What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Johann]

I don’t understand your question. What does “on the narrow dereck” mean?

The narrow way..in your opinion, is Tovia Singer on the narrow way?

 

[Matthias]

The narrow way..in your opinion, is Tovia Singer on the narrow way?

Thanks for the clarification. No, I don’t think Tovia Singer is on the narrow way.

 

[RLT63]

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[Johann]

My Lord said to your Lord, let make man

Where's the "us" Let Us make man in Our tzelem, after Our demut:?

 

[Johann]

Thanks for the clarification. No, I don’t think Tovia Singer is on the narrow way.

Care to elaborate a bit as to why he is not on the narrow way?

 

[Johann]

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[Matthias]

Care to elaborate a bit as to why he is not on the narrow way?

A bit? He rejects Jesus as being the promised Messiah.

 

[RLT63]

That which emerged from God, his reason, logic, voice or word. In the beginning, God said. This is no triune apology. John is mirroring GE 1 except introduces the Messiah at v14.

Before time itself was measured, the Voice was speaking.
The Voice was and is God.
2 This celestial Word remained ever present with the Creator;
3 His speech shaped the entire cosmos.
John 1:1-3 VOICE

Strange that the word would mean one thing in the first 2 verses and something else in verse 14. I don't know why John would try to confuse us like that. And I don't know what version you're quoting there but it's way off

 

[RLT63]

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Deleted. I don't want to derail the thread

 

[Matthias]

How many persons do you see in John’s prologue (1:1-5) to his Gospel?

Most trinitarians, if / when they respond, will say two.

Rarely, but occasionally, trinitarians will say three. I’ve run into this on discussion forums but never, that I recall, in trinitarian literature.

I see only one. Reference English translations published prior to 1611. (And many after that date.)

 

[RLT63]

Most trinitarians, if / when they respond, will say two.

Rarely, but occasionally, trinitarians will say three. I’ve run into this on discussion forums but never, that I recall, in trinitarian literature.

I see only one.

I don't know why the word would be one thing in the first few verses then be something else in verse 14.

 

[Matthias]

I don't know why the word would be one thing in the first few verses then be something else in verse 14.

John is a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian. Are you thinking like a Jewish monotheist when you read John 1 or are you thinking like a trinitarian?

 

[Johann]

A bit? He rejects Jesus as being the promised Messiah.

Were you in dialogue with Jews for Jesus?

 

[Matthias]

Were you in dialogue with Jews for Jesus?

Yes.

 

[Johann]

Yes.

And...?

 

[Matthias]

And...?

And what?

 

[RLT63]

John is a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian. Are you thinking like a Jewish monotheist when you read John 1 or are you thinking like a trinitarian?

I think the whole book of John is about Jesus. This is John's way of giving us a genealogy.. He goes all the way to the beginning.

 

[Matthias]

I think the whole book of John is about Jesus. This is John's way of giving us a genealogy.. He goes all the way to the beginning.

I think the whole book of John is about God and Jesus. (And some other things, of course.)

I like your connection with genealogy. I don’t often get that from trinitarians. I agree with you that it is.

John does go all the way to the beginning.

 

[RLT63]

I think the whole book of John is about God and Jesus. (And some other things, of course.)

I like your connection with genealogy. I don’t often get that from trinitarians. I agree with you that it is.

John does go all the way to the beginning.

I don't like to use Wikipedia but they actually have a good article on John 1.

 

[Matthias]

I don't like to use Wikipedia but they actually have a good article on John 1.

Read widely. Read deeply. Read thoughtfully. Read critically.