiple posts on this thread that you have carefully ducked around that show a climactic and wholesale destruction of the wicked when Jesus comes then you would not keep repeating these types of evasive posts.

Evasive posts? LOL

ARE you EXCLUDING yourself from answering SIMPLE questions?

I have showed you clearly how all the righteouss are rescued before Jesus pours out His wrath.

I see nothing whereby you CLEARLY...
Say...HOW the righteous are rescued.
Say...WHERE ARE the righteous who ARE rescued.

I have showed you clearly how all the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes. You avoid this because to embrace the sacred text would force you to abandon Pretrib.

HOW ARE “all” the wicked are destroyed?
WHEN “Jesus” comes? Okay.... WHEN “is’ that ?
IS WHEN “Jesus” comes foretold in Scripture? IF so...WHAT Scripture?
Not a DATE....But rather....BEFORE a named event and AFTER a named event?

Notice the wholesale destruction outlined...

Your list of random numbers reveal no basis for your wholesale destruction claim.


BTW...WHO do you identify as “THE RIGHTEOUS” ?

 

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If you would actually address the multiple posts on this thread

I have FREEWILL to respond or reject response according to my choice.

I have showed you clearly how all the wicked are destroyed when Jesus comes. You avoid this

FALSE. I did not avoid.
Son of man...appears ON A CLOUD...ALL can SEE Him.
Son of man...is wearing a Gold Crown.
Son of man...Has a sickle.
An Angel Signals for the Son of man to....Thrust his sickle and reap.
Son of man...Thrusts His sickle.
Another Angel Signals for the Son of man to Thrust his sickle to gather for Himself RIPE fruit.
The Other Angel (with POWER OVER FIRE) also has a sickle and Thrusts his sickle to gather together RIPE fruit...and PUTS THAT RIPENED fruit “outside” of the Temple, IN Gods WINEPRESS, where the bodily Life (BLOOD) of THAT ripe fruit, is PRESS, bodily KILLED, and Baptized (purified), WITH FIRE.


Rev 14:
[14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
[15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
[16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
[17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
[18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
[19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
[20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Clearly the Son of man, IS SEEN in the CLOUDS...”not ON Earth”...
Reaping OF TWO DIVIDED/DIFFERENT Ripe Fruits....occurs.

Is this your .... Return of Jesus and Destroying of ALL the Wicked?

 

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@ WPM

Rev 14:
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Is this your ...... Return of Jesus (on Earth) and Destroying of ALL the Wicked?

 

[WPM]

Evasive posts? LOL

ARE you EXCLUDING yourself from answering SIMPLE questions?

I see nothing whereby you CLEARLY...
Say...HOW the righteous are rescued.
Say...WHERE ARE the righteous who ARE rescued.




HOW ARE “all” the wicked are destroyed?
WHEN “Jesus” comes? Okay.... WHEN “is’ that ?
IS WHEN “Jesus” comes foretold in Scripture? IF so...WHAT Scripture?
Not a DATE....But rather....BEFORE a named event and AFTER a named event?




Your list of random numbers reveal no basis for your wholesale destruction claim.


BTW...WHO do you identify as “THE RIGHTEOUS” ?

I am going to take them one at a time. It will show the reader who takes Scripture literal or not and who is adding unto Scripture or not.

I Thessalonians 5:2-7 the enormity of this climactic event: “the day of the Lord will come (or appear or arrive) as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

1. Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2)?
2. Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
3. Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?

The “wrath” of God is here linked with the “sudden destruction” that befalls those that are in the dark when Jesus comes. Significantly the whole context of this reading is the destruction of those who abide in darkness and the rescue of those who are in light. There is no third group that is half enlightened. Despite the destruction that hits all left behind the writers reassures the believer that they will escape this awful fate.

I Thessalonians 5:2-7 confirms that it isn’t just Christ’s coming that is sudden but also the destruction that accompanies. Likening Christ’s return to “a thief in the night” capably serves to impress the surprising nature of His coming for the lost. It shows that the wicked are caught abruptly in their folly at the apocalypse. The “sudden destruction” is so impactful that none escape. That is explicit in the narrative. Furthermore, we learn that the speed that the pain of childbirth hits a woman will be like the destruction of the wicked. It is not saying that 'the whole child-birth experience is like the coming of the Lord' which would be needed to allow for the Premil understanding. After all, they have to stretch the judgment out over centuries, but it is not found in this text. In doing this they diminish the sudden nature of the destruction.

The coming of Christ is here (as 2 Peter 3) likened to the appearance of “a thief in the night.” Moreover, the narrative demonstrates that the judgment that accompanies this climactic event is instantaneous and that it involves “sudden destruction.” Its focus is directed fully and entirely upon the sum-total of the wicked, not merely a percentage of them. This group that is referred to as “they” who “shall not escape” relates to the aggregate Christ-rejecting community alive at His return. They are later described as those who are “of the night” and “of darkness.” It is they alone that experience immediate and “sudden destruction” which “cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child”; and “they shall [assuredly] not escape.” This climactic event pulls down the curtain on time and concludes the affairs of this life.

 

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I am going to take them one at a time. It will show the reader who takes Scripture literal or not and who is adding unto Scripture or not.

I Thessalonians 5:2-7 the enormity of this climactic event: “the day of the Lord will come (or appear or arrive) as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

1. Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2)?
2. Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
3. Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?

The “wrath” of God is here linked with the “sudden destruction” that befalls those that are in the dark when Jesus comes. Significantly the whole context of this reading is the destruction of those who abide in darkness and the rescue of those who are in light. There is no third group that is half enlightened. Despite the destruction that hits all left behind the writers reassures the believer that they will escape this awful fate.

I Thessalonians 5:2-7 confirms that it isn’t just Christ’s coming that is sudden but also the destruction that accompanies. Likening Christ’s return to “a thief in the night” capably serves to impress the surprising nature of His coming for the lost. It shows that the wicked are caught abruptly in their folly at the apocalypse. The “sudden destruction” is so impactful that none escape. That is explicit in the narrative. Furthermore, we learn that the speed that the pain of childbirth hits a woman will be like the destruction of the wicked. It is not saying that 'the whole child-birth experience is like the coming of the Lord' which would be needed to allow for the Premil understanding. After all, they have to stretch the judgment out over centuries, but it is not found in this text. In doing this they diminish the sudden nature of the destruction.

The coming of Christ is here (as 2 Peter 3) likened to the appearance of “a thief in the night.” Moreover, the narrative demonstrates that the judgment that accompanies this climactic event is instantaneous and that it involves “sudden destruction.” Its focus is directed fully and entirely upon the sum-total of the wicked, not merely a percentage of them. This group that is referred to as “they” who “shall not escape” relates to the aggregate Christ-rejecting community alive at His return. They are later described as those who are “of the night” and “of darkness.” It is they alone that experience immediate and “sudden destruction” which “cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child”; and “they shall [assuredly] not escape.” This climactic event pulls down the curtain on time and concludes the affairs of this life.

Okay apparently your answer is “Jesus comes as a thief in the night”....
And apparently according to you when He comes there is sudden destruction...OF ALL the Wicked.


You have many holes in your tightly wrapped up view;

 

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I am going to take them one at a time. It will show the reader who takes Scripture literal or not and who is adding unto Scripture or not.

I Thessalonians 5:2-7 the enormity of this climactic event: “the day of the Lord will come (or appear or arrive) as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”

I own Bibles.

1. Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2)?
2. Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
3. Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?

LITERALLY? Why do you feel the need to add your word LITERALLY?
I have ALREADY clearly expressed my view that ALL SCRIPTURE IS TRUE.

1 Thes 5:
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Yes, I believe WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS...
Yes, I believe the Lord comes without warning.

Have you figured WHO “the Lord” is?
Have you figured WHAT “comes as a thief in the night means” ?
Have you figured WHERE “the Lord comes FROM...TO?” And WHEN?

1 Thes 5:
3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Yes, I believe WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS...
Yes, I believe WHEN “they are comfortably content”....”without warning” sudden destruction shall come upon THEM.

Have you figured out WHO “THEY are”?
Have you figured out WHAT “peace and safety” means?
Have you figured out WHEN “THEY say Peace and Safety”?
Have you figured out WHY “THEY are content in Peace and Safety”?

1 Thes 5:
3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Yes, I believe WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS...
THEY shall not escape.


Now are you going to continue to reveal your reputation and GASLIGHT saying I don’t believe everything I just said I believe?