Question: Why not believe in Christ's millennial reign on earth?

[bbyrd009]

1 Cor 15.

when you no longer seek Death, More Abundantly i might interpret that chapter for you; or someone else might, whatever
right now you would not hear it wadr

 

[Randy Kluth]

when you no longer seek Death, More Abundantly i might interpret that chapter for you; or someone else might, whatever
right now you would not hear it wadr

since you fail to acknowledge that nobody seeks death abundantly, I've lost interest...

 

[Randy Kluth]

oh heck no; i am frequently mistaken, and seek better wisdom

so you say, yes
and nevermind all those warnings about scribes xlating what we want to hear, right?

and yet you cannot Quote "Jesus, returning" one single time, from OT or new
hmm

try a synonym for "return"

 

[Randy Kluth]

the irony of someone stating that something from "God's Word" when "the Bible" is what was meant cannot be understated imo

but if you wanna have a little fun, ill show you a secret; state something that is "clear" to you, from the Bible, if you like
but you arent gonna like this, ok
short answer, the Bible says ezackly the opposite thing too!

I have no wish to engage in unserious discussions with unbelievers, thank you

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not looking for "hugs"--just looking for honesty and good Christian character. It's not what I need--it's what the Scripture demands of us, delivering a message and also being that message.

"National Salvation For Israel" Is Sci-Fi Found No Place In Scripture, With All Love, Kindness, And Respect :)

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Randy Kluth]

"National Salvation For Israel" Is Sci-Fi Found No Place In Scripture, With All Love, Kindness, And Respect :)

Jesus Is The Lord

Saying my belief in Israel's National Salvation is "Sci Fi" is not only disrespectful, but it lacks genuine hugs. ;)
I've pointed out numerous times--more times than you can count, that the Bible promotes the final deliverance of Israel from her enemies. That is her National Salvation. It is the Jewish Hope. It is the Abrahamic Promise. It is the thing guaranteed by the Prophets to the Nation Israel. It is also what Jesus assented to when asked when it would happen in Acts 1.

Nowhere in the Bible? You're not serious! ;)

 

[Truth7t7]

Saying my belief in Israel's National Salvation is "Sci Fi" is not only disrespectful, but it lacks genuine hugs. ;)
I've pointed out numerous times--more times than you can count, that the Bible promotes the final deliverance of Israel from her enemies. That is her National Salvation. It is the Jewish Hope. It is the Abrahamic Promise. It is the thing guaranteed by the Prophets to the Nation Israel. It is also what Jesus assented to when asked when it would happen in Acts 1.

Nowhere in the Bible? You're not serious! ;)

I Strongly Disagree

"National Salvation For Israel" Is Sci-Fi Found No Place In Scripture, With All Love, Kindness, And Respect :)

Jesus Is The Lord

Romans 11:6-7KJV
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm not SDA, but I'm not dead set on the idea of the immortal saints ruling with Christ from heaven. It's just my own theory. It's only because I can't see immortal saints sharing the earth with mortal sinners--

What about the camp of the saints being near Jerusalem in Rev 20? The mortal sinners come from places on the Earth and surround the camp and the camp of saints are immortal saints because they became immortal at the second coming. That proves immortals will share the Earth with non-immortals.

Also, just like Pre-trib, there is not one single verse saying Jesus returns from Heaven then goes back to heaven. Clearly the events are Jesus leaving heaven and eventually ending up on the Earth where he makes his home for eternity with his Father (many verses show that)

 

[bbyrd009]

since you fail to acknowledge that nobody seeks death abundantly, I've lost interest...

thank Yah for small favors i guess, what

 

[bbyrd009]

try a synonym for "return"

man, you are certainly free to go with that if you like bro
i mean if Return to Me, and I will return to you doesnt sway you, my feeling is that if Yah Himself came down from On High and dragged you kicking and screaming to revelation, it would not help you

There is only One Immortal
All go to the same place
We do not yet know what we will become (except for Randy K)
I came that you might have life, more abundantly

 

[bbyrd009]

I have no wish to engage in unserious discussions with unbelievers, thank you

thats what i thought :)
sceered i guess huh

 

[Randy Kluth]

thats what i thought :)
sceered i guess huh

I'm not afraid of unbelievers. But they should be afraid of God.

 

[Randy Kluth]

man, you are certainly free to go with that if you like bro
i mean if Return to Me, and I will return to you doesnt sway you, my feeling is that if Yah Himself came down from On High and dragged you kicking and screaming to revelation, it would not help you

There is only One Immortal
All go to the same place
We do not yet know what we will become (except for Randy K)
I came that you might have life, more abundantly

I have no idea what you're talking about? ;)

 

[Randy Kluth]

thank Yah for small favors i guess, what

You're welcome.

 

[Randy Kluth]

What about the camp of the saints being near Jerusalem in Rev 20? The mortal sinners come from places on the Earth and surround the camp and the camp of saints are immortal saints because they became immortal at the second coming. That proves immortals will share the Earth with non-immortals.

Also, just like Pre-trib, there is not one single verse saying Jesus returns from Heaven then goes back to heaven. Clearly the events are Jesus leaving heaven and eventually ending up on the Earth where he makes his home for eternity with his Father (many verses show that)

Your points are fine. As I said, it's just my opinion--not a major argument of mine. The New Jerusalem I feel comes down out of heaven at the end of the Millennium. That means the glorified saints must've gone back up to heaven after they came down with Christ to help him set up his Kingdom.

The camp of the saints at the end of the Millennium may consist of Millennial converts to Christianity who group together to fight off a major attack from satanic armies. It may be a city of particular importance, though not all cities.

Again, I don't know. When we don't know something we fill in the blanks with our imagination. But it is worth thinking about, I would guess?

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not afraid of unbelievers. But they should be afraid of God.

word

 

[bbyrd009]

I have no idea what you're talking about? ;)

seek and you will find?

 

[bbyrd009]

since you fail to acknowledge that nobody seeks death abundantly, I've lost interest...

my failures are Legion i guess, yeh

death, more abundantly
dang, i forgot that ipad wont allow search imports…anyway, i’d ignore the ones from CF, the meaty ones are prolly on the back page lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Your points are fine. As I said, it's just my opinion--not a major argument of mine. The New Jerusalem I feel comes down out of heaven at the end of the Millennium. That means the glorified saints must've gone back up to heaven after they came down with Christ to help him set up his Kingdom.

The camp of the saints at the end of the Millennium may consist of Millennial converts to Christianity who group together to fight off a major attack from satanic armies. It may be a city of particular importance, though not all cities.

Again, I don't know. When we don't know something we fill in the blanks with our imagination. But it is worth thinking about, I would guess?

brutal how the cult of sol hope for literal immortality colors every Christian concept, huh? truly,
The dead know nothing…

 

[ewq1938]

Your points are fine. As I said, it's just my opinion--not a major argument of mine. The New Jerusalem I feel comes down out of heaven at the end of the Millennium. That means the glorified saints must've gone back up to heaven after they came down with Christ to help him set up his Kingdom.

Yet not a word at all about that happening. It is the people of the Earth that need ruling for the Mill, and that is exactly where Jesus and the immortal saints rule from.

The camp of the saints at the end of the Millennium may consist of Millennial converts to Christianity who group together to fight off a major attack from satanic armies. It may be a city of particular importance, though not all cities.

The saints are the immortal believers that enter into the Mill to help rule with the rod of iron. Scripture is silent on the idea of converts during the Mill.




Again, I don't know. When we don't know something we fill in the blanks with our imagination. But it is worth thinking about, I would guess?