attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[quietthinker]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

Jesus attacked....but his weapons of warfare are/were not as mans. Jesus attacked oppression with grace......a principle the mind of the world does not understand....even considers foolish.
Life never begats death...it does the opposite

 

[Cassandra]

Whoever is on this forum are already settled in their faith. Who are you warning? Every denomination who has specific doctrines established by men has deterred away from the Gospel of Jesus. This is why God is restoring the Church...His Church and get it back to what He intended it to be.

Other eyes see this forum besides the ones who post here.

Some folk consider this place an outreach ministry.

 

[amigo de christo]

When calling them snakes and vipers... Was Jesus loving the Pharisees for how they are? Or was He loving them for how they could be... How He wanted them to be according to His will and purposes for them, if they repented. And many did later at hearing the testimony of the Spirit filled apostles after Pentecost. But I strongly disagree that Jesus loved them for how they were. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Do you ever wonder why paul once wrote this , Have i become your enemy because i TELL YOU TRUTH .
OR how about this . Though the more abundantly i love the LESS i be loved . LOVE CORRECTS .
All whom GOD LOVES , as HE TOLD THE LAODICIEAN CHURCH , ALL that I LOVE i CHASTEN and SCOURGE
be zealous therefore and repent . LOVE CORRECTS . HATE allows sin upon the brethren .
And here is the proof of that last line . YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart
you shall in any way rebuke them and not allow SIN upon them . YEAH HATE WONT CORRECT , BUT LOVE DOES . THis generation
has it all backwards now . IT follows another kind of love . Forgetting that satan knows how to use words too .
HE knows how to say love , he knows how to say freedom , tolerance , unity TOO . ONLY HIS VERSION leadeth to death .
IT AINT the bibilcal version of said words that the dragon brings nor those who follow him bring either .
The churches are in dire and grave danger . Another spirit and spirits have arisen and the folks cannot discern the evil from the good
and rather now call evil good and good evil . KEEP CORRECTING . WE must do all to contend for the true faith
WHILE THERE STILL BE TIME TO DO SO .

 

[Grailhunter]

Good post.

So my next question is , How come the churches are quickly accepting this all inclusive many path gospel , WHICH AINT NO GOSPEL .

So many denominations....And certainly the Holy Spirit has taught us or clarified many things outside of the Bible. I do not see Christianity as a static religion. It is like Yeshua said to the Apostles, I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. John 16:12 The question is; These things we are taught, how do we know it is from the Holy Spirit. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1st John 4:1 Test the spirit.

When we are taught that slavery is wrong, is that of God or Satan? And we need to think about it. Of course I am going to say that slavery is bad. Did Yeshua and the Apostles do wrong by not addressing it in the biblical era? No. Slavery was part of the social / economic system of the time period. Everyone had slaves, the Jews, the Christians, and the Romans. And there were different types of slaves and most were sustained one way or another. Not so many chain and ball slaves. It is a long topic, but freedom is a good thing.

But these new things need to be tested. If we look at having tolerance of LGBTQ and gay marriages, we see something that is not natural, they are effectively having sex with poop, it spreads it own lethal disease, child molestation occurs and occurs within their own families....Besides the fact that it is directly forbidden by scripture and is specifically punishable by hell...lake of fire. So the spirit of the church or denomination that tolerates such things cannot be of God. So the rest of what they preach is Fruit of the poisonous tree.

Drug use within these groups is rampant.

On the other hand the Bible discusses abortion indirectly, but an organized system that murders millions of babies is something in our time period...and the Holy Spirit teach us that it is an atrocity and an abomination.

Women's rights and equality is another thing that the Church is still learning.

So testing the character and spirit of things is important.

But i see this so called go spell is being fast accepted .

What is "go spell"?

 

[amigo de christo]

Good post.



So many denominations....And certainly the Holy Spirit has taught us or clarified many things outside of the Bible. I do not see Christianity as a static religion. It is like Yeshua said to the Apostles, I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. John 16:12 The question is; These things we are taught, how do we know it is from the Holy Spirit. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1st John 4:1 Test the spirit.

When we are taught that slavery is wrong, is that of God or Satan? And we need to think about it. Of course I am going to say that slavery is bad. Did Yeshua and the Apostles do wrong by not addressing it in the biblical era? No. Slavery was part of the social / economic system of the time period. Everyone had slaves, the Jews, the Christians, and the Romans. And there were different types of slaves and most were sustained one way or another. Not so many chain and ball slaves. It is a long topic, but freedom is a good thing.

But these new things need to be tested. If we look at having tolerance of LGBTQ and gay marriages, we see something that is not natural, they are effectively having sex with poop, it spreads it own lethal disease, child molestation occurs and occurs within their own families....Besides the fact that it is directly forbidden by scripture and is specifically punishable by hell...lake of fire. So the spirit of the church or denomination that tolerates such things cannot be of God. So the rest of what they preach is Fruit of the poisonous tree.

Drug use within these groups is rampant.

On the other hand the Bible discusses abortion indirectly, but an organized system that murders millions of babies is something in our time period...and the Holy Spirit teach us that it is an atrocity and an abomination.

Women's rights and equality is another thing that the Church is still learning.

So testing the character and spirit of things is important.



What is "go spell"?

Go spell is another word for gospel only its a SPELL not the gospel . SO i call it a GO SPELL . Cause anything
that contradicts the original life saving Gospel IS from total darkness .
SO again i ask how come this generation is so fast to suck up this false love god .
The one who says , so long as you do good and have love , IT DONT MATTER what religion you follow .
ITS a lie from hell . They claim muslims buddists , you name it , so long as they do good and have love THEY ARE FINE
THAT isa lie . THE LOVE that comes from GOD would POINT TO CHRIST ALONE as the only means for salvation .
The LOVE that comes from GOD wont tell gays its okay all is well God is fine with you and all is well . Another lie .
This love god is all over the place . Its in politics , within christendom , and within the false religoins too .
THEY all chant GOD IS LOVE and beleive we all follow the same GOD . NOPE that is A LIE .
ONLY those WHO BELIEVE IN CHRIST HAVE THE FATHER . No other religoin saves , and we sure cant save ourselves either .
ITS BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST that saves . PEROID . I stand on that to the end , cause it is the TRUTH and the ONLY TRUTH that can save one .

 

[MatthewG]

When calling them snakes and vipers... Was Jesus loving the Pharisees for how they are? Or was He loving them for how they could be... How He wanted them to be according to His will and purposes for them, if they repented. And many did later at hearing the testimony of the Spirit filled apostles after Pentecost. But I strongly disagree that Jesus loved them for how they were. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Ah okay then. The old pull out well Jesus wasn’t being friendly to the Pharisees and scribes card.

Ha! Jesus was being very honest and stern with his very own Jewish Brethren… Jesus was giving them a warning that if “They” didn’t repent they were going to suffer the wrath of God that befall the nation…

But you can try to attribute being like Jesus to people in a mean and hateful way if you like…

Jesus said to love…

Either a person listens or they don’t.

It doesn’t matter personally to me cause it has just recently come to my attention that if a person goes around trying to dig into peoples business and personal beliefs and even much more call them a Pharisee and they are snakes and vipers… people have got the scripture confused and twisted… in my opinion

(You can always give truth in a loving and non confrontational way… despite what people may think or feel is necessary) everyone is different and have their own approach and hopefully share when lead by the spirit.

Spirit is always primary.

justmy2cents.

 

[Grailhunter]

LOL I am sure you have heard the phrase....tough love.

SO again i ask how come this generation is so fast to suck up this false love god .

Some raise their young men to be wimps. Don't spank your kids.... Just talk to them.
So when these people grow up they think a good God would not punish wrong or evil. Just talk to a serial killer. It is this twisted thinking that society is teaching our young....violence is bad....God would not hurt anybody. Don't fight for what you believe in....live and let live....Hey sera sera the future is not ours to see...Here is a joint, you will get over it.

So some churches think it being mean not to accept these evil things.

 

[MatthewG]

Correct them if you love them and dont let them drown in destruction of their error .

Sure.

 

[MatthewG]

No.

My love for God precludes me pretending to feel that for the false one who insists Jesus was a man condemned to hell unless he repents of his sin nature.

When Jesus was holy spirit made flesh, God is holy, God is spirit and we must worship him in spirit and truth, and a satanic minded foe enters in and insists that is not true, ignoring, even condemning God's words of correction, I don't love them.

When they insist Jesus was just a man with a sin nature they don't love Jesus.

Is it love from God when he casts that satanic one into hell at their judgement?

Why should we love anyone whom God does not love?

The unforgivable sin God will never forgive is blasphemy of his holy spirit.

If we love God do we love those who repeatedly and with malicious intent, refusing correction, blaspheme God's holy spirit?

Yes we are to love all and even FORGIVE all…

Otherwise we aren’t having love.

Love includes suffering.

Suffering for Christ and dying to the self and allowing Christ to live through you…

I don’t care if a person murdered their own mother… yes the crime is horrible but they shouldnt be deprived of love…

People tend think they are good but the only true Good comes from the Father by and through the believer by the and through the spirit in Jesus name….

It’s sad people don’t realize this… we by nature have been evil since day of our birth and growing up… being needy and greedy…

 

[Brakelite]

When you direct your criticism or warning against a denomination, you WILL be perceived as attacking any and all individuals of that denomination. First, that will make YOU appear “hate-filled” (not one of the Fruit of the Spirit) even if that is not your motivation … so you may bring shame upon your cause. Second, you will predispose your listeners to closing their ears to whatever message you are attempting to present.

The people are not your enemy. Powers and principalities are your enemy. You WANT the people to hear.

I suggest that you turn it around and focus on the TRUTH. Start with a clear statement of what God DOES SAY as your starting point and present it. Paul and Jesus often used the technique “You have heard it said …” “But I say …” (point - counterpoint) and you can too. You could quote from some official, specific Dogma that you think FALSE (without the need to state who believes it) and the present the BIBLICAL TRUTH as a counterpoint. Those that believe the lie will identify themselves and come to defend it … then you are free to correct THEIR ATTACK on the truth which you have presented.

The more you can present TRUTH in love, the more you will be heard. “XYZ is the Anti-Christ” will be heard by no one that does not already believe that or who just came looking to fight about it. “God says ‘You shall worship Me alone’” is a topic that people will at least HEAR.

That's wise counsel. There was a wise woman who said a while ago, that we ought never go hard against those we know are in the wrong, but to tread softly, until such time as they know we are genuine Christians, and have only their best interests at heart, then patiently and with care, speak the truth in love. This is never easy on the internet.
I have always endeavored to do this in my time on this forum. That will never change, and you are right. You attack a person's church, and they take that personally. Some liken it to an attack upon their mother.
Thing is this. We are living in the end times. Jesus is returning very soon, and there is coming a time of trouble such as never was, nor ever will be. (Daniel 12:1) We have no idea of the depth of evil... The intensity of opposition... And the raw capacity for hatred that will soon be exhibited against us. Not only by the world. Not only by government. But by those we are presently living with. Our wives and children. Our neighbors. Our workmates. Those with whom we shared meals. Those who know our most intimate secrets. Those who at any other time, we would expect nothing less than respect and love. But even more difficult than that, will be the attacks upon us from within our own churches. Babylon the Great is a composite of churches, many of whom we are now currently fellowshipping in. The division between the sheep and the goats is already taking place. It's splitting churches, communities, families. It's more than just woke gender stuff. It's more than abortion and popular politics. It's more than international relations and Facebook spying on its members. What's coming is a global takeover of every facet of our everyday living. Our finances. Our social life. Our work places. Our schools. And our worship. And we are not ready. We love our denominations and churches, we have friends there, shared experiences at church camps and pot- luck meals, Bible study groups... In other words we are attached at the hip, but many of those things we are attached to will be the death of us if we aren't willing to let go. If we don't have a love for truth... The Truth... We will believe and accept any lie, any deception, including the mark of the beast which will destroy our faith and our hope. It is essential we keep communications open. Such communications may hurt, but if it's Truth we need, and Truth we want, we will be able to discern truth from error and no harm done, and maybe someone may accept and be saved. What I fear is that as we come closer to the end, and the holy Spirit requires closer examination of our hearts and lives in order to prepare is for the coming crisis, in order to avoid controversy forums such as this may go the way of the world media today... Shut down honest debate in fear of being discovered naked and in need of being clothed with the righteousness of Christ.
In order to be prepared for Christs coming, we need the narrow way of truth and righteousness now. Not later. The things of this world need to be shed now. Later will be too late because it is now that Jesus wants to prepare us with the faith and intimate knowledge of truth, in order to be strong enough to be prepared for what is to come.
If the watchmen are silenced, what hope the church?

 

[Brakelite]

Whoever is on this forum are already settled in their faith. Who are you warning? Every denomination who has specific doctrines established by men has deterred away from the Gospel of Jesus. This is why God is restoring the Church...His Church and get it back to what He intended it to be.

It isn't the doctrines we all share and agree with that we need to discuss. It's the ones we don't agree on... It's the ones that make us different we need to discuss, debate, and if necessary, defend. For some of us we will be required to stand before magistrates and defend our faith against the sophistries and lies that Satan has infected the counterfeit state church with. Here is where that begins, because many here will be heading in the direction of attaching themselves to Babylon, and be seduced by her lies. Catholicism... As an institution... Has a history that is seldom discussed, but it was only a few generations ago that out forbears lived that history. My own forbears having to escape France to save their lives and live in freedom. The question is... Has Rome changed? Prophecy says no, she hasn't. Leopards don't change their spots. Cannot.
KJV Revelation 13:2
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority .
KJV Jeremiah 13:23
23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

This isn't solely about doctrine. It's about character. It's about three innate nature of the beasts of prophecy. All the beasts of prophecy are by nature predatory, carnivorous, inherently evil. Those beasts represent real active living institutions that we must deal with every day of our lives. Even though some were historical entities, they continue in character in those entities who inherited their power and authority. Are we to stand by and watch our neighbors and those we love attach themselves to these institutions because they look attractive, say the right words, but are by nature corrupt and want only global power and authority over every aspect of our lives? Do you really believe that Rome was ever only satisfied with dominating Europe?

 

[Brakelite]

Ah okay then. The old pull out well Jesus wasn’t being friendly to the Pharisees and scribes card.

Ha! Jesus was being very honest and stern with his very own Jewish Brethren… Jesus was giving them a warning that if “They” didn’t repent they were going to suffer the wrath of God that befall the nation…

But you can try to attribute being like Jesus to people in a mean and hateful way if you like…

Jesus said to love…

Either a person listens or they don’t.

It doesn’t matter personally to me cause it has just recently come to my attention that if a person goes around trying to dig into peoples business and personal beliefs and even much more call them a Pharisee and they are snakes and vipers… people have got the scripture confused and twisted… in my opinion

(You can always give truth in a loving and non confrontational way… despite what people may think or feel is necessary) everyone is different and have their own approach and hopefully share when lead by the spirit.

Spirit is always primary.

justmy2cents.

You completely misread my post. I wasn't saying Jesus was being mean in order to justify meanness. I was telling you that Jesus was rebuking, but with love. He still loved them, despite their hypocritical and murderous intent. But He did not love them how they were. You were saying we should live people as they are, and accept them as they are. No. We should love them into becoming new creatures in Christ.

 

[Phoneman777]

Specifically discuss a biblical truth that is being twisted by false teachers/doctrines.
Example...Jesus taught us to pray to the Father but there are churches who believe it is OK to pray and ask other saints of the Bible to hear their prayer..... Now there is no specified denomination in my statement. And includes all churches that teach this.

Christians are supposed to be the best equipped people to deal with criticism, attack, etc....because "the servant is not greater than his Master" our Lord Jesus Christ "Who endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself". Isn't His example of how to deal with criticism ours to follow? What was HIS response to criticism? An appeal to those in authority to silence His opposition? No, He simply quoted from Scripture with unanswerable argument.

If that's the case, why do so many need their "wittle feewings" protected from criticism and attack? Why can't we just name the church that says we ought to pray to Mary and "dead Christians" - the Roman Catholic church? Isn't the coddling of those who ought to be the least in need of it harmful, considering how such political correctness has left the political left hopelessly intolerant of anyone who speaks truth to their satanic culture of victimhood?

Christians ought to welcome criticism of our beliefs, that we may examine them to see "if we be in the faith". I'm willing to be accused all day long of being a lost, works-based salvation legalist for teaching we must keep the 7th day Sabbath as long as they're willing to show me why my positions are wrong. They never do. They tell me we don't have to keep the Ten Commandments, so I ask them which ones are we allowed to break, the 1st, the 3rd, the 6th? Shockingly, almost always there's no answer...except an occasional nutjob who thinks we can hitch a chariot ride to heaven with a prostitute under each arm, a blunt hanging out our mouth, booze bottles rolling around our feet, and a upside down pentagram "goat of Mendes" tattoo right across our forehead.

While I respect the TOS, it is my belief that when we start telling people they can't criticize Catholicism, Mormonism, JWs, or even my Seventh-day Adventist faith as "false doctrine" we accomplish nothing except to move our culture closer to a total abolishment of free speech. We know that's Satan's end game in order to prohibit the preaching of the Gospel, but do Christians need to be providing him assistance?

 

[Brakelite]

Let God deal with it, let them be, the site doesn't want it and they are the owners so.

KJV Isaiah 62:6-7
6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
7 And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

What is the purpose of a Brakelite?

 

[Phoneman777]

Those who are fully confident in their beliefs don't need to circle their intellectual wagons around them when a challenge arises, and shouldn't be offended when shown the religious system to which they belong doesn't stand the test of Biblical scrutiny --- they should praise God that in His mercy He's sent them the truth.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Those who are fully confident in their beliefs don't need to circle their intellectual wagons around them when a challenge arises, and shouldn't be offended when shown the religious system to which they belong doesn't stand the test of Biblical scrutiny --- they should praise God that in His mercy He's sent them the truth.

Awesome statement !

 

[Aunty Jane]

An undefended faith is not worth having IMO....But do we believe that God knows who belongs to him? (2 Timothy 2:19)
Do we also realize that he will not correct those who, of their own free will, choose to believe convenient lies, rather than an inconvenient truth?

Only at the judgment will the “sheep and the goats” become clearly identified.....the sheep will be humbly giving thanks, whilst the goats will be busy offering their excuses.

Matthew 7:21-23....
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (ESV)

It is not we who determine what is truth.....and a receptive heart will accommodate even what seems wrong to the majority, because it is God “making (the seed of truth) grow”, regardless of who planted or watered it. There is one truth...not many versions of it, so if we are determined to hold on to what is not truth, God will let us entertain whatever “delusion” appeals to us. He will not make our decisions for us. Our choices will tell him everything he needs to know about us.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12....
“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
(ESV)

How do we know that what WE believe is not a delusion? The truth is we don’t. But since Jesus said....
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. . . . . “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (John 6:44; 65 ESV)....we can be sure that only those who love the truth rather than the delusion of their choice, will be granted entry into God’s Kingdom by the only one who is not fooled by outward appearances.

It is clear that the ones practicing "lawlessness" have no idea that they are doing anything wrong.....their "Christianity" seem right in their eyes. But there is only one "right" way to worship the God and Father of Jesus Christ.

What we do here is exchange ideas about what we believe, and see whether they hold up under scrutiny.....could be that the ones yelling “heresy” the loudest, are the most deluded...? Confidence is no guarantee that our way of worship is correct. But since it is God who chooses us.....who are we going to offer our excuses to?

 

[Rita]

This is just my opinion but often as not it’s how things are communicated that turn it into an attack, the words we choose to use and the direct judgments about where a person stands before the Lord. The words expressed are more a reflection of what is in our hearts , and every single member knows the rules of membership here. Very few self examine how they have communicated and automatically put the responsibility at the door of those who report things. Offence can and is taken by many members who end up crossing a line with the rules and facing the consequences….and then it’s often us mods who get the backlash.

The reality is that the forum has rules that were set up, they should be enough to give people guidelines as to what is acceptable and what isn’t. The attitude that says ‘I don’t care if I get banned ‘ ….well what does that say about respecting forum rules. No where in the rules does it state that you cannot convey what you believe , the rules are about how we treat people and how you choose to say it.
Someone mentioned about others watching the forum , observing, and being concerned about the witness. Well it’s a shame that so many disregard that reality and just choose to rip someone to pieces just because they believe something different and believe that the truth needs to be conveyed at all costs regardless of how it is relayed.

Rita

 

[Grailhunter]

An undefended faith is not worth having IMO....But do we believe that God knows who belongs to him? (2 Timothy 2:19)
Do we also realize that he will not correct those who, of their own free will, choose to believe convenient lies, rather than an inconvenient truth?

Only at the judgment will the “sheep and the goats” become clearly identified.....the sheep will be humbly giving thanks, whilst the goats will be busy offering their excuses.

Matthew 7:21-23....
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (ESV)

It is not we who determine what is truth.....and a receptive heart will accommodate even what seems wrong to the majority, because it is God “making (the seed of truth) grow”, regardless of who planted or watered it. There is one truth...not many versions of it, so if we are determined to hold on to what is not truth, God will let us entertain whatever “delusion” appeals to us. He will not make our decisions for us. Our choices will tell him everything he needs to know about us.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12....
“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
(ESV)

How do we know that what WE believe is not a delusion? The truth is we don’t. But since Jesus said....
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. . . . . “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (John 6:44; 65 ESV)....we can be sure that only those who love the truth rather than the delusion of their choice, will be granted entry into God’s Kingdom by the only one who is not fooled by outward appearances.

It is clear that the ones practicing "lawlessness" have no idea that they are doing anything wrong.....their "Christianity" seem right in their eyes. But there is only one "right" way to worship the God and Father of Jesus Christ.

What we do here is exchange ideas about what we believe, and see whether they hold up under scrutiny.....could be that the ones yelling “heresy” the loudest, are the most deluded...? Confidence is no guarantee that our way of worship is correct. But since it is God who chooses us.....who are we going to offer our excuses to?

Not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. Galatians 1:7

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! Galatians 1:8

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1st John 4:1

Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28

There has been a lot of heresies in history....Gnostics and some of them referred to Yahweh as a cruel and insane God. And then there were those that disagreed with various doctrines and such.....but none like the Jehovah's witnesses. The audacity to preach that Yeshua was not a God and to print a Bible to support it. Because they preach a false belief and Christians take exception to it, as well they should, they play the victim card.

This religion has little history and what little it has is full of corruption, abuse of its members, and numerous failed prophecies from Charles "Taze" Russell and others. I challenge if it is even Christian....More like some variant of Judaism, focusing on Yahweh, hence it name, and denying the Deity of Yeshua. Of course they are not worried about being accursed because they do not believe in hell either. They can blaspheme the Son of God and figure they will not be punished for it.

I have had more involvement with the Jehovah's witnesses than I would want to. I have had more than one in my grip. My aunt was a Jehovah's witness and I watched in the Kingdom Hall as they huddled together and weaved their heresy against the Son of God. My aunt's life was shorted because she followed their beliefs about blood transfusions during a mastectomy.

How many types of Anti-Christs are there? Some say that Jehovah's witnesses are a cult. The actual definition of cult is a little ambiguous. But the experts call them a cult. Now I am not a professional interventionist but because I am an educated theologian I have been asked to attend interventions....a total of three if I remember correctly that involved professional interventionists and a few that I was asked by family members to discuss the religion with young people and one that involved a young lady that was held against her will....that one involved law enforcement....and I had to testify in court.

And again if you ask a professional interventionist if the Jehovah's witnesses are a cult...they will tell you that they are. And they will also tell you that short of using drugs, restraints, and equipment, they employ a method of deep mind programming that is difficult to break. Talk to someone that has tried to leave the Jehovah's witnesses, you will get an ear full. And there is the practice of excommunication of family members. They have a practice of not allowing their children to have cell phones...to easy to call for help.

So bottom line do people need to be warned about these people that come knocking at their door. They are deceivers...LOL...I have witnessed them teaching and practicing their method of approaching people....they are not going to tell people up front that they do not believe Yeshua was / is a God. So what are these people....are they Christian? They do not fit my definition of a Christian. Are they an Anti-Christ organization? What do you call someone that denies the Deity of Christ? What would the Apostles call them? Be forewarned!

The Johnny Appleseed of Truth.....Be good and do good.

 

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It's interesting that as far as we know, not once did Jesus ever rebuke or vilify the Roman authority and occupation. That was a solely political entity which I'm the overall scheme of things didn't seem to concern Jesus, yet at that time allowed limited religious freedom to Israel. Rebel against the political rule, and look out. Some may be surprised to learn that Genghis Khan had a similar attitude toward religion. One could worship who of what they wanted, but submit to him politically, and there would be no issues.
The trouble came when the church began to persecute dissenters. Jesus warned this would take place. That there would soon come when those killing you would think they were doing God a favor. The thing is though, in order to accomplish this, it was necessary for the church to make concessions and join with the government and state power who retained to itself the power of execution. One way for the church to accomplish this was to have the state of religious laws, so that anyone disobeying the church automatically became a state revolutionary. During the dark ages this became the status quo for centuries, necessitating entire nations to become enemies of the state solely because of religious disputes with the state church. This took place in relation to both Catholic and Protestant kings and queens and princess, depending on who was in power at the time and what side the king favored.
Everyone understands this history, although the seriousness and impact of these policies today are disputed depending on what side one stands.
That combination of church and state today is not so evident, although it is clear that the church through various influences and lobbyists, and perhaps block voting and advertising, can certainly influence the outcome of elections. In the future however this situation becomes a massive prophetic issue. Worship becomes the central issue in the final days, and the final political players, the two beasts of Revelation 13, end up playing a vital role in spring church doctrine and legislates laws that favor one church over all others. Those results in persecution on a global scale the likes of which never before seen.
This needs to be discussed openly at all levels.