What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[RLT63]

Do you see the word God or LORD in Is 53 or is it referring to God's servant?

It is clearly a prophecy of Jesus. Even being buried with the wicked in a rich man's tomb. He bare the sins of many. He was wounded for out transgressions he was bruised for our iniquities the chastisement of our peace was upon him AND BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED.

 

[RLT63]

Do you see the word God or LORD in Is 53 or is it referring to God's servant?

Commentary on Isaiah 53 by Matthew Henry

 

[GEN2REV]

With all due respect, you are making an idol out of the Bible. A holy book is not what separates Christianity from other religions.

No, I'm tenaciously holding fast to the Word of God. It is the last pure Truth left in this world and those who consider it less have nothing with which to stand upon. I am familiar with you and your beliefs from prior conversations, as well as reading many of your posts throughout the time I've frequented this site. Actually, you may be one of the very first people I ever noticed so passionately believing Jesus is not God; and, I would say, that's a huge problem for you in regards to your Faith in the Bible.

I hold the Bible in very high regard; it is the Words of the Living God. Let's just look at some of the things the Bible expresses about the power and authority of Scripture.

Jesus Himself says "It is the Spirit that quickens (gives Eternal Life); the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto, they are Spirit, and they are Life." (John 6:63) Peter then confirms this by saying "... Thou hast the words of Eternal Life." (John 6:68) (Mortal man doesn't speak words that give Eternal Life.) God spoke this world into existence. His Words are powerful beyond our comprehension. That is what fills this sacred book of Life. The very Words of God Almighty.

Yes, the Word of God IS very much alive and very powerful. (Hebrews 4:12) And it is never enhanced by diminishing it to poetry. Poetry and literature are not at all the same thing as God's sacred Words. They may be labeled as non-fiction technically, but they are both not traditionally held as factual, historical, sacred text.

2 Timothy 3:16
John 15:3
Isaiah 55:11
Matthew 4:4
1 Corinthians 1:18
Matthew 24:35

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus is not God.

How do you interpret verses like John 8:24?
"... you will die in your sins if you do not believe that I AM (He)?"

 

[Wrangler]

It is clearly a prophecy of Jesus.

If this is true, how come the Hebrews never identified it as a prophecy? Do you realize how ridiculous it is to claim the Jews don’t understand their own sacred texts?

I think @Rich R’s thread got to you; if Jesus is not the Father, he is not God. And this Isaiah chapter - about God, as I pointed out - has a verse that is your BEST rationalization.

Jesus was NEVER called Father in the NT. This proves the Jews correct. Trinitarians desperately repurposing the verse.

 

[Wrangler]

Actually, you may be one of the very first people I ever noticed so passionately believing Jesus is not God; and, I would say, that's a huge problem for you in regards to your Faith in the Bible.

My faith is not in the Bible; my faith is in God.

 

[marks]

Do you realize how ridiculous it is to claim the Jews don’t understand their own sacred texts?

Seriously?

They murdered their Messiah because they didn't understand their own sacred texts.

Much love!

 

[RLT63]

If this is true, how come the Hebrews never identified it as a prophecy? Do you realize how ridiculous it is to claim the Jews don’t understand their own sacred texts?

I think @Rich R’s thread got to you; if Jesus is not the Father, he is not God. And this Isaiah chapter - about God, as I pointed out - has a verse that is your BEST rationalization.

Jesus was NEVER called Father in the NT. This proves the Jews correct. Trinitarians desperately repurposing the verse.

The same reason they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. They are obviously wrong about that but you are going to look to them as the gold standard for interpreting scripture? You can't read Isaiah 53 and see that it is talking about Jesus? I can't help you. And I never said Jesus is the Father. If you had read the link I posted you would understand. You are hanging on to Unitarianism where scripture doesn't support it and making unfounded assumptions about me when your argument fails apart.

 

[RLT63]

Seriously?

They murdered their Messiah because they didn't understand their own sacred texts.

Much love!

You beat me to it. Exactly my thoughts

 

[RLT63]

My faith is not in the Bible; my faith is in God.

If it's not the God of the Bible you need to examine your faith.

 

[Wrangler]

You can't read Isaiah 53 and see that it is talking about Jesus?

I do but you keep talking about Isaiah 9:6.

 

[GEN2REV]

My faith is not in the Bible; my faith is in God.

The Bible is God's Word - also referred to as THE Word. THE Word is God.

You should have a faith in THE Word.

 

[GEN2REV]

if Jesus is not the Father, he is not God

But who is the "He" that Jesus is referring to in John 8:24 if not the Father?

And how could He say this if He is not the Father 'Now that you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.'?
John 14:7
John 14:9

 

[Matthias]

I have a margin reference to Ezekiel 32:21, where others are also called el gibbor. What does that tell us about the meaning of the Hebrew phrase?

H410 - 'ēl - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

It tells us that the trinitarian translators had a choice to make, and in Isaiah 9:6 they made the choice which fits with their theological belief rather than the choice which fits the historical context.

 

[RLT63]

I do but you keep talking about Isaiah 9:6.

Isaiah 9:6-7 refers to Jesus. There is no way you can read verse 7 and not see that.

 

[Matthias]

You beat me to it. Exactly my thoughts

Many of them believed that their fellow Jew is the Messiah promised by his and their God. The Church in the 1st century was filled, almost exclusively, with them.

 

[RLT63]

H410 - 'ēl - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

It tells us that the trinitarian translators had a choice to make, and in Isaiah 9:6 they made the choice which fits with their theological belief rather than the choice which fits the historical context.

I'm not getting this H410 - 'ēl - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

 

[RLT63]

Many of them believed that their fellow Jew is the Messiah promised by his and their God. The Church in the 1st century was filled, almost exclusively, with them.

After he rose from the dead. Not exclusively because of their interpretation of scripture

 

[Matthias]

Constantine said several things that stand out to me. Here is one of them, following the Council of Nicaea -

“Let us, then, have nothing in common with the Jews, who are our adversaries.”

(Epistle of The Emperor To Those Bishops Who Were Not Present)

 

[Matthias]

I'm not getting this H410 - 'ēl - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

What are you not getting?

El gibbor doesn’t have to be translated “mighty God” in Isaiah 9:6. The translators had other options; options which would fit very well with the historic setting.