attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

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amigo de christo said: ↑
So my next question is , How come the churches are quickly accepting this all inclusive many path gospel , WHICH AINT NO GOSPEL .

Inanutshell....$$$$$ ... tickled ears feels good.

* The majority of the people WANT PEACE.
* If they GO, GATHER, to a place that PEACE abounds, it makes them feel good about themselves, they will continue.
* If they Continue...the pews are filled...the $$$$$ pours into the church.
* If the $$$$$ pours into the church....the church “leaders” become lavishly wealthy.

WHAT is this “PEACE”?
Tolerance, Acceptance, of whatever lifestyle they choose is A-okay.

WHAT is the HARM?
Isn’t everyone happy, feeling good, peaceful, loving everyone, all in agreement?

The HARM is .... ALL IN AGREEMENT.
Jesus taught LOVE EVERYONE....”NOT” ALL IN AGREEMENT.
Jesus taught DIVISION.
Jesus taught Friends AND Enemy.
Friends are in Agreement.
Enemies are in Agreement.
Love Everyone.
However Friends and Enemies are NOT IN THE SAME AGREEMENT.

Same AGREEMENT of Accepting Christ the Lord Jesus as their Savior?
YES

Promoting, agreeing, fostering, accepting CORRUPTED Lifestyles, Corrupted Precepts?
NO.

The HARM ^^

 

[MatthewG]

You completely misread my post. I wasn't saying Jesus was being mean in order to justify meanness. I was telling you that Jesus was rebuking, but with love. He still loved them, despite their hypocritical and murderous intent. But He did not love them how they were. You were saying we should live people as they are, and accept them as they are. No. We should love them into becoming new creatures in Christ.

Okay.

 

[Phoneman777]

Jesus attacked....but his weapons of warfare are/were not as mans. Jesus attacked oppression with grace......a principle the mind of the world does not understand....even considers foolish.
Life never begats death...it does the opposite

Jesus, John, Paul and others didn't allow "grace" to cripple their tongues. We know exactly to whom their stern rebukes were directed. When it comes to the Jews, the pen of inspiration well tells us:

• Jesus called them children "of the devil".
• He called them "hypocrites".
• He called them "white sepulchers full of dead men's bones".
• John the Baptist called them "vipers".
• Paul called them "unworthy of eternal life".

Martin Luther so despised how the Jews treated Jesus and the Gospel that his quill might be referred to as the "pen of evisceration". He wrote sarcastically:

"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that when he farts, God and all the angels dance?"​

I defy any man to criticize as "anti-semitic" and "lacking grace" any of these above, including the intrepid Martin Luther, the champion of the Protestant Reformation to whom we owe a debt of gratitude for having the boldness to stand up against religious tyranny and secure for posterity the religious freedom so enjoyed by us today. Shall we who shed no blood or spent not one cent for this freedom now sacrifice it upon the altar of "Ecumenicalism" with the "strange fire" of political correctness?

 

[amigo de christo]

Upon the table of Ecumenicalism they have made sacrfices to their all inclusive golden bull as they burn their strange fire of PC all inclusive .
Phoneman triple sevens had a point . And i for one refuse to honor their golden bull or sit at their table of compromise .
We go out exposing that which is deadly and false and we procliam TRUTH , the gospel and all things our LORD did teach .
As for blood shed , Get ready cause this so called love god is about to bring its so called solution
of COMFORM OR ELSE . The hour of ecumicalism is fast approaching and will head right into an hour
of the great inquisition and the crusades of a holy war against all who conformed not to the image of the all inclusive we are one unity god
and beast who it sits under . Get ready to lose all and be hated , BUT REMEMBER THIS , IN THE END WE are only in a far better place
But unto all who served under the inclusive love god , Their end will be the same place as their god goes , FOR HE WAS AND IS THE DRAGON
who had decieved them all . Thus its the lake of fire . SO we need to get busy pointing to JESUS and fast
so as some souls can be saved .

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Yes we are to love all and even FORGIVE all…

Otherwise we aren’t having love.

Love includes suffering.

Suffering for Christ and dying to the self and allowing Christ to live through you…

I don’t care if a person murdered their own mother… yes the crime is horrible but they shouldnt be deprived of love…

People tend think they are good but the only true Good comes from the Father by and through the believer by the and through the spirit in Jesus name….

It’s sad people don’t realize this… we by nature have been evil since day of our birth and growing up… being needy and greedy…

What if they killed your mom? Or wife?
Do you love them still?

 

[MatthewG]

What if they killed your mom? Or wife?
Do you love them still?

Yes…

This is the purpose of Christ… to forgive and love. To suffer with Him… Jesus forgave those who were killing Him.

Most don’t understand this nor even want to consider this at all…

Sad however it doesn’t make a difference to me what people do… I’m the only person walking around in my own body, either abiding in Christ and choosing to live by the spirit or live by my flesh (greed, hatred, etc.)

It seems most people don’t really know what true love is defined as… founded in 1 Corinthians 13… the biblically sound definition of what true love in its purest form.

(This doesn’t mean a person won’t have resentment and grief at least for a little while having lost a love one or even hatred or righteous anger towards the human being).

…

 

[MatthewG]

One more thing is that people who see people who abide in Christ in which 1 Corinthians 13 defined love comes through and from (the Father in heaven by the spirit).

Just see people as sissies or that person is know as weaker than others for who like to be brutal and fight and try to contend with others for matchment like who got laid by how much chicks or who got to drink as many beers compared to the other, or fights about politics and on and on and on…

Abiding in Christ being born again your new found vision being in Christ takes away the worldly aspect and you have no need to compete with anyone…

It’s quite amazing.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Jesus, John, Paul and others didn't allow "grace" to cripple their tongues. We know exactly to whom their stern rebukes were directed. When it comes to the Jews, the pen of inspiration well tells us:

• Jesus called them children "of the devil".
• He called them "hypocrites".
• He called them "white sepulchers full of dead men's bones".
• John the Baptist called them "vipers".
• Paul called them "unworthy of eternal life".

Martin Luther so despised how the Jews treated Jesus and the Gospel that his quill might be referred to as the "pen of evisceration". He wrote sarcastically:

"Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that when he farts, God and all the angels dance?"​

I defy any man to criticize as "anti-semitic" and "lacking grace" any of these above, including the intrepid Martin Luther, the champion of the Protestant Reformation to whom we owe a debt of gratitude for having the boldness to stand up against religious tyranny and secure for posterity the religious freedom so enjoyed by us today. Shall we who shed no blood or spent not one cent for this freedom now sacrifice it upon the altar of "Ecumenicalism" with the "strange fire" of political correctness?

The time and place for the use of such weapons is not the forum. Moderators will handle any posts that deal with blasphemy and heresy.
So if you can understand that each and every member chose to join this forum to fellowship with one another. To discuss their beliefs without being persecuted for it.
If you want a platform to expose lies of Satan then perhaps creating your own forum would be better suited for you to do so.
Sometimes members may need to go back and read the rules pertaining to this forum. Moderators are to do our best in keeping these rules in place.
What's wrong with edification? Exhorting one another? Praising God? Encouraging one another?
Why do so many members come in to rage war against one another?
I say it's time to stop being so puffed up in what you believe as to what another believes and start working on bridging the gap.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Yes…

This is the purpose of Christ… to forgive and love. To suffer with Him… Jesus forgave those who were killing Him.

Most don’t understand this nor even want to consider this at all…

Sad however it doesn’t make a difference to me what people do… I’m the only person walking around in my own body, either abiding in Christ and choosing to live by the spirit or live by my flesh (greed, hatred, etc.)

It seems most people don’t really know what true love is defined as… founded in 1 Corinthians 13… the biblically sound definition of what true love in its purest form.

(This doesn’t mean a person won’t have resentment and grief at least for a little while having lost a love one or even hatred or righteous anger towards the human being).

…

True love is subjective.

Jesus forgave those who crucified him because they were obeying their destiny.
He had to die to save those he chose to save before the foundation of this world.

He loves us.
Those who's names he did not write in his Lamb's Book of eternal life he casts into hell.
No, they didn't choose hell as some insist.
They go to hell because God didn't choose to save them before the foundation of the world.

He didn't choose to lead them to his good news they could only understand if his spirit lifted the hardness he created in natural man who is unable tounderstand the things of the spirit. And be saved.

As Jesus told us.

He taught salvation in parables so not everyone would understand and be saved.


We were made in the image and likeness of God in the beginning. Then after our parents became like God, knowing good and evil, we've become what are described in the old testament.

Was love there?

You know, we make these bandaids for ourselves laying them over scenarios that don't actually exist.

''If someone murdered my family I'd love them. I'd forgive them.''
But we haven't lost our family to murder. So it's just talk.
Just as saying that behavior and attitude emulates Christ, who was God.
While we ignore love doesn't reflect itself in Numbers 21, Exodus 12:12, 1 Samuel 15, and so forth.
This world?
Is the image and likeness of God.

 

[Raccoon1010]

What if they killed your mom? Or wife?
Do you love them still?

That's a tough question. Until we live it we really can't say I think, at least that's true for me. I still remember the members of the Charleston church forgiving the shooter in trial. True Christians in an example like Christ. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...harleston-church-victims-address-dylann-roof/

 

[Philip James]

True love is subjective

Hello Blue Dragonfly,8

I disagree 100 % .

True Love, which is God Himself, is objectively perfect, righteous and Holy

True love always lays itself down for the good of the other whom it loves.

Jesus has reedemed the entire creation!

The only one's who are in hell are those who freely choose death over life..

Each man's choice has ever been this:

I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live,

Pax et Bonum

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

That's a tough question. Until we live it we really can't say I think, at least that's true for me. I still remember the members of the Charleston church forgiving the shooter in trial. True Christians in an example like Christ. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...harleston-church-victims-address-dylann-roof/

Curious isn't it?

I remember the breaking news when the child molester Charles Roberts entered an Amish school in Pennsylvania years ago.
He opens fire and kills 5 little girls, injures 5 more. The Amish, who are pacifists, had guns. They heard the gunshots and ran to the school. They never went to rescue their babies.
Instead, they forgave their murderer, who committed suicide on scene.

Maybe they forgave him because they knew hell was waiting.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Hello Blue Dragonfly,8

I disagree 100 % .

True Love, which is God Himself, is objectively perfect, righteous and Holy

True love always lays itself down for the good of the other whom it loves.

Jesus has reedemed the entire creation!

The only one's who are in hell are those who freely choose death over life..

Each man's choice has ever been this:

I call heaven and earth today to witness against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then, that you and your descendants may live,

Pax et Bonum

I know what your church teaches.

However, no one comes to Christ unless God leads them.

And only those whose name was written in the Lambs Book of Life before the creation of the world are called.

Only they can understand the gospel. As Jesus tells us.

Just as Jesus told his disciples and others who followed him. They didn't choose him. He chose them.

No one is in hell yet. As Revelation tells us.
Hell was made for Satan and his angels first.
Then God opened it to receive those he didn't choose to save.

Love is objective.

 

[Raccoon1010]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

To answer the OP: I would say that you can propose your belief and even state why you reject other's beliefs in a way that isn't attacking. I wouldn't start a thread against any particular denomination as I don't think that is a good place to start to stay within the rules.

And I've seen in the past that peacefully stating our beliefs and even stating why we don't follow someone else's beliefs may win converts far better than going on the offensive or throwing the "satan" and "evil" words into the mix which are probably against the rules. But I think from what I've seen that wins converts is explaining the benefits of our beliefs and how they are positive towards God and our lives. I'm not sure that is what you are indicating in the OP but it sounds like it.

 

[Philip James]

Love is objective.

True love is subjective.

Ok, you lost me here, which are you trying to say?

Pax et Bonum

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Ok, you lost me here, which are you trying to say?

Pax et Bonum

I already said it in my first post.
My second closed with your observation regarding love.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Curious isn't it?

I remember the breaking news when the child molester Charles Roberts entered an Amish school in Pennsylvania years ago.
He opens fire and kills 5 little girls, injuries 5 more. The Amish, who are pacifists, had guns. They heard the gunshots and ran to the school. They never went to rescue their babies.
Instead, they forgave their mmurderer, who committed suicide on scene.

Maybe they forgave him because they knew hell was waiting.

Probably. I'm often concerned after reading about near death experiences of people that attempted suicide alone and apart from the terrible sin of hurting children. There are negative near death experiences and positive ones. And the negative ones are often associated with suicide.

So while we are commanded to forgive all by Jesus as a requirement of our forgiveness (Matthew 6:14-15). I think hurting children and adding suicide to that makes for a certain judgment from God as spelled out in the bible.

I often find myself praying that God will not subject me to certain atrocities so that I am not tempted more than I can bare. Would I forgive them? Not sure.

 

[Philip James]

I already said it in my first post.
My second closed with your observation regarding love.

Ok, so just to clarify, without taking away anything else you said in your posts:

These two statements are contradictory:

True love is subjective

Love is objective

Are you then, retracting the first and agreeing with me that true love is objective?

Pax et Bonum

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Ok, so just to clarify, without taking away anything else you said in your posts:

These two statements are contradictory:





Are you then, retracting the first and agreeing with me that true love is objective?

Pax et Bonum

OK, I'll reword again.

I stated love is subjective.

You disagreed 100% and claimed love us objective.

I replied with a narrative and closed the narrative with your prior observation about live. Love is objective.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

When I read the new testament that those in control of the church cobbled together I consider their motives for adding certain parts.

Namely to make slaves if the faithful.

''Slaves obey your masters....'' , ''Obey the emperor.''
''Love your enemies...''

Forgive no matter what.
If you're robbed of something offer the thief more.

Given those edicts assured Rome's conquest of those they'd convert and reign over after, and would likely preclude rebellion, I consider the old testament first.

And being God is the same forever and does not change, I know God wasn't like that in the old testament.

God decreed eye for an eye...then contradicted himself in the new testament?

God revenged wrongs. God destroyed his enemies. God did not forgive,nor forget.
And one of God's moral commands was, thou shalt not steal.

So it should tell us to exercise discernment,as we are told in the NT, when we're told to not resist an evil person.
And when we're told to give a thief more after they've taken our purse.

If we think ourselves ever obedient to what is written, rather than compelled to exercise discernment , think, on what we're told to accept, and that's then what it ,means to be Christ like, we'd never lock our homes or cars.

If it is a matter of absolutes.

If we believe God seats those in power over us and we're to obey, we're sitting dick's for the arrival into power by the Antichrist.

Being Christ like,like God, is wholly different than what the sheep are told to assume as their concessionary behavior to the world we're in but not part of.
If we're not of the world why would we think we have to concede to be docile when the world acts out against us? God isn't.

Probably. I'm often concerned after reading about near death experiences of people that attempted suicide alone and apart from the terrible sin of hurting children. There are negative near death experiences and positive ones. And the negative ones are often associated with suicide.

So while we are commanded to forgive all by Jesus as a requirement of our forgiveness (Matthew 6:14-15). I think hurting children and adding suicide to that makes for a certain judgment from God as spelled out in the bible.

I often find myself praying that God will not subject me to certain atrocities so that I am not tempted more than I can bare. Would I forgive them? Not sure.