Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[dad]

Highlight your claims in the Scriptures just cited.

Smiting the nations and ruling with a rod of iron does it.

 

[The Light]

The 69 weeks were up between 70 and 50BC.

Or likely 33AD as Messiah is cut off.

Jesus was born way after the 69 weeks were over. Jesus lived even 30 years later after He was born. Only 2 people seemed to still be alive past their 90's who were still expecting anything to happen, Simeon and Annah. Luke 2:25-38

Herod was so caught off guard, that when the wise men showed up, he killed 100's of toddlers thinking to stop this new king born at the "promised time". He learned about it from foreigners. No one was counting down the time from Daniel 9.

These things have nothing to do with the facts.

People 2,000 years later, now all of a sudden think they have it all figured out? Most of them don't even accept a future 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth.

research by Historians.

But there is no future 7 years either. Daniel 9:27 is not about years, but a set of 7days, not 7 years.

You might want to check your history so you will know where the years comes from.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes. Jesus begins His work at 30. Then at 33 He comes into Jerusalem on a donkey which is exactly what the scriptures proclaim. This happens at the end of the 69th week.

Wrong week.
Want to know exactly what the scripture proclaims in regard to Jesus starting his work as Messiah?

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];

69 weeks pass and then Messiah starts his work.

 

[dad]

Just because someone disagrees with some of your interpretations of the Bible means they have a disdain for the Bible? That is complete nonsense. Are you for real? I'm starting to wonder.

In some cases, yes when it is not my private interpretation. There are absolutes. There are foundational issues of faith and basic tenets of prophesy and etc. If someone waves away the tribulation and antichrist and 1000 year reign of Jesus and claims all people are actually killed on earth for example, I have great disdain for their claims.

 

[dad]

LOL!!! This is the one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen anyone say. Period. Do you not understand that smiting means destroying? Do you also think they just need some being tread in the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God to whip them into shape? LOL!

Not total destruction of the universe or planet! God knows how to weed out the truly wicked and enemies and deal with those who gather together to try and fight Him. Using the word winepress does not mean He murders all people. That is foolishness and monstrous.

 

[dad]

Would you agree that if you're free to consider anyone of your choosing to be a cult, then they are equally free to consider you to be a cult?

Of course. Half the churches I encountered almost seem to think other churches down the street were cults! And that seemed narrow minded to me. However, when faced with outright unbelief in basics of the bible (Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium,etc etc) I would group those sort of people as a group that is closed minded and in apostasy for the most part.

 

[dad]

That is your takeaway from this passage?

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

I'm not seeing where this says something about Jesus "at any time" coming to "rule the world". It says He long ago was given all power (authority) over heaven and earth. He rules the world now. Just because He allows people to sin doesn't mean He doesn't rule over them. Just because some don't acknowledge His rule doesn't change the fact that He rules over them. He doesn't need to have everyone doing everything He commands in order to be ruling over everyone.

No. Having power and using it are different things! He had the power to kill Pilate and all Rome by lifting one baby finger! That does not mean He took over Rome or killed those who assaulted Him. Jesus has the power to come to earth and rule, but there is an appointed time set for that.

 

[covenantee]

Of course. Half the churches I encountered almost seem to think other churches down the street were cults! And that seemed narrow minded to me. However, when faced with outright unbelief in basics of the bible (Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium,etc etc) I would group those sort of people as a group that is closed minded and in apostasy for the most part.

Surely you jest.

Anyone who teaches that the basics of the Bible include Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;
is a cult.

That is beyond absurd.

Who taught you that?!

 

[dad]

Surely you jest.

Anyone who teaches that the basics of the Bible include Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;
is a cult.

That is beyond absurd.

Who taught you that?!

You can come up with your own standards. I have no respect for theories that deny basic truths of the bible. Many church outfits are in apostasy. I think the time has come to call a spade a spade and not put up with a lot of wishy washy nonsense that has been dressed up as part of 'christianity' Some 'christians' do not believe Jesus is God. Some tolerate and even promote evil lifestyles and anti bible unions and gender change operations for children. Some teach that God is not the creator, but that science knows better. Then there are the christians that say there is no Rapture before the wrath. Or that there is no 1000 year reign of Jesus with His saints. Some here seem to have suggested that there is no antichrist, and no seven year tribulation or covenant. Some claim all on earth people die when Jesus returns and that the planet is destroyed. Etc. Those sort of ideas are beyond a sound mind and reason, when offered as a christian viewpoint.
Without going into details, I encountered the heads of a certain denomination that refused to allow their children to see basic bible story videos because they 'portrayed Jesus as a man'. Enough is enough.

 

[covenantee]

You can come up with your own standards. I have no respect for theories that deny basic truths of the bible. Many church outfits are in apostasy. I think the time has come to call a spade a spade and not put up with a lot of wishy washy nonsense that has been dressed up as part of 'christianity' Some 'christians' do not believe Jesus is God. Some tolerate and even promote evil lifestyles and anti bible unions and gender change operations for children. Some teach that God is not the creator, but that science knows better. Then there are the christians that say there is no Rapture before the wrath. Or that there is no 1000 year reign of Jesus with His saints. Some here seem to have suggested that there is no antichrist, and no seven year tribulation or covenant. Some claim all on earth people die when Jesus returns and that the planet is destroyed. Etc. Those sort of ideas are beyond a sound mind and reason, when offered as a christian viewpoint.
Without going into details, I encountered the heads of a certain denomination that refused to allow their children to see basic bible story videos because they 'portrayed Jesus as a man'. Enough is enough.

Is any Christian who does not believe Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;

going to hell?

 

[dad]

Is any Christian who does not believe Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;

going to hell?

I hope they at least believe in Jesus even if they have most of the bible wrong and/or don't believe it. Don't ask me to respect such folks who teach children and others such garbage.

 

[covenantee]

Smiting the nations and ruling with a rod of iron does it.

No.

You claimed "He rules over nations that have had any enemies of God and wicked rebels destroyed out of them."

Where are those claims found in the following Scriptures:

Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[covenantee]

I hope they at least believe in Jesus even if they have most of the bible wrong and/or don't believe it. Don't ask me to respect such folks who teach children and others such garbage.

If they believe in Jesus but do not believe Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;

are they going to hell?

 

[dad]

No.

You claimed "He rules over nations that have had any enemies of God and wicked rebels destroyed out of them."

Where are those claims found in the following Scriptures:

Revelation 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

We do not need to use your selected Scriptures to understand prophesy.
If you thought smite the nations meant kill every child, woman and man in the countries, you were wrong. Show any verse that says that?

 

[dad]

If they believe in Jesus but do not believe Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;

are they going to hell?

Belief in Jesus saved us from hell. We are not judges of salvation and hearts. We can judge false doctrines and lies.

 

[covenantee]

Belief in Jesus saved us from hell.

Glad you agree. He's all we need.

What anyone believes about Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;
is entirely optional.

 

[covenantee]

We do not need to use your selected Scriptures to understand prophesy.
If you thought smite the nations meant kill every child, woman and man in the countries, you were wrong. Show any verse that says that?

We do not need your opinion to see that Scripture does not spare anything when the nations are "broken to shivers".

 

[Timtofly]

You might want to check your history so you will know where the years comes from.

You may want to check God's Word to see where days fit in, instead of history, which is just human opinion.

 

[dad]

Glad you agree. He's all we need.

What anyone believes about Rapture, antichrist,tribulation,millennium;
is entirely optional.

Optional for salvation. It is not so much what we believe about the antichrist, or tribulation that matter, it is whether we believe that they exist or not. If we know Him whom to know is to love, we would not want people teaching and claiming that the bible is unreal and to be waved away. We would not have time to waste with people who think that Jesus is coming to earth to burn it and kill everyone rather than rule in love for 1000 years. Etc.

 

[dad]

We do not need your opinion to see that Scripture does not spare anything when the nations are "broken to shivers".

True, all we need is the bible that tells us He will rule the nations.