attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[Philip James]

Given those edicts assured Rome's conquest of those they'd convert and reign over after, and would likely preclude rebellion, I consider the old testament first.

And being God is the same forever and does not change, I know God wasn't like that in the old testament

Wasn't He?

Non serviam has ever been the cry of the enemy..

Consider David's conduct regarding Saul and of course Peter's :


Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

For whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace.

But what credit is there if you are patient when beaten for doing wrong? But if you are patient when you suffer for doing what is good, this is a grace before God.

But perhaps that is just the scripture that you want to cut out of your canon?

Pax et Bonum

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Wasn't He?

Non serviam has ever been the cry of the enemy..

Consider David's conduct regarding Saul and of course Peter's :


Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.

For whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace.

But what credit is there if you are patient when beaten for doing wrong? But if you are patient when you suffer for doing what is good, this is a grace before God.

But perhaps that is just the scripture that you want to cut out of your canon?

Pax et Bonum

Have you ever been beaten by a zealot?

You misunderstand this:'
''But what credit is there if you are patient when beaten for doing wrong?''
[there is none]

That's why the second part reads like this. Because it contrasts the first part: '
''But if you are patient when you suffer for doing what is good, this is a grace before God.''

 

[Grailhunter]

When I read the new testament that those in control of the church cobbled together I consider their motives for adding certain parts.

Namely to make slaves if the faithful.

''Slaves obey your masters....'' , ''Obey the emperor.''
''Love your enemies...''

Forgive no matter what.
If you're robbed of something offer the thief more.

Given those edicts assured Rome's conquest of those they'd convert and reign over after, and would likely preclude rebellion, I consider the old testament first.

And being God is the same forever and does not change, I know God wasn't like that in the old testament.

God decreed eye for an eye...then contradicted himself in the new testament?

God revenged wrongs. God destroyed his enemies. God did not forgive,nor forget.
And one of God's moral commands was, thou shalt not steal.

So it should tell us to exercise discernment,as we are told in the NT, when we're told to not resist an evil person.
And when we're told to give a thief more after they've taken our purse.

If we think ourselves ever obedient to what is written, rather than compelled to exercise discernment , think, on what we're told to accept, and that's then what it ,means to be Christ like, we'd never lock our homes or cars.

If it is a matter of absolutes.

If we believe God seats those in power over us and we're to obey, we're sitting dick's for the arrival into power by the Antichrist.

Being Christ like,like God, is wholly different than what the sheep are told to assume as their concessionary behavior to the world we're in but not part of.
If we're not of the world why would we think we have to concede to be docile when the world acts out against us? God isn't.

It is a conundrum and speculation can run amuck.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

It is a conundrum and speculation can run amuck.

When it's a centuries old conundrum and all the scribes are dead, speculation is all we have.

There are a lot of conundrum's in the Bible.

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus, John, Paul and others didn't allow "grace" to cripple their tongues. We know exactly to whom their stern rebukes were directed. When it comes to the Jews, the pen of inspiration well tells us:

• Jesus called them children "of the devil".
• He called them "hypocrites".
• He called them "white sepulchers full of dead men's bones".
• John the Baptist called them "vipers".
• Paul called them "unworthy of eternal life".

Martin Luther so despised how the Jews treated Jesus and the Gospel that his quill might be referred to as the "pen of evisceration". He wrote sarcastically:

"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that when he farts, God and all the angels dance?"​

I defy any man to criticize as "anti-semitic" and "lacking grace" any of these above, including the intrepid Martin Luther, the champion of the Protestant Reformation to whom we owe a debt of gratitude for having the boldness to stand up against religious tyranny and secure for posterity the religious freedom so enjoyed by us today. Shall we who shed no blood or spent not one cent for this freedom now sacrifice it upon the altar of "Ecumenicalism" with the "strange fire" of political correctness?

Jesus bore testimony of the Father so that we need no longer suck up to God but rather relate to him as a friend.
Any rebukes Jesus or Paul dished out was because the 'religious' were intent; they insisted on sucking up to God.

In my view, the whole sucking disposition results in hypocrisy......it matters not which way it is bent.

 

[BeyondET]

KJV Isaiah 62:6-7
6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
7 And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

What is the purpose of a Brakelite?

Are we in Jerusalem?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

The time and place for the use of such weapons is not the forum. Moderators will handle any posts that deal with blasphemy and heresy.
So if you can understand that each and every member chose to join this forum to fellowship with one another. To discuss their beliefs without being persecuted for it.
If you want a platform to expose lies of Satan then perhaps creating your own forum would be better suited for you to do so.
Sometimes members may need to go back and read the rules pertaining to this forum. Moderators are to do our best in keeping these rules in place.
What's wrong with edification? Exhorting one another? Praising God? Encouraging one another?
Why do so many members come in to rage war against one another?
I say it's time to stop being so puffed up in what you believe as to what another believes and start working on bridging the gap.

Well said.
We are commissioned by Jesus, advised by Peter & Paul to preach the gospel; share the word of God with love and grace; let the whole of the world know this witness, that Jesus, the ONLY Son God, was born of the flesh,he was God that dwelt among us, suffered and died, was buried & rose again for the redemption price of the wages of sin for WHOSOEVER will !
It has NEVER been said of whatsoever denomination nor church organization will !

 

[Phoneman777]

What's wrong with edification? Exhorting one another? Praising God? Encouraging one another?
Why do so many members come in to rage war against one another?
I say it's time to stop being so puffed up in what you believe as to what another believes and start working on bridging the gap.

Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. But, we need to keep in mind Jesus said deception would be the greatest threat to His followers during the end times in which we live.

 

[Phoneman777]

Are we in Jerusalem?

The church is now Israel, according to Galatians 3:29 KJV...and we're all called to be watchmen, of both ourselves and each other, right or wrong?

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus bore testimony of the Father so that we need no longer suck up to God but rather relate to him as a friend.
Any rebukes Jesus or Paul dished out was because the 'religious' were intent; they insisted on sucking up to God.

In my view, the whole sucking disposition results in hypocrisy......it matters not which way it is bent.

So, when the Jews denied the divinity of Jesus and were rebuked by Him as "of your father the devil", was their denial an example of "sucking up to God"?

I prefer to think it was motivated by what motivates many Christians today, both the OSAS License to Sin crowd and the Legalists, as well: stubborn refusal to make a full surrender of their whole heart to God. The OSAS crowd remedies that with their License and the Legalists remedy it with works.

 

[Philip James]

Have you ever been beaten by a zealot?

I am currently on 'unpaid administrative leave' from my job of 30 years because of zealots.. Does that count?

Pax et Bonum

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I am currently on 'unpaid administrative leave' from my job of 30 years because of zealots.. Does that count?

Pax et Bonum

No.

 

[Philip James]

No.

Why not?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Blue Dragonfly,8

I disagree 100 % .

True Love, which is God Himself, is objectively perfect, righteous and Holy

True love always lays itself down for the good of the other whom it loves.

Jesus has reedemed the entire creation!

The only one's who are in hell are those who freely choose death over life..

Each man's choice has ever been this:

I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live,

Pax et Bonum

@Blue Dragonfly's

1 Corinthians 13 friend. There are many definitions of Love probably 7 to 8 in the Greek so your right about subjective loves.

However only one Agape Love, in which God is and provided to all believers by and through the Holy Spirit of God and also the Spirit of Christ.

Love to you.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Why not?

Why not?

I asked if you've ever been beaten by a zealot.

Has nothing to do with a work action like unpaid admin leave.

Btw, your signature, Pax...
Are you Franciscan?

 

[quietthinker]

So, when the Jews denied the divinity of Jesus and were rebuked by Him as "of your father the devil", was their denial an example of "sucking up to God"?

I prefer to think it was motivated by what motivates many Christians today, both the OSAS License to Sin crowd and the Legalists, as well: stubborn refusal to make a full surrender of their whole heart to God. The OSAS crowd remedies that with their License and the Legalists remedy it with works.

Sucking up to God is none other than trapped subjectivism. That's how all humanity operates by default. It's fruit however is one of hypocrisy which is what Jesus rebuked as 'of your father the devil'

The whole sucking phenomena is the result of the mindset of 'doing' to get God's favour. Its chosen prison is threatened by good news that God neither cares for or wants sucking up too.

 

[BeyondET]

The church is now Israel, according to Galatians 3:29 KJV...and we're all called to be watchmen, of both ourselves and each other, right or wrong?

That verse isn't use to bash other denominations get a grip

 

[Philip James]

I asked if you've ever been beaten by a zealot.

Has nothing to do with a work action like unpaid admin leave.

I would suggest being stripped of ones livelihood is as much an injustice as receiving a beating, but regardless, what's your point?

Btw, your signature, Pax...
Are you Franciscan?

No

Just your everyday ordinary catholic schlub.. Thats me

Pax et Bonum

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I would suggest being stripped of ones livelihood is as much an injustice as receiving a beating, but regardless, what's your point?

Do you accept your plight with grace and love toward those who wronged you and stripped you
of your livelihood?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

What trouble? What danger? I read false doctrines all the time on this forum and I just disagree. This false information does not create trouble or danger for me. I suppose an unbeliever can be misled to adopt the wrong path. Don't worry about it. Unless someone is trying to lead people away from Christ to follow Satanic ways, the occult, or luring others into sin, just hold onto your faith, try to correct the person (which probably won't change their minds anyways), disagree, tolerate it or ignore it. This is not a physical church where some people can actually do harm, it's online. Like TV, we can just shut it off. These people aren't in our lives effecting them in an up close and personal way.. More than anything,, I just shake my head and laugh at some of these people who are trying to pretend they are qualified to teach anyone, pretending they are Pastore good a flock. We are all laymen here.
Jesus is the the Author and finisher of our faith so don't worry. All His sheep will hear His voice and follow and the rest will be lost.