What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Johann]

Jesus was learning to be God?
Book,chapter,verse please.

Lol!

 

[Johann]

I don't like to use Wikipedia

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Peterlag]

I already gave more than that in my post.

I must assume that nobody knows why Jesus should be God since nobody can answer the question as to why Jesus needs to be God.

 

[Peterlag]

Because no mere man could carry and bear the weight of God's wrath 2 Corinthians 5:21

I must assume that nobody knows why Jesus should be God since nobody can answer the question as to why Jesus needs to be God.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus didn't come as God, He made Himself of no reputation in the form of a servant, found in fashion as a man...but as Paul wrote, He WAS God manifest in the flesh.

We have our faith and trust in Jesus Christ and that is how we are saved. We'd be sinning if we had our faith in a mere man. Our HEARTS believe He is God, if we are saved, and that is why we obey, praise, thank and worship Him......even those who don't quite get that with their mind yet. Only God has power to save....God is called Saviour throughout OT scripture.

Jesus is no mere man. He was the son of God. And now in his resurrected body God made him to be both Lord and Christ. That is not a mere man.

 

[Peterlag]

How many selfs is the Trinity?

I must assume that nobody knows why Jesus should be God since nobody can answer the question as to why Jesus needs to be God.

 

[Peterlag]

Not sad. As God wills.
Jesus said no one comes to him except the father calls them.
Those who deny Jesus was God know not God,who was Jesus.

What's dad is, they're trying to convert us to their way of thinking.

I must assume that nobody knows why Jesus should be God since nobody can answer the question as to why Jesus needs to be God.

 

[RLT63]

I must assume that nobody knows why Jesus should be God since nobody can answer the question as to why Jesus needs to be God.

Why does God need to be God? Why does he want people to worship him?

 

[Matthias]

Read widely. Read deeply. Read thoughtfully. Read critically.

“As with all sources that you read & study, I hope you will ‘eat the meat and spit out the bones’ when reading this book.

Shalom”

(Anonymous Jewish bookseller)

A handwritten note, which I held onto, addressed to me, from a Jew whom I purchased a book from online many years ago.

The book?

The Real Messiah? A Jewish Response to Missionaries, written by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan.

I highly recommend the Jewish booksellers wise advice, as well as the Rabbi’s book.

 

[Peterlag]

Why does God need to be God? Why does he want people to worship him?

I can give you a verse or 5 on that He likes worship. My question is an honest one. I want to know why so many Christians feel the need to believe Jesus is God. What's in it for them?

 

[Matthias]

I must assume that nobody knows why Jesus should be God since nobody can answer the question as to why Jesus needs to be God.

I offered for your consideration a trinitarian perspective on why Jesus needs to be God.

I previously offered for your consideration a non-trinitarian perspective (via an appeal to Moses Typology) on why Jesus needs to be God.

If you don’t find any of it persuasive then you shouldn’t believe any of it, but that’s different from assuming that nobody knows why Jesus needs to be God.

 

[BeyondET]

Where's the "us" Let Us make man in Our tzelem, after Our demut:?

O yes thanks for the heads up I fixed it.

 

[BeyondET]

I offered for your consideration a trinitarian perspective on why Jesus needs to be God.

I previously offered for your consideration a non-trinitarian perspective (via an appeal to Moses Typology) on why Jesus needs to be God.

If you don’t find any of it persuasive then you shouldn’t believe any of it, but that’s different from assuming that nobody knows why Jesus needs to be God.

Why does Jesus needs not to be God?

Is there something wrong with doing the impossible

 

[Matthias]

Why does Jesus needs not be God?

There’s only one God. His.

 

[BeyondET]

There’s only one God. His.

Yes and they are One God, three hearts and three minds

 

[Matthias]

Yes and they are One God.

Jesus isn’t Jesus’ God.

 

[BeyondET]

Is the H

Jesus isn’t Jesus’ God.

Is the Holy Spirit God?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Ok since scripture clearly states His Devine nature can be seen from things made what are some that you know of from observation of things made?

Romans 1:18-21....
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened."

So when speaking about God, we see that his "invisible attributes - his eternal power and divine nature" are revealed in his creation.
What is the result of God's "eternal power and divine nature" that we see with our own eyes in creation? When we see the vastness of the Universe, are we not awestruck by its sheer magnitude?....and the power it took to bring such vast amounts of "matter" into existence

"Matter" is defined as...." a substance made up of various types of particles that occupies physical space and has inertia. According to the principles of modern physics, the various types of particles each have a specific mass and size. The most familiar examples of material particles are the electron, the proton and the neutron."

Can we wrap our heads around how big the largest of his creation is compared to the smallest particles that form all of it? Its is mind boggling!
It doesn't mean that God is an octopus....God is who HE says he is....and the scripture above says that "what can be known about God" (in human terms) was "made plain" to humankind by God himself. We see his limitless power in all things.

"Through" the agency of his "firstborn" son, "God created all things" as Paul says in Colossians 1:15-17.

How can the pre-human Jesus be the creator of all things and not be God?
Proverbs 8:27-31 tells us....
"When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he marked out the horizon over the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above,
when he secured the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea his decree
that the waters should not pass over his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him as a master craftsman,
and I was his delight day by day,
rejoicing before him at all times,
31 rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth,
and delighting in its people." (NASB)

God had a "master craftsman".....working at his Father's side the whole time, and rejoicing at the earth's creation and God's crowning achievement in humankind, made in God's image and likeness. This explains why Jesus so willingly sacrificed his life for the humans that he had helped to create...his special connection with them.

God's spirit was working "through" his son, just as it was when he was on earth. Jesus as a man had no special 'powers' before God's spirit came upon him at his baptism.....which is why people in his hometown had trouble accepting him as Messiah....he was just the son of the carpenter Joseph in their eyes. They had watched him grow up.

It is also why Jesus could not be 100% "God" and 100% "man" at the same time. He was simply 100% human so that he could die and redeem the human race.....mere humans cannot kill God because he is immortal.

 

[Matthias]

Is the Holy Spirit God?

Just as sure and certain as your spirit is you.

”1. The one God. (a) theos is the most frequent designation of God in the NT. Belief in the one, only and unique God (Matt. 23:9; Rom. 3:30; 1 Cor. 8:4,6; Gal. 3:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Jas. 2:19) is an established part of Christian tradition. Jesus himself made the fundamental confession of Jud. his own and expressly quoted the Shema (Deut. 6:4-5; see Mk. 12:29-30; cf. Matt. 22:37; Lk. 10:27). This guaranteed continuity between the old and the new covenants. The God whom Christians worship is the God of the fathers (Acts 3:13; 5:30; 22:14), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Acts 3:13; 7:32; cf. Matt. 22:32; Mk. 12:26; Lk. 20:37), the God of Israel (Matt. 15:31; Lk. 1:68; Acts 13:17), and the God of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 1:3; Eph. 1:3; 1Pet. 1:3).”

(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)

 

[BeyondET]

Romans 1:18-21....
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 19 because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened."

So when speaking about God, we see that his "invisible attributes - his eternal power and divine nature" are revealed in his creation.
What is the result of God's "eternal power and divine nature" that we see with our own eyes in creation? When we see the vastness of the Universe, are we not awestruck by its sheer magnitude?....and the power it took to bring such vast amounts of "matter" into existence

"Matter" is defined as...." a substance made up of various types of particles that occupies physical space and has inertia. According to the principles of modern physics, the various types of particles each have a specific mass and size. The most familiar examples of material particles are the electron, the proton and the neutron."

Can we wrap our heads around how big the largest of his creation is compared to the smallest particles that form all of it? Its is mind boggling!
It doesn't mean that God is an octopus....God is who HE says he is....and the scripture above says that "what can be known about God" (in human terms) was "made plain" to humankind by God himself. We see his limitless power in all things.

"Through" the agency of his "firstborn" son, "God created all things" as Paul says in Colossians 1:15-17.

How can the pre-human Jesus be the creator of all things and not be God?
Proverbs 8:27-31 tells us....
"When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he marked out the horizon over the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above,
when he secured the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea his decree
that the waters should not pass over his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30 then I was beside him as a master craftsman,
and I was his delight day by day,
rejoicing before him at all times,
31 rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth,
and delighting in its people." (NASB)

God had a "master craftsman".....working at his Father's side the whole time, and rejoicing at the earth's creation and God's crowning achievement in humankind, made in God's image and likeness. This explains why Jesus so willingly sacrificed his life for the humans that he had helped to create...his special connection with them.

God's spirit was working "through" his son, just as it was when he was on earth. Jesus as a man had no special 'powers' before God's spirit came upon him at his baptism.....which is why people in his hometown had trouble accepting him as Messiah....he was just the son of the carpenter Joseph in their eyes. They had watched him grow up.

It is also why Jesus could not be 100% "God" and 100% "man" at the same time. He was simply 100% human so that he could die and redeem the human race.....mere humans cannot kill God because he is immortal.

So you do you personally know of a creation that shows his visible attributes because scripture says they can be seen.

I know of some, one is what Jesus did on the cross, it's a animal but it will do the same.