Last day prophecies fulfilled

[Robert Gwin]

Again, you refer to what I have been telling you as "opinion", after I have again testified to the fact that it is not. You do not believe me, because you have also not believed all that Christ said that is now written, but only believe part.

So be it.

My response was because I always do my utmost to tell the truth sir. When you are quoting Scripture you are stating truth, as long as you do not use an altered passage, but when you speak, it is opinion and may or may not be truth, that is the truth sir.

 

[ScottA]

My response was because I always do my utmost to tell the truth sir. When you are quoting Scripture you are stating truth, as long as you do not use an altered passage, but when you speak, it is opinion and may or may not be truth, that is the truth sir.

No, that is not biblical (and you should correct your stance on it).

Mark 13:11​

But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.​

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2 Peter 1:21​

for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.​

 

[Robert Gwin]

No, that is not biblical (and you should correct your stance on it).

Mark 13:11​

But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.​

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2 Peter 1:21​

for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.​

Do you understand that Jesus was speaking only to his apostles who would become anointed soon Scott? That being true of the second scripture you posted. If you are an anointed Christian, then I would believe what you say, but an anointed Christian would never "like" a false statement such as this sir:
Technically, the Apostle John did that.
I just believed them (John and Thomas).

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[ScottA]

Do you understand that Jesus was speaking only to his apostles who would become anointed soon Scott? That being true of the second scripture you posted. If you are an anointed Christian, then I would believe what you say, but an anointed Christian would never "like" a false statement such as this sir:
Technically, the Apostle John did that.
I just believed them (John and Thomas).

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The scriptures do not say "Jesus was speaking only to his apostles", but rather to His disciples.

As for your comment regarding "liking a false statement", it would appear to be someone else who did that rather than myself.

As for being "an anointed Christian", if having been caught up in the Spirit by God is an anointing by God, then believe it or not, for this regards what you yourself believe.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The scriptures do not say "Jesus was speaking only to his apostles", but rather to His disciples.

As for your comment regarding "liking a false statement", it would appear to be someone else who did that rather than myself.

As for being "an anointed Christian", if having been caught up in the Spirit by God is an anointing by God, then believe it or not, for this regards what you yourself believe.

Of course the Apostles were his disciples sir, but it was only them he was speaking to, he was not speaking to the crowds or anyone else there, just them. Why would you debate the truth of what was stated, with a simple word understanding that is totally irrelevant?

 

[ScottA]

Of course the Apostles were his disciples sir, but it was only them he was speaking to, he was not speaking to the crowds or anyone else there, just them. Why would you debate the truth of what was stated, with a simple word understanding that is totally irrelevant?

It says "disciples"--you said "apostles." You were wrong.

But you are also not being reasonable. If you want to claim Jesus was only speaking to His apostles--that too confirms my position, for the word simply means a "messenger" or "one sent." Therefore, I have told you that I have not been giving you my "opinion" but rather the truth from God...while the truth is, you do not know whether He has sent me or not, but have made your own "opinion" equal to what I have told you, simply because you "do not agree." Which is fine. I even asked you if you do not want to hear what I have told you is the truth from God. But you have made it a standoff of would-be "opinion" by speaking against the spirit of God in me....which, granted, is an often abused claim. Nonetheless, God has not stopped sending people out with messages from Him, and to categorically dismiss those you "do not agree" with calling it "opinion", is indeed against those sent and against the Holy Spirit whom Christ has sent for revelations during these times.

 

[Robert Gwin]

It says "disciples"--you said "apostles." You were wrong.

But you are also not being reasonable. If you want to claim Jesus was only speaking to His apostles--that too confirms my position, for the word simply means a "messenger" or "one sent." Therefore, I have told you that I have not been giving you my "opinion" but rather the truth from God...while the truth is, you do not know whether He has sent me or not, but have made your own "opinion" equal to what I have told you, simply because you "do not agree." Which is fine. I even asked you if you do not want to hear what I have told you is the truth from God. But you have made it a standoff of would-be "opinion" by speaking against the spirit of God in me....which, granted, is an often abused claim. Nonetheless, God has not stopped sending people out with messages from Him, and to categorically dismiss those you "do not agree" with calling it "opinion", is indeed against those sent and against the Holy Spirit whom Christ has sent for revelations during these times.

If you don't believe me Scott, believe the Bible sir:
(Mark 13:3, 4) . . .As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives with the temple in view, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately: 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are to come to a conclusion?”
You are acting like the ones Jesus said this to sir: (Matthew 23:24) . . .who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!
You completely missed the point of the message for a perceived word discrepancy.

 

[ScottA]

If you don't believe me Scott, believe the Bible sir:
(Mark 13:3, 4) . . .As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives with the temple in view, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked him privately: 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are to come to a conclusion?”
You are acting like the ones Jesus said this to sir: (Matthew 23:24) . . .who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!
You completely missed the point of the message for a perceived word discrepancy.

Now you bring another passage with accusations.

But what was Jesus' answer?

• He spoke of things that have always occurred, saying "Take heed that no one deceives you."
• He spoke of the dangers they would see in taking the gospel to the ends of the earth, saying "but the end is not yet."
• Then He marked the [actual] "end" as "when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,"--not saying that it was the same end He spoke of before, because He told them to flee rather than endure. Thus, there are two different ends that He spoke which are not the same. The "end" then that is His coming, and for which He is called "The End", is that one marked by the sign of the "abomination of desolation." Which I submit is not the religious figure that has been imagined "standing where it ought not”--which is to say, in the Temple. Which Temple is clarified in the scriptures, not as being of stone, but rather, as it is written, "He was speaking of the temple of His body." And what of "His body"--who is it, but the church? All of what is written therefore, reveals rather that the anti-Christ that was "already at work" entered "where it ought not" refers rather to the "end" and His coming as beginning at that time marked by those of the anti-Christ spirit entering into the church--the point being...that "end" of Jesus' return was "already at work" following all tribulation being put upon Christ which would was never be again, bringing on "the beginning of sorrows" and a time of "enduring to the [other] end" that He also spoke of when the times would be "as the days of Noah", when people were blind to what was actually coming--not over 2,000 years, but 40 days. And then He ascended.

But if that does not turn on any lights...go and by oil, and I will leave you alone.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Now you bring another passage with accusations.

But what was Jesus' answer?

• He spoke of things that have always occurred, saying "Take heed that no one deceives you."
• He spoke of the dangers they would see in taking the gospel to the ends of the earth, saying "but the end is not yet."
• Then He marked the [actual] "end" as "when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,"--not saying that it was the same end He spoke of before, because He told them to flee rather than endure. Thus, there are two different ends that He spoke which are not the same. The "end" then that is His coming, and for which He is called "The End", is that one marked by the sign of the "abomination of desolation." Which I submit is not the religious figure that has been imagined "standing where it ought not”--which is to say, in the Temple. Which Temple is clarified in the scriptures, not as being of stone, but rather, as it is written, "He was speaking of the temple of His body." And what of "His body"--who is it, but the church? All of what is written therefore, reveals rather that the anti-Christ that was "already at work" entered "where it ought not" refers rather to the "end" and His coming as beginning at that time marked by those of the anti-Christ spirit entering into the church--the point being...that "end" of Jesus' return was "already at work" following all tribulation being put upon Christ which would was never be again, bringing on "the beginning of sorrows" and a time of "enduring to the [other] end" that He also spoke of when the times would be "as the days of Noah", when people were blind to what was actually coming--not over 2,000 years, but 40 days. And then He ascended.

But if that does not turn on any lights...go and by oil, and I will leave you alone.

Just simple truth Scott, you wanted to argue about words, when you likely knew I was correct all the time. So I simply gave you the truth from the Bible. So with your diversion I even forgot what the topic was, but I don't think you are interested in the answer anyway, but in case you are, I would be more than happy to continue the conversation, what is your question sir, and I will be glad to respond.

 

[ScottA]

Just simple truth Scott, you wanted to argue about words, when you likely knew I was correct all the time. So I simply gave you the truth from the Bible. So with your diversion I even forgot what the topic was, but I don't think you are interested in the answer anyway, but in case you are, I would be more than happy to continue the conversation, what is your question sir, and I will be glad to respond.

Again you turn things around. I do not have a question. You said only time will tell indicating you could not actually answer, and I have given you the answer to the question of when Jesus would return, after you were pressed and revealed that is what is keeping you from believing all truth compared to the partial truth you have presented and believe.

But it's enough, I already have filled in the missing pieces and you have rejected the whole truth. I'm not going to keep doing this. So, no, I don't have any questions, and you won't admit that you do. So if and when you do, you can ask.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Most of us believe we are living in the last days, and several prophecies are to be fulfilled during that time period. Have you observed any of the prophecies for the last days being fulfilled? What are you observing that is being fulfilled?

2 Thessalonians 2:5-12
For the first time in history, mankind does not affirm the concept of an objective truth.

 

[Robert Gwin]

2 Thessalonians 2:5-12
For the first time in history, mankind does not affirm the concept of an objective truth.

For sure, but unfortunately each one believing they are righteous will apply that to all others, especially towards God's people as they are a distinct minority of the populace. Just like people using altered passages from multiple versions to prove they are correct because more versions must be correct. I used to do the same thing before I became a Christian.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Can you show us the prophesy you refer to about Israel being called back to the land?

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Isaiah 11:10-12

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10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

(Zech. 10:8-10 NASB) “I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them; And they will be as numerous as they were before. 9“When I scatter them among the peoples, They will remember Me in far countries, And they with their children will live and come back. 10“I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them.

And also Ez. 37

 

[dad]

Ezekiel 20:33-38​

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King James Version​

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

The context is in verse

Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

That has nothing to do with 1948.
Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord , as the waters cover the sea.
Isaiah 11:10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isaiah 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

This day is not that day. So those verses do not apply.

(Zech. 10:8-10 NASB) “I will whistle for them to gather them together, For I have redeemed them; And they will be as numerous as they were before. 9“When I scatter them among the peoples, They will remember Me in far countries, And they with their children will live and come back. 10“I will bring them back from the land of Egypt And gather them from Assyria; And I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon Until no room can be found for them.​

Zechariah 10:5
And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the Lord is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.

Zechariah 10:6
And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the Lord their God, and will hear them.

There is no possibility that verse applies to the secular nation in Israel today.That speaks of the time when the repent and are saved and the Lord is with them. Sounds like the very end of the tribulation to me.

The Lord will hear them when they are saved.
Zechariah 10:8
I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.

They are not redeemed now, obviously.

And also Ez. 37

Ezekiel 37:13
And ye shall know that I am the Lord , when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

That was not 1948.

Nor this..
Ezekiel 37:14
And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord .

That is after the remnant are saved.

Ezekiel 37:22
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
Ezekiel 37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

There is no possibility that happened in 1948 or any other time.

Ezekiel 37:24
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.




None of the chapters or verses you cite have anything at all to do with 1948. Is that it?

 

[dad]

Do you understand that Jesus was speaking only to his apostles who would become anointed soon Scott? That being true of the second scripture you posted. If you are an anointed Christian, then I would believe what you say, but an anointed Christian would never "like" a false statement such as this sir:
Technically, the Apostle John did that.
I just believed them (John and Thomas).

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Hie words are not only to his apostles. There are applications to other times and people. Jesus said other sheep have I that are NOT of this fold. He sent His words from heaven for all of us. Looking at a quick link as to when the apostles died, most of them died before the New Testament was said to have been written at the earliest! If you were correct then Jesus inspired His words to exclusivly address the dead rather than the living!

 

[rwb]

Yes sir, most people are taking no note just like the days of Noah. Of course the son of man has not came yet. The man of sin has already been revealed, and wars and rumors of wars, was not a sign of the last days, but Jesus contrasted it with a big war, we believe that was fulfilled with WW#1

Don't you mean the son of man has not yet come the second time? The son of man, called Jesus, the promised Messiah the prophets of old foretell would come has indeed already come. Perhaps that's a problem for many who profess Christ? Still, like Orthodox Jews, awaiting the coming of the promised Messiah, instead of understanding He has already come in His day/age/time. The fact that Christ has come, just as the prophets of old foretell He would is positive, and indisputable proof the prophecies foretold to come in these last days are being fulfilled just as they are written of old.

 

[rwb]

Another fulfillment of prophesy we can look to as proof we are living in the last days is Pentecost. The outpouring of the Holly Spirit upon all who were there was fulfilled at Pentecost just as the prophet Joel foretells. Since we have no doubt the prophesy of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit came just as Joel foretells it would, we can also know with certainty that in these last days, since the advent of Christ, all the prophets foretell of Christ will also be fulfilled in this Messianic Gospel age.

Joel 2:27-29 (KJV) And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Isaiah 12:4-6 (KJV) And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted. Sing unto the LORD; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth. Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.

Acts 2:1-2 (KJV) And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Acts 2:4-5 (KJV) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:16-21 (KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hie words are not only to his apostles. There are applications to other times and people. Jesus said other sheep have I that are NOT of this fold. He sent His words from heaven for all of us. Looking at a quick link as to when the apostles died, most of them died before the New Testament was said to have been written at the earliest! If you were correct then Jesus inspired His words to exclusivly address the dead rather than the living!

Hi Dad, can't remember if I have spoken to you before, but thanks for your reply sir. It was Jesus apostles who God used to pen all the books of the New Testament sir, so they were very much alive. Jesus was speaking only to his apostles in that account we were discussing, but yes many of his words do in fact apply to those other sheep as well.

 

[dad]

Hi Dad, can't remember if I have spoken to you before, but thanks for your reply sir. It was Jesus apostles who God used to pen all the books of the New Testament sir, so they were very much alive. Jesus was speaking only to his apostles in that account we were discussing, but yes many of his words do in fact apply to those other sheep as well.

The issue is who was (what Jesus saying) primarily directed at. The answer is people that would come after, as well as those in the end time.. The folks in the end time.

Mark 13:7

And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

What wars and rumours of wars regarding the end did the apostles see in the few decades they were to live??

Mark 13:8
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

That did not apply to the apostles He spoke to in that day. Was there a rash of earthquakes that week or in their life times there? Notice it also talked about divers places, and not Israel.

Yes the part (and Jesus even used the word 'yourselves' there, about being delivered to synagogues applied to them. It also applied to other people later of course.

The context for the chapter though is clearly focused on the very end.

Mark 13:10
And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

There is no possibility that you can claim that this happened in the days of those alive then that He was talking to/through. This clearly pins it to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Again the time is clear in this verse.

Also crystal clear here --
Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Mark 13:19
For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

That is crystal clear. The final Tribulation. Etc

You may not try to limit what Jesus was talking about to the time and people alive during the prophesy! That is ridiculous and clearly not what the verses say or suggest in any way.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The context is in verse

Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

That has nothing to do with 1948.
Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord , as the waters cover the sea.
Isaiah 11:10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isaiah 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

This day is not that day. So those verses do not apply.



Zechariah 10:5
And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the Lord is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.

Zechariah 10:6
And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the Lord their God, and will hear them.

There is no possibility that verse applies to the secular nation in Israel today.That speaks of the time when the repent and are saved and the Lord is with them. Sounds like the very end of the tribulation to me.

The Lord will hear them when they are saved.
Zechariah 10:8
I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.

They are not redeemed now, obviously.




Ezekiel 37:13
And ye shall know that I am the Lord , when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

That was not 1948.

Nor this..
Ezekiel 37:14
And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord .

That is after the remnant are saved.

Ezekiel 37:22
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
Ezekiel 37:23
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

There is no possibility that happened in 1948 or any other time.

Ezekiel 37:24
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.




None of the chapters or verses you cite have anything at all to do with 1948. Is that it?

Well as you are looking for everything to happen all at once- you will never see it on this planet or in time. God is gathering Israel back to its land in his anger, to pass them under the rod of His judgment and to purge out the rebel from their midst! Just because it is taking time- you seem to think it can't be God! but it is. There are over 10,000 Messianic congregations in Israel when I went in 2016. All according to prophecy.

And to add to the mix, Russia with a series of allies will invade Israel in the not too distant future and fulfill Ez. 38-39