Another Premillennial absurdity

[WPM]

Noah, plus 7 others....ENTERED the ARK SEVEN DAYS BEFORE;
the first drop of rain fell.

God SHUT the door to the ark.

God SENT DOWN from Heaven, His Tribulations, Wrath, Destruction upon the face of the Earth.

RAIN from Heaven Fell.

Water from UNDER the Earth was released.

ALL on the FACE of the EARTH, Were drowned, killed, dead.

ALL the SAVED IN the ark were RISEN UP Above the Face of the Earth.

ALL the SAVED IN the ark were RISEN UP “SO” High, above the mountain tops, they were “IN” the CLOUDS.

ONCE GOD restored the EARTH...(you do know Earth IS DRY LAND...eh?)
God RETURNED the ARK and the SAVED, TO the Earth.

Nothing NEW, what WAS shall be Again.
According to Gods Understanding and Wisdom.

IF you are amiss in Gods Understanding and Wisdom....

The “SEVEN” before Gods tribulation will mean nothing to you.
The SAVED “IN” the ARK will mean nothing to you.
God SHUTTING “the DOOR”, will mean nothing to you.
God “LIFTING above the Earth” to the CLOUDS His SAVED, will mean nothing to you.
God “DESTROYING the EARTH” and the Wicked upon the FACE of the Earth, will mean nothing to you.
God “RETURNING the ARK WITH the SAVED” to Earth, will mean nothing to you.
God “RESTORING” the Earth, will mean nothing to you.
God “WITH” His people forever, will mean nothing to you.

If you do not know OR understand what was...nor will you know or understand what shall be.

You cannot even answer simple questions because it demolishes your theology. This is why it should be rejected by all Bible students.

Firstly, God did not shut Noah and his family up in safety in the ark for 7 days as you have been taught. God gave Noah 7 days notice – allowing him to fill the ark with his family and the animals, saying, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth" (Genesis 7:4).

7 days notice until the rain comes!!! God then closed the ark and the floods immediately came and destroyed all the wicked. Jesus said, “the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:27).

Whilst all the wicked are swept away in this flood when the ark closed, the rain continued pouring down for 40 days. What is more, the water remained on the earth 150 days in total until the ark rested on Ararat.

 

[WPM]

Seriously? What happens to a man under water without air to breath?

Exactly. There were no survivors. That is what happens when Jesus comes. Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
How many wicked survived in Sodom?

You know, in both of these examples, all the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed. So will it be when He appears. All the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed, so will it be when He appears.

It is both the suddenness and the scale of the destruction happening that is enlightening for the end-time Bible student.

The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath. The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.

 

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Exactly. There were no survivors. That is what happens when Jesus comes. Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
How many wicked survived in Sodom?

You know, in both of these examples, all the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed. So will it be when He appears. All the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed, so will it be when He appears.

It is both the suddenness and the scale of the destruction happening that is enlightening for the end-time Bible student.

The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath. The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.

Your gospel has the WICKED surviving, which is FALSE.

Gods Truth is the Son of Man reaps the EARTH....SAVES WHOM HE Pleases...
(And your Carnal Mind has you in a tizzy Because the Son of Man KEEPS, non-converted, mortal BELIEVING men alive....boo hoo).
AND sits in His Kingdom, with Title, with Power, with His Saints and WITH Authority over the World, including BELIEVING mortals, in their own kingdoms.

Nowhere does Scripture teach the Lord God SAVES the WICKED!

You obviously do not comprehend the DIFFERENCE between a BELIEVER and a CONVERT. (But then why would you, your Carnal Mind guides you.)

Rom 9:
[15] For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

OOPS...you do not get to decide WHOM God saves, IN their mortal flesh, or IN their Converted flesh.

AND FYI...God saving 8 BELIEVING MORTALS....no different...than the Lord SAVING as many BELIEVING mortals AS He Chooses to repopulate the earth!!!

Your Carnal Minded understanding is still failing you.

 

[WPM]

Your gospel has the WICKED surviving, which is FALSE.

Gods Truth is the Son of Man reaps the EARTH....SAVES WHOM HE Pleases...
(And your Carnal Mind has you in a tizzy Because the Son of Man KEEPS, non-converted, mortal BELIEVING men alive....boo hoo).
AND sits in His Kingdom, with Title, with Power, with His Saints and WITH Authority over the World, including BELIEVING mortals, in their own kingdoms.

Nowhere does Scripture teach the Lord God SAVES the WICKED!

You obviously do not comprehend the DIFFERENCE between a BELIEVER and a CONVERT. (But then why would you, your Carnal Mind guides you.)

Rom 9:
[15] For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

OOPS...you do not get to decide WHOM God saves, IN their mortal flesh, or IN their Converted flesh.

AND FYI...God saving 8 BELIEVING MORTALS....no different...than the Lord SAVING as many BELIEVING mortals AS He Chooses to repopulate the earth!!!

Your Carnal Minded understanding is still failing you.

More lies! There are no survivors when Jesus comes. It is you that rewards the wicked when Jesus comes. They continue and prosper in your imaginary 7-year trib and future millennium. It is your gospel that has the wicked surviving, which is false.

The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Repeated Scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. After showing us the destruction of this earth, the works that are in it, the heavens, the elements when Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked, Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). See also Romans 2:4. He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13, 28:19-20 and Act 3:19-21).

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalm 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

 

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@WPM

Hey, did you ever see the SECULAR movie, NOAH?

And the thousands of ANIMALS portrayed entering the ARK? LOL

God created “KINDS” of animals.
And God instructed Noah and his family to enter the ARK.
And God instructed Noah to take INTO the ARK...


[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

The “KINDS” of the Beasts of the Earth...ARE Wild animals of “THEIR KIND”. clean and not clean.

The “KINDS” of the Beasts of the Earth...ARE also LIVESTOCK, broadly called CATTLE....of “THEIR KIND”

AND...small animals...of “THEIR KIND”.

AND...fouls...of “THEIR KIND”.

NOT thousands of snakes and elephants and such as a Secular movie portrays.

NOAH did not go out of the ARK searching for, rounding up animals...
NOAH PREPARED places IN the ARK FOR the “KINDS” of animals he would take with him....

Ya think the animals were of brilliant minds, that they knew, which Level, or which stall, NOAH had Prepared for them? Lol

No, Noah took the Animals to their PREPARED places IN the ARK.

Once ALL were IN the ARK, God shut the door, and SEVEN days later, the RAIN began to fall.

Yes it rained 40 days and 40 nights.....AND YES....Water from IN the Earth was opened to ADD MORE water upon the Earth.

And YES......Noah and the other 7 were ALL “RIGHTEOUS BELIEVING” MORTAL MEN, lifted up off the earth, SAVED and returned to the Earth, to repopulate the Earth.

 

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More lies! There are no survivors when Jesus comes. It is you that rewards the wicked when Jesus comes. They continue and prosper in your imaginary 7-year trib and future millennium. It is your gospel that has the wicked surviving, which is false.

The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Repeated Scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. After showing us the destruction of this earth, the works that are in it, the heavens, the elements when Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked, Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). See also Romans 2:4. He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13, 28:19-20 and Act 3:19-21).

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalm 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

DUH....Salvation IS SAVING of MORTALS who DIE IN BELIEF!
DUH....The Lord SAVES WHOM HE PLEASES!
DUH....DID you miss it....God saved mortal men to repopulate the earth!
DUH....Nothing new, what was shall be AGAIN!
DUH....1,000 years of mortal men, being born, living, dying....AND YOU have DECIDED....the Lord IS LIMITED....and CAN NOT CONVERT and SAVE mortals who mortally physically die IN BELIEF any time DURING the Lords 1,000 yr reign?

WOW....you assume greater authority OVER the KING, of the whole world?
ASTOUNDING!

It must really irritate you .... that God SAVED 8 MORTAL men the first time God destroyed the Earth...

Tsk, Tsk...

 

[WPM]

@WPM

Hey, did you ever see the SECULAR movie, NOAH?

And the thousands of ANIMALS portrayed entering the ARK? LOL

God created “KINDS” of animals.
And God instructed Noah and his family to enter the ARK.
And God instructed Noah to take INTO the ARK...


[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
[2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

The “KINDS” of the Beasts of the Earth...ARE Wild animals of “THEIR KIND”. clean and not clean.

The “KINDS” of the Beasts of the Earth...ARE also LIVESTOCK, broadly called CATTLE....of “THEIR KIND”

AND...small animals...of “THEIR KIND”.

AND...fouls...of “THEIR KIND”.

NOT thousands of snakes and elephants and such as a Secular movie portrays.

NOAH did not go out of the ARK searching for, rounding up animals...
NOAH PREPARED places IN the ARK FOR the “KINDS” of animals he would take with him....

Ya think the animals were of brilliant minds, that they knew, which Level, or which stall, NOAH had Prepared for them? Lol

No, Noah took the Animals to their PREPARED places IN the ARK.

Once ALL were IN the ARK, God shut the door, and SEVEN days later, the RAIN began to fall.

Yes it rained 40 days and 40 nights.....AND YES....Water from IN the Earth was opened to ADD MORE water upon the Earth.

And YES......Noah and the other 7 were ALL “RIGHTEOUS BELIEVING” MORTAL MEN, lifted up off the earth, SAVED and returned to the Earth, to repopulate the Earth.

Jesus said in Luke 17:26-30, “as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.”

How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
How many wicked survived in Sodom?

You know, in both of these examples, all the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed. So will it be when He appears. All the elect were immediately and totally rescued and all the wicked were immediately and totally destroyed, so will it be when He appears.

It is both the suddenness and the scale of the destruction happening that is enlightening for the end-time Bible student.

The plain focus of this teaching in Luke 17 (reference Noah and Lot’s day) is the nature and degree of the judgment that befell the wicked in these two familiar Old Testament stories and especially the extent of that particular wrath. The key element and major emphasis of this discourse is the fact (speaking of the ungodly) that God “destroyed them all.” The comprehensive destruction of the wicked in both of these examples is the important lesson of the narrative; both the whole world of Noah’s day and the whole individual city of Sodom in Lot’s day saw the immediate and complete rescue of the entire righteous coupled together with the immediate and complete destruction of the entire wicked.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3 confirms this saying: “we which are alive and remain unto the coming (parousia) of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

This coming is not only sudden but noisy. Christ is not coming secretly with an apologetic whisper but publicly with a triumphant shout. He appears with “with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God.” This trumpet will sound and bring forth the elect from all nations. I Thessalonians 5:2-7 confirms that it isn’t just Christ’s coming that is sudden but also the destruction that accompanies. Likening Christ’s return to “a thief in the night” capably serves to impress the surprising nature of this Coming for the lost. It shows that the wicked are caught abruptly in their folly at the apocalypse. The “sudden destruction” is so impactful that none escape. That is explicit in the narrative. The wicked are totally and completely destroyed, allowing no room for the Pretrib theory of a subsequent 7yrs trib.

II Thessalonians 1:4-10 records: “we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire (1) taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (2) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.”

The Holy Spirit could hardly have made this more water-tight: men either know God or they don't. To know God is eternal life (John 17:3). This was also the case in Noah and Lot's day. Nothing has changed. If humans know Him, they are rescued at His return, if they do not know Him, they are destroyed. Simple! Premils have no problems with this reality when it comes to Noah and Lot's day. They only get awkward and pedantic when it comes to the second coming, because it negates their doctrine. They feel the need to diminish the scale and timing of the destruction in order to populate their alleged future millennial earth.

There is an awful reward for the Christ-rejecter – this will come on that final last day when all will stand before the throne of God and receive their judgment. There, the living and the dead will receive their just reward. Whilst the persecutors and mockers are being destroyed and sent to hell, believers will be ushered into eternal “rest.” The tribulation that they have concentrated upon the righteous will be turned on the perpetrators. The Holy Spirit tells us that Christ appears at His Coming “in flaming fire” with the intention of taking “vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Revelation 16:15-21: “Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”

This is the end of the age and the end of the world! When Christ returns He destroys all the wicked. You reward the wicked by letting them inherit the new earth, Scripture forbids that. Because Premil has nothing to corroborate its belief in the Scriptures, it has to pitch its tent in the OT and take Scripture that pertains to the old covenant or new covenant and dump it in some alleged future millennium.

 

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The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalm 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Christ Jesus’ Earthly Kingdom....IS NOT the LAND mass of the WHOLE world.
Do you NOT know the boundaries of His KINGDOM....?
And the EXPRESS Length of TIME for that AGE?

Eh, probably not, because I expressly told you, but eh, you skim Gods Truth and keep yoked and content with your Carnal understanding.

The AGE to come ...... with NO MORTALS....is AFTER Christ Jesus’ REIGN.
THAT AGE to come.....IS Gods KINGDOM....
................IS LAND MASS of the ENTIRE...EARTH.

Sheesh...WHY don’t you follow, bit by bit, step by step....Gods Order and Way?

You should have paid attention, instead of being so .... uh, what was that word God used....oh yes.......STIFFNECKED!

 

[WPM]

Christ Jesus’ Earthly Kingdom....IS NOT the LAND mass of the WHOLE world.
Do you NOT know the boundaries of His KINGDOM....?
And the EXPRESS Length of TIME for that AGE?

Eh, probably not, because I expressly told you, but eh, you skim Gods Truth and keep yoked and content with your Carnal understanding.

The AGE to come ...... with NO MORTALS....is AFTER Christ Jesus’ REIGN.
THAT AGE to come.....IS Gods KINGDOM....
................IS LAND MASS of the ENTIRE...EARTH.

Sheesh...WHY don’t you follow, bit by bit, step by step....Gods Order and Way?

You should have paid attention, instead of being so .... uh, what was that word God used....oh yes.......STIFFNECKED!

You talk some nonsense.

 

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@WPM

Fact is...you are as you choose to be...and that’s okay with me...FREEWILL!

However...you should heed the WARNING in Scripture, because your Carnal Minded thinking and understanding is a stumbling block unto you, and does nothing for those whom you entice to join in with you stumbling about.

 

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You talk some nonsense.

Thank you....:)
I was suspect....however...
Always good to know straight out, who is and is not my brother IN Christ.

Glory to God...

 

[WPM]

@WPM

Fact is...you are as you choose to be...and that’s okay with me...FREEWILL!

However...you should heed the WARNING in Scripture, because your Carnal Minded thinking and understanding is a stumbling block unto you, and does nothing for those whom you entice to join in with you stumbling about.

How about accepting the scriptural text instead of always voicing personal opinions? This is getting old.

 

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How about accepting the scriptural text instead of always voicing personal opinions? This is getting old.

You have been given Scriptural Text, AND your response to the text?...NIL.


Broadly, I feel sorry for you...
But personally, your attacks meant to anger me, I find amusing and laughable.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, the Earth is not Destroyed when the Son of Man Returns.
No, the Earth is not Destroyed when Christ Returns.

Your Claims Are "False"

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[WPM]

You have been given Scriptural Text, AND your response to the text?...NIL.


Broadly, I feel sorry for you...
But personally, your attacks meant to anger me, I find amusing and laughable.

The reader can see who is embracing the biblical detail and who is fighting it. They can see who is contradicting themselves. Your posts are all over the place. You do not seem to know what you believe. You admit that there is no rapture or 7-year trib in Revelation. Where is your 3rd coming in Revelation? Or is it not in Revelation either. Where is all this in the rest of Scripture? Nowhere! it belongs in the Left Behind novels.

 

[WPM]

Your Claims Are "False"

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

How can anyone survive this?

 

[WPM]

Thank you....:)
I was suspect....however...
Always good to know straight out, who is and is not my brother IN Christ.

Glory to God...

Oh, so agreeing with you is now the litmus test to being a child of God. As I previously said, you really do talk nonsense. You are full of yourself.

 

[jeffweeder]

Thank you....:)
I was suspect....however...
Always good to know straight out, who is and is not my brother IN Christ.

Glory to God...

God knows those who are his, and you clearly haven't got a clue Taken.
Thank God.

 

[WPM]

I asked:

"Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?"

You replied:

QUESTION 1...yes
QUESTION 2...yes
QUESTION 3...yes
QUESTION 4...yes
QUESTION 5...yes
QUESTION 6...yes
QUESTION 7...yes
QUESTION 8...yes

You then did a complete U-turn when I exposed your answers:

@WPM

No, the Earth is not Destroyed when the Son of Man Returns.
No, the Earth is not Destroyed when Christ Returns.
The Lord gathers Christ’s Church UP to Him FROM Earth TO the Clouds.
The Lamb sends to Earth His Wrath and Tribulations.
The Lamb sends out Satan, his minions, with great powers.
Satan roams about making False anti-God promises of peace.
Satan claims to be God.
Satan faces mortals who reject him.
Satan Makes war, death, destruction upon the Earth and Mortals Against him.
Gods sends two witnesses (with powers) for JEWS in Jerusalem.
God summons ISREAL tribes to Mt Zion.
God sends the Lamb and 144,000 ISRAEL tribesmen to Preach to ISRAEL.
Gods Faithful PEOPLE ISRAEL are saved.
Satan Kills, wars, destroys mortals, Against him.
The Son of Man, is seen (by ALL) sitting on a White Cloud.
The Son of Man, REAPS the Earth, Killing the anti-Gods, KEEPING ALIVE,
A REMNANT of BELIEVING but non-converted MORTALS.

Why should anyone take you serious? One post contradicts another. This is ridiculous. You change by the hour.

 

[Taken]

Your Claims Are "False"

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

Rev 20:
[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Thanks for sharing that does not include you.