Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Wrangler]

Again, is this true, Robert?

If this is true, then no. John in his letter makes it clear Jesus came in flesh, perfect tense, He remained that way.

Hi Marks, Yes it is true, Jesus was resurrected a spirit, he was a spirit previously, only spirit beings live in heaven where he returned. He sacrificed his flesh and blood in our behalf. As all spirit beings who interact with humans Jesus did take on physical bodies, but of course not the one he gave in sacrifice, hence why no one recognized him by appearance. We do not teach Jesus took back the sacrifice given in our behalf.

Then Biblically speaking, no, the "Jehovah's Witness" religion is not Christianity.

Much love!

Wow! What an exchange. I agree with Marks; Jesus was recurrected bodily and that is our hope for our inheritance.

 

[ScottA]

The teachings of the Watchtower clearly falls in the catagory of "false teachers". The early church defined the "rule of faith" which includes the deity of Christ. JW's follows the false teachings of Arius.

I am not familiar with all the details regarding the Watchtower. However "false teachers" were foretold by Peter and elaborated by Paul, that was not specific to such a narrow group as the JW, but rather as being a general "falling away" of "great apostacy" for "believing a lie" resulting in "strong delusion."

I would not give all that credit to the JW...but rather recommend examining to see just what that "lie" was so long ago. I would just blurt it out, and have not kept it secret, but it is better that it be discovered by many than by few. Jesus spoke of it all...and it is has all become a reality.

 

[Dropship]

Christmas celebrates Jesus's birth but JW's don't do that, and Easter marks his death with respect, but JW's don't do that either, because they claim those dates have pagan roots..

Not really relevant to the question is it? Just because the Amish, Menonites and JW, etc have different customers does not mean they are not Christians, does it?

Only God knows who's a Christian and who's not, we all like to think we are but many of us are in for a surprise..:)-
Jesus said-"Not all who call me "Lord,Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then I'll tell them plainly, I never knew you, get away from me" (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[Dropship]

JW's...they like to think God has revealed "hidden secrets" to them alone, and not to the rest of us poor dumb shmucks..:)

Isn't it interesting how taking the traditions of pagan celebrations and dedicating them to Jehovah, even to the point of calling the celebration after the name of the god it was given to, seems to be believed that Jehovah would accept that? Would you Drop?

If Christmas was called Satanmas I'd avoid it like the plague..:)

 

[Webers_Home]

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We do not teach Jesus took back the sacrifice given in our behalf.

The Society maintains that Jesus' crucified human form had to stay dead
so that his alter ego Michael could be an angel again. But that's not the only
reason the Society gives for keeping Jesus' human remains perpetually
deceased. An additional explanation is given on page 237 of the April 15,
1963 issue of the Watchtower magazine; where it's stated:

"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar."

There is a really, really big flaw in the Society's theology; to wit: although
Jesus died on Earth, the altar of his sacrifice isn't located here. (Heb 9:18-23,
Heb 13:10)

Another problem is Jesus' human remains. In order to confirm that his
crucified human body stayed dead, the Society is going to have produce it. A
piece of evidence of that significance can't be allowed to just slip through a
crack unnoticed as if it makes no difference. As Carl Sagan once said:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
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[Ronald Nolette]

You cant answer back to Gods bible truth.

No just your immaturity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I gave you the information, you are free to choose as you like, me, I choose not to celebrate birthdays. If Jesus would have wanted his birth celebrated it would be recorded for us in the Bible, since it is not, it is not necessary for salvation. I abstain sir.

As is your right to abstain, but when you judge one who chooses to celebrate ( for it is not forbidden either) you add sin unto sin! And no it is not necessary FOR SALVATION. nEITHER IS HAVING A TURKEY ON THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF NOVEMEBER OR GIVING YOUR WIFE FLOWERS ON 2/14.

thise are all freeedoms one can or cannot do according to their own conscience.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In the words of the Duke, not hardly. You say he is, I say he is not, there you have it Ron

So then you have two redeemers! Jesus who is God's redeemer and this Yahweh of Hosts whom you say is not Jesus but is also Yahwehs redeemer.

 

[ScottA]

I fail to see how that applies Scott. But you made a great point about man and woman being one. A compliment to one another.

Just as God has shown by image of Himself cast into man, that the bride was and is taken out of Him and returned to be One again, it includes the detail of many sons and the expanding of Himself to include many helpmates that He Himself should also expand His tent to prepare a place for us.

 

[marks]

From https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/archangel-michael/

The Bible’s answer

Michael, referred to by some religions as “Saint Michael,” is evidently a name given to Jesus before and after his life on earth. a Michael disputed with Satan after the death of Moses and helped an angel deliver God’s message to the prophet Daniel. (Daniel 10:13, 21; Jude 9) Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?”—by defending God’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies.—Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7.
Consider why it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus is the archangel Michael.
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I can't imaging I didn't know this once upon a time . . . regardless . . . Jesus was Michael incarnate, according to JW.org. Error breeds error.

Revelation 1:4-8 KJV
4) John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus, not Michael.

Much love!

 

[Keiw]

But if they lie, that does not bode well that God was leading them. That actually disqualifies them. JW’s also swapped their manuscripts between the Textus Receptus to the Westcott and Hort text (Which just so happens to favor the Arian viewpoint better). Surely this was no coincidence. So for a hundred years you had a Trinitarian Bible and a Bible that defends the deity of Jesus Christ. All your perverted Modern bibles attack the deity of Jesus Christ and the Godhead. This is just basic facts of Bible history. The Catholics tried to kill King James and his translation with a super bomb. William Tyndale who was pivotal to the earlier English translations leading up to the KJB was killed by the Catholic Church. This was clearly an opposition to God’s Word. What opposition did the New World Translation face by comparison? The King James had 47 men to translate that were extremely competent in the original languages.

Also, if your translation was inspired then why does it have mistakes in it?
It says nails (plural) in his hands in John 20:25 and yet a picture on JW.org shows Jesus with a single NAIL in his hands.

They didnt lie--They made errors. 1750 years of the errors being taught is not corrected overnight, especially out of altered translations.

 

[Keiw]

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Non-anointed JWs are living proof that the Watchtower Society's translation
is unreliable. Here's why.

According to 1Cor 2:12-15, folks who've received the spirit which comes
from God are enabled to comprehend, and to accept, the things of God.
Well: it's believed by JWs that only 144,000 anointed Witnesses have
received the spirit of God; which means that all other JWs are physical
people rather than spiritual people.

So then, were the NWT really and truly spirit-guided, then the non-anointed
JWs would quite naturally reject it. The very fact that physical JWs accept
the NWT is proof positive that it wasn't spirit-guided, plus: the scholars that
translated the NWT didn't have the spirit either because if they did, then the
non anointed JWs wouldn't be trusting them.

According to 1John 2:26-27, the anointing protects people from seductive
reasoning; whereas folks lacking the anointing are wide-open to deception;
and that's true of not only JWs, it applies to everybody lacking the anointing
regardless of their religious preferences.
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All JW,s can have holy spirit, Where do you get what you believe?
Jesus real teachers=Matt 24:45--At the proper time( when God wills) truths known they get revealed, not before.
Maybe you missed the prophecy in Ezekial..Truth starts like a shallow creek running, it ends up a torrent over time= When God wills.

 

[Keiw]

No just your immaturity.

Lets see who really listens to Jesus
Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality) Matt 6)

How many days of your life has your heart directed you to seek Jehovahs righteousness? All true followers do it 24/7 365.--They do it FIRST. All who obey Jesus do it--Those who arent obeying him=John 3:36--remain in Gods wrath.

 

[Enoch111]

All JW,s can have holy spirit, Where do you get what you believe?

No one who rejects the deity of Christ can have the Holy Spirit. See the second epistle of John which speaks of "the doctrine of Christ". The doctrine of Christ begins with the fact that GOD was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).

 

[Keiw]

No one who rejects the deity of Christ can have the Holy Spirit. See the second epistle of John which speaks of "the doctrine of Christ". The doctrine of Christ begins with the fact that GOD was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).

Jesus rejected it-John 20:17, Rev 3:12 as did his real teachers-Coll 1:3, 1Cor 15:24-28, Eph 1:13,17,,1Peter 1:3--The Israelites knew it as well-Psalm 45:7

 

[marks]

Hi Marks, Yes it is true, Jesus was resurrected a spirit, he was a spirit previously, only spirit beings live in heaven where he returned. He sacrificed his flesh and blood in our behalf. As all spirit beings who interact with humans Jesus did take on physical bodies, but of course not the one he gave in sacrifice, hence why no one recognized him by appearance. We do not teach Jesus took back the sacrifice given in our behalf.

Jesus made a specific point of showing His disciples that He resurrected in the same body He was killed in, complete with the same wounds.

Luke 24:36-43 KJV
36) And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37) But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38) And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40) And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41) And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42) And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43) And he took it, and did eat before them.

And the tomb was empty:

Luke 24:1-7 KJV
1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

The reason they didn't find Jesus' body in the tomb? Because He was risen, and had gone out from the tomb.

The bodily resurrection of Jesus is established in the Bible, and John declares that to deny that Jesus has come in flesh is antichrist.

Much love!

 

[The Learner]

There are still MANY trinity religions= a house divided will not stand.

Silly Boy you are a barrel of laughs. Appartely your heart is closed to Truth.

 

[The Learner]

The Bible is complete Ron, Christians did not celebrate christmas, and they set the example. You fail to see that there is religious overtones in almost everything sir. Practicing the traditions offered to pagan gods is certainly not pleasing to Jehovah, correct?

Every thing one does unto the Lord is pleasing to him.

 

[The Learner]

wow made it to here

 

[Keiw]

Every thing one does unto the Lord is pleasing to him.

He will accept 0 of things off the table of demons. Both holidays catholicism invented are filled with things off that table.