What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Ferris Bueller]

It's an honest question. I really want to know what the benefit is to have Jesus be God. So far nobody can answer the question.

It's makes salvation of God, not of man.

 

[Matthias]

stick to that translation but FLEE THE SOUTHEN BAPTIST CONVENTION .

I left the Southern Baptist Church (and trinitarianism) in the early ‘80s. I seldom read or make use of the KJV. The language was appropriate for its time but is archaic now. People in the 21st century don’t speak like people living in the 17th century did. If someone insists on it in order to have a conversation about the scriptures then I’ll try to meet them where they are. (Depending on who the person is and what kind of relationship I have with them - or sometimes when I’m just not having my best day - I’ll ask that the entire conversation is carried on in Elizabethan English. - Dost thou granteth thine grace upon thy servant, your lordship?” - That sometimes gets my point across in a humorous way. Sometimes it fails miserably. You’ve got to know your audience and pick your spot. Tricky. Very tricky.)

Just cause a broken clock can be right twice a day DONT MAKE THE CLOCK RIGHT .

* Got me thinking “sun dial on a dark and gloomy day” *

 

[RLT63]

Matthew doesn't record anyone instructing Mary and/or Joseph to name the baby Immanuel. You might not know that, but @Blue Dragonfly's certainly does (by now) and if she was willing to be honest with the text, she'd admit it.

Matthew editorializes the text and quotes from Isaiah 7-- but that was not part of the angel's instructions to either of them.

Read it for yourself since you haven't. What was recorded in Isaiah was communicated to Isaiah-- not Mary and/or Joseph.

Blue Dragonfly is a she? Thanks. Already familiar with everything else. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy. He was God with us

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Matthew doesn't record anyone instructing Mary and/or Joseph to name the baby Immanuel. You might not know that, but @Blue Dragonfly's certainly does (by now) and if she was willing to be honest with the text, she'd admit it.

Matthew editorializes the text and quotes from Isaiah 7-- but that was not part of the angel's instructions to either of them.

Read it for yourself since you haven't. What was recorded in Isaiah was communicated to Isaiah-- not Mary and/or Joseph.

At this point it needs to be said. You're intentionally slandering what is in scripture. And patently lying about Matthew 1. And Isaiah 7. You and any other accounts that post the same way.

 

[RLT63]

I think they're cute.
They also help to break up the monotony in a contentious thread.

But are they off topic? JK

 

[Matthias]

His name wasn't Immanuel. It was who he was

He isn’t addressed by that name in scripture. That indicates to me that the name “Immanuel” is symbolic. Jesus (the anglicized rendering of his Hebrew name) is “God with us” or “God is with us”.

Does this mean that Jesus is literally God himself?

When I was a trinitarian I would have answered the question with the affirmation that it does.

As a Jewish monotheist, I now answer the question with a negative response, offering the explanation that I believe it means that Jesus is figuratively God.

 

[Mr E]

At this point it needs to be said. You're intentionally slandering what is in scripture. And patently lying about Matthew 1. And Isaiah 7. You and any other accounts that post the same way.

That's a lie that I'll ask you to retract. What I've said is accurate and true. What you have said is not.

This while you lecture about people who don't care about the truth.

They don't care about the truth.
All evidence as why Jesus was God, his name Immanuel in the old testament prophecy of his coming, and the new testaments account of God's angel who instructed Mary to name her pending baby Immanuel, ''God with us'', that some even go so far as to say isn't what the name means.

Did God's angel instruct Mary to name him Immanuel as you insist? No. And now you are lying about your lying.

Just stop.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's one of the clearest passages in the Bible

Yes indeed .

 

[RLT63]

That's a lie that I'll ask you to retract. What I've said is accurate and true. What you have said is not.

This while you lecture about people who don't care about the truth.



Did God's angel instruct Mary to name him Immanuel as you insist? No. And now you are lying about your lying.

Just stop.

What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

But are they off topic? JK

What do you mean?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's makes salvation of God, not of man.

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

 

[Nancy]

Just ask @Nancy...she will confirm that I hate using emoji's.

 

[amigo de christo]

I left the Southern Baptist Church (and trinitarianism) in the early ‘80s. I seldom read or make use of the KJV. The language was appropriate for its time but is archaic now. People in the 21st century don’t speak like people living in the 17th century did. If someone insists on it in order to have a conversation about the scriptures then I’ll try to meet them where they are. (Depending on who the person is and what kind of relationship I have with them - or sometimes when I’m just not having my best day - I’ll ask that the entire conversation is carried on in Elizabethan English. - Dost thou granteth thine grace upon thy servant, your lordship?” - That sometimes gets my point across in a humorous way. Sometimes it fails miserably. You’ve got to know your audience and pick your spot. Tricky. Very tricky.)



* Got me thinking “sun dial on a dark and gloomy day” *

Its simply the most accurate . I can actually read it aloud and read it in modern enlgish as i do . The problem
with a lot of newer versions is they actually changed what it means to fit what they THINK it should mean .
The worst so called bible ever wrote is the message , followed by the NIV . The message is bad news in many places

 

[amigo de christo]

where do you all find the emojis .

 

[amigo de christo]

I found some . That is me own personal reaction when i see pope francis spewing his stuff and folks heeding it .

 

[Nancy]

where do you all find the emojis .

Just click the smiley face Amigo, and most use
"Angies Smilies"

 

[amigo de christo]

Let the GLORIOUS LORD BE PRAISED .

 

[amigo de christo]

let the glorious and wonderous LORD be praised .

 

[amigo de christo]

SING to the GLORIOUS LORD .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:5-6)

I like this. It's pure scripture. I must agree with it.
It in no way denies the fact that salvation is of God, and not of men who need that salvation.

Personally, I don't care that some people don't see Christ as divine. Jesus has big shoulders. He can handle it. As you know, there are things that are said about Jesus that can and will be forgiven. I just think this is one of them.

I see a divine Jesus in scripture. To try and attribute who he is and where's he's been in all time and space and what he's done to that of pure humanness is unreasonable to me.