Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[covenantee]

Optional for salvation. It is not so much what we believe about the antichrist, or tribulation that matter, it is whether we believe that they exist or not. If we know Him whom to know is to love, we would not want people teaching and claiming that the bible is unreal and to be waved away. We would not have time to waste with people who think that Jesus is coming to earth to burn it and kill everyone rather than rule in love for 1000 years. Etc.

Since the words "antichrist" and "tribulation" are in Scripture, who on this forum has ever said that they do not exist?

 

[covenantee]

True, all we need is the bible that tells us He will rule the nations.

The Bible does not tell us that He will rule shivers.

 

[dad]

Since the words "antichrist" and "tribulation" are in Scripture, who on this forum has ever said that they do not exist?

Someone has. Also, anyone who claims that the abomination was placed thousands of years ago, and the tribulation was thousands of years ago denies those things as far as I am concerned. Those that claim the tribulation is after the thousand years deny the bible great trib, Those that say the millennium is not real or will not happen or is not actually 1000 years deny the bible millennium. Etc etc etc.

 

[dad]

The Bible does not tell us that He will rule shivers.

Nor that He will rule Cheerios. So? He rules nations and nations are made of people. Not charred cinders or 'shivers'.

 

[covenantee]

Someone has. Also, anyone who claims that the abomination was placed thousands of years ago, and the tribulation was thousands of years ago denies those things as far as I am concerned. Those that claim the tribulation is after the thousand years deny the bible great trib, Those that say the millennium is not real or will not happen or is not actually 1000 years deny the bible millennium. Etc etc etc.

I invite you to provide a link to any post which claims that "antichrist" or "tribulation" do not exist.

 

[covenantee]

Nor that He will rule Cheerios. So? He rules nations and nations are made of people. Not charred cinders or 'shivers'.

You must have missed this:

Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

 

[dad]

I invite you to provide a link to any post which claims that "antichrist" or "tribulation" do not exist.

I invite you to read the threads I posted in. Let's start with you.

Do you believe that in the last seven years before Jesus returns, the antichrist will rule the world?

 

[dad]

You must have missed this:

Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Nations and leaders are broken to pieces. Just like in Dan 2. Jesus returns and smashes the kingdoms and rules. That does not mean that all people on earth are chopped into little slivers. I kid you not

 

[covenantee]

I invite you to read the threads I posted in. Let's start with you.

Do you believe that in the last seven years before Jesus returns, the antichrist will rule the world?

Here's what I believe about antichrist:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Now give us your Scripture claiming antichrist will rule the world.

 

[covenantee]

Nations and leaders are broken to pieces. Just like in Dan 2. Jesus returns and smashes the kingdoms and rules. That does not mean that all people on earth are chopped into little slivers. I kid you not

Give us your Scripture disproving Revelation 2:27.

 

[dad]

Here's what I believe about antichrist:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Now give us your Scripture claiming antichrist will rule the world.

Of course there were many people in the antichrist spirit for millennia now. That does not address the question about what you believe about THE AntiChrist in the last several years before the return of Jesus. Since you did not address the issue and squirmed and wiggled and diverted it is suspicious.

 

[covenantee]

Of course there were many people in the antichrist spirit for millennia now. That does not address the question about what you believe about THE AntiChrist in the last several years before the return of Jesus. Since you did not address the issue and squirmed and wiggled and diverted it is suspicious.

I cited Scripture. You didn't.

Waiting for your Scripture.

 

[dad]

Give us your Scripture disproving Revelation 2:27.

You need the whole bible to shed light on things. Rev 2:27 simply refers to how Jesus destroys enemies and rules the world. Look at the verse right before, no need to read the rest of the bible!
Revelation 2:26

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Verse 27 obviously refers to Psalm 2

Psalms 2:6

"I have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain."
Psalms 2:7

I will proclaim the Lord 's decree: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have become your father.
Psalms 2:8

Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.

So when we see that Jesus will totally smash the rulers and nations we know it is to become ruler Himself of those nations. Your dark visions of all people being chopped to smithereens is foolishness and flies directly in the face of Scripture.

 

[dad]

I cited Scripture. You didn't.

Waiting for your Scripture.

You di not cite scripture that addressed the man, the leader in the end called the antichrist and other names. You offered a verse about how that also there are many 'antichrists'

Such ignorance and avoidance is not funny or honest.

1 John 2:18

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

2 Thes 1:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[covenantee]

You need the whole bible to shed light on things. Rev 2:27 simply refers to how Jesus destroys enemies and rules the world. Look at the verse right before, no need to read the rest of the bible!
Revelation 2:26

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Verse 27 obviously refers to Psalm 2

Psalms 2:6

"I have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain."
Psalms 2:7

I will proclaim the Lord 's decree: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have become your father.
Psalms 2:8

Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.

So when we see that Jesus will totally smash the rulers and nations we know it is to become ruler Himself of those nations. Your dark visions of all people being chopped to smithereens is foolishness and flies directly in the face of Scripture.

Why did you omit Psalms 2:9? It parallels Revelation 2:27.

Psalms 2:9
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

 

[covenantee]

You di not cite scripture that addressed the man, the leader in the end called the antichrist and other names. You offered a verse about how that also there are many 'antichrists'

Such ignorance and avoidance is not funny or honest.

1 John 2:18

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

2 Thes 1:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Explain how your Scripture disproves 1 John 2:18.

 

[dad]

Why did you omit Psalms 2:9? It parallels Revelation 2:27.

Psalms 2:9
Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

I gave the setting and context. He smites the nations and breaks them in order to rule. That means there are still nations. Not some burned out sci fi hell world with all people cut into little slivers!

 

[dad]

Explain how your Scripture disproves 1 John 2:18.

John says THE AC will come. He then adds that even then there were many of that spirit. No one needs to disprove that there are a lot of antichrists in the world! Obviously there are, that was not the question.

 

[covenantee]

I gave the setting and context. He smites the nations and breaks them in order to rule. That means there are still nations. Not some burned out sci fi hell world with all people cut into little slivers!

No, the result of His rule is that the nations are dashed to pieces and broken to shivers.

Utter destruction.

 

[covenantee]

John says THE AC will come. He then adds that even then there were many of that spirit. No one needs to disprove that there are a lot of antichrists in the world! Obviously there are, that was not the question.

He doesn't. He is correcting the errant hearsay that one antichrist is coming, with the reality that many antichrists had already come.