The Pre-Trib Rapture

[Truth7t7]

It is one thing for you to not know, to not understand.
* It is quite another thing for you to PREACH AGAINST Gods WORD.

Men are not claiming a 1,000 year kingdom on Earth.
Men ARE agreeing with the Word of God, regarding a 1,000 year kingdom on Earth.
You go beyond revealing you DO NOT know, believe, trust the WORD of God, TO Preaching AGAINST THE Word of God.

You should LEARN the consequences FOR WHAT YOU DO.

Luke 13:
[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[27] But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

And those who agree with you should LEARN the consequences FOR WHAT THEY DO.

Rom 1:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Eph 4:
[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:



You have been HEARD...LOUD and CLEAR.

They WHO LIVE and reign WITH Christ for 1,000 years are THEY WHO ARE witness OF and FOR the Word of God.
Clearly, you witness AGAINST the Word of God.

Rev 20
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Always an “US and THEM”... Not a mystery to know who is who.

Glory to God,
Taken

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

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Also the Millennium on earth is not for the church. It is for OT prophecy regarding Israel. Life goes on for those on earth, like life went on in 30AD, and those released from Abraham's bosom did not take up residence on earth during the fulness of the Gentiles. Now that the fulness of the Gentiles is completed at the Second Coming, the church continues on in Paradise. The church will not return until the New Jerusalem comes down to earth.

That is an interesting line of reasoning. I want to consider that.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

Luke 23:27-31 KJV
27) And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
28) But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29) For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
30) Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
31) For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

You are thinking that this above means that the below is not as stated?

Romans 11:26-27 KJV
26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Much love!

Jesus said that Luke 23 Scripture, I didn't. And you still have NOT recognized what Jesus said in the Matthew 8:11-12 Scripture either. You well know He was pointing to the UNBELIEVING JEWS with that idea of "the children of the kingdom" being cast to the "outer darkness".

Matt 8:11-12
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

Even in the vineyard parable Jesus gave in Matthew 21, He said this about the unbelieving Jews...

Matt 21:42-43
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
KJV

So HOW do you reconcile all that by Jesus with the Romans 11 Scripture you keeping wanting to ISOLATE, as if there's no other Scripture like what I showed??

 

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Jesus said that Luke 23 Scripture, I didn't. And you still have NOT recognized what Jesus said in the Matthew 8:11-12 Scripture either. You well know He was pointing to the UNBELIEVING JEWS with that idea of "the children of the kingdom" being cast to the "outer darkness".

Matt 8:11-12
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

Even in the vineyard parable Jesus gave in Matthew 21, He said this about the unbelieving Jews...

Matt 21:42-43
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
KJV

So HOW do you reconcile all that by Jesus with the Romans 11 Scripture you keeping wanting to ISOLATE, as if there's no other Scripture like what I showed??

You apply these passages to the end of the age Jews contrary to the other prophecies. While they apply very much to those to whom He was speaking, without contradicting those other passages.

"The kingdom of God shall be taken from . . . you.

The vineyard WAS taken from them, and given to another.

Daniel 12:2 KJV
2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

We have to be able to understand this passages in such a way that none are rendered untrue because of our understanding of another passage.

I don't want to be in the position of having to say, "Even though the Bible says all Israel will be saved . . . they won't be". I think that shows not all has been correctly understood.

Much love!

 

[Taken]

Quote: Taken post #2429 Below

"There is no scripture that says Jesus opens any seals."

WELL? Accommodating your hissy fit...carry on.

Post ONE scripture that says those words!

 

[Davy]

Sorry, but no human can just "fly away". You are arguing a strawman.

The church is removed by God, at the Second Coming. Many call that flying away, because all those left behind will be watching in horror.

Hey, YOU said it, I didn't.

Christ's Church is gathered and relocated on earth, not 'removed' from the earth to live in Heaven, which is what the false Pre-trib Rapture teaches. Zechariah 14 says when Jesus' feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives, He brings ALL the saints with Him there.

Zech 14:1-9
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

That above is about the 6th Vial event of His gathering the nations together in prep for the battle of Armageddon, in prep of His pouring out His cup of wrath upon them for the final 7th Vial, on the LAST DAY of this world, called the "day of the Lord" (Revelation 16:15-21).

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Per Acts 1, Jesus ascended to Heaven from the Mount of Olives in sight of His disciples. That is where this show He also returns, to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH. So He is coming to EARTH, not gonna' hang in the clouds, nor bounce back up into Heaven like a rubber ball. He is coming here, to earth, where He left earth.

And His feet touch the Mount of Olives, it will form a GREAT VALLEY in that area.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.

That... is where Jesus is descending from Heaven to, gathering His saints on the way, and they ALL go to that Mount of Olives area in Jerusalem, ON EARTH.

This... is what is written about 'where' Jesus returns, not some milly-mouthed hireling that preaches his own word and the devil's false agenda of Pre-trib Rapture theory instead of God's Word, simply because God did not call that hireling.


6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

There's Jesus' reference in The New Testament that no one but The Father knows the day of His coming.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

That is about the River of the waters of life that will issue out of the Millennial sanctuary there in Jerusalem in that future time after His return. God gave Ezekiel to cover that in the Ezekiel 40 through 47 chapters.


9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.
KJV

In that day, no more false gods, no more false religions, nor idol worship, ONLY One LORD reigning as KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS, as written in Revelation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hey, YOU said it, I didn't.

Christ's Church is gathered and relocated on earth, not 'removed' from the earth to live in Heaven, which is what the false Pre-trib Rapture teaches. Zechariah 14 says when Jesus' feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives, He brings ALL the saints with Him there.

Zech 14:1-9
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

That above is about the 6th Vial event of His gathering the nations together in prep for the battle of Armageddon, in prep of His pouring out His cup of wrath upon them for the final 7th Vial, on the LAST DAY of this world, called the "day of the Lord" (Revelation 16:15-21).

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Per Acts 1, Jesus ascended to Heaven from the Mount of Olives in sight of His disciples. That is where this show He also returns, to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH. So He is coming to EARTH, not gonna' hang in the clouds, nor bounce back up into Heaven like a rubber ball. He is coming here, to earth, where He left earth.

And His feet touch the Mount of Olives, it will form a GREAT VALLEY in that area.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.

That... is where Jesus is descending from Heaven to, gathering His saints on the way, and they ALL go to that Mount of Olives area in Jerusalem, ON EARTH.

This... is what is written about 'where' Jesus returns, not some milly-mouthed hireling that preaches his own word and the devil's false agenda of Pre-trib Rapture theory instead of God's Word, simply because God did not call that hireling.


6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

There's Jesus' reference in The New Testament that no one but The Father knows the day of His coming.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

That is about the River of the waters of life that will issue out of the Millennial sanctuary there in Jerusalem in that future time after His return. God gave Ezekiel to cover that in the Ezekiel 40 through 47 chapters.


9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.
KJV

In that day, no more false gods, no more false religions, nor idol worship, ONLY One LORD reigning as KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS, as written in Revelation.

Zechariah 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Timtofly]

What to believe?

1. Scripture and history
2. Futurized Fantasy, Fallacy, and Fable

Grade "F" for Fooled

God's Word, so you already messed up your first choice, by adding human imagination to the option.

There is no historical record of Jesus reigning on a throne for 3.5 years in the first century. Your lack of historical record, has failed you.

Your interpretation of Daniel 9 has failed you. Your imagination and human understanding is there at 100% capacity. So that means your choice is the number 2 option.

 

[Taken]

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Sad you are so uninformed and pitiful you think yourself qualified to teach and you show your teaching to be against the Word of God.

Scripture itself teaches:
What A mortal man is;
That All earthly men are mortal, thus duh...must die;
That A mortal man through Christ can put on immortality;
That Jesus has a kingdom.
That Jesus’ kingdom is not of this world.
What is in Heaven shall be on earth.
God established an everlasting Throne on Earth.
Jesus fulfilled the requirement to sit on the Throne.
Jesus fulfilled the requirement to inherit the Land Promised Abraham.
Christ shall come to earth with His Saints and Sit in His Throne IN His Kingdom.

A diligent and ardent student of scripture does not wonder what is meant by an Earthly Kingdom, an Earthly Throne, and (the redundant) physical mortal humans.

It’s like tying to argue (without common knowledge of what is natural and what is supernatural ) that flipping an electrical switch to a light switch does not cause light, because only God is Light.

Nothing wrong with being a life long student, rather than pretending to be a teacher, and proving you are not qualified for that position.

 

[Taken]

WELL? Accommodating your hissy fit...carry on.

Post ONE scripture that says those words!

@Truth7t7 ... accommodating you...WHY are you not posting those words IN Scripture?

 

[Truth7t7]

Post #2469 has your words within "Truth7t7 Said"

Please remove your words from within my posted words, thanks

Quote Taken #2469 Below

"Sad you are so uninformed and pitiful you think yourself qualified to teach and you show your teaching to be against the Word of God.

Scripture itself teaches:
What A mortal man is;
That All earthly men are mortal, thus duh...must die;
That A mortal man through Christ can put on immortality;
That Jesus has a kingdom.
That Jesus’ kingdom is not of this world.
What is in Heaven shall be on earth.
God established an everlasting Throne on Earth.
Jesus fulfilled the requirement to sit on the Throne.
Jesus fulfilled the requirement to inherit the Land Promised Abraham.
Christ shall come to earth with His Saints and Sit in His Throne IN His Kingdom.

A diligent and ardent student of scripture does not wonder what is meant by an Earthly Kingdom, an Earthly Throne, and (the redundant) physical mortal humans.

It’s like tying to argue (without common knowledge of what is natural and what is supernatural ) that flipping an electrical switch to a light switch does not cause light, because only God is Light.

Nothing wrong with being a life long student, rather than pretending to be a teacher, and proving you are not qualified for that position."

 

[covenantee]

God's Word, so you already messed up your first choice, by adding human imagination to the option.

There is no historical record of Jesus reigning on a throne for 3.5 years in the first century. Your lack of historical record, has failed you.

Your interpretation of Daniel 9 has failed you. Your imagination and human understanding is there at 100% capacity. So that means your choice is the number 2 option.

There is no human imagination like the human imagination of dispensational futurism. It is the epitome of human imagination run amok.

As your godfather John Nelson Darby declared,
"I do not admit history to be, in any sense, necessary to the understanding of prophecy."

Dispensational futurism.

Interpretation by imagination.

Interpretation by hallucination.

Thanks for the guffaw.

 

[Timtofly]

I'm Amil and believe in and follow the Sabbath, your words are "False"!

Which Sabbath is that? Do you Remember all the details of the first Day of Adonai in Genesis 2? Do you accept a Coming Day of the Lord, the final Day of creation?

Do you even accept the 6 Days of labor placed on mankind from Adam and Eve's offspring, Seth?

Or do you define the Sabbath as "just Saturday". There were other Sabbath days in the Hebrew calendar that never fell on Saturday. So, Sabbath does not equal Saturday. Sabbath just means a day of rest. Normally the last day of the week.

If you hold to 6,000 years since Adam's disobedience, what is the 7th Millennium to you? The Last One? The one where rest will be required of all humans? Will men be punished again, and the cycle repeat itself?

You claim you believe in and follow the Sabbath, but is that "Saturday" or the Day of the Lord, as in a literal 1,000 years?

 

[Taken]

That is an interesting line of reasoning. I want to consider that.

Much love!

Consider, during Christ’s millennial reign that he IS reigning over all the world. His Kingdom of Saints, and other kingdoms of mortals.

There is no Renewing Of a new Heavens, new Earth, new Jerusalem...
UNTIL all evil, wickedness, fallen angels, unsaved souls, non-quickened men .... connotation of fathers and mother and mortal...are removed from the Heavens and Earth;
And God is the God of he who dwells with Him.

Rev 21:

• [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

• [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

There is no human imagination like the human imagination of dispensational futurism. It is the epitome of human imagination run amok.

As your godfather John Nelson Darby declared,
"I do not admit history to be, in any sense, necessary to the understanding of prophecy."

Dispensational futurism.

Interpretation by imagination.

Interpretation by hallucination.

Thanks for the guffaw.

@Timtofly ... not once did I see you make any such claim that “John Nelson Darby” is your “godfather”.

Very suspect of @covenantee to think his teaching holds any merit when he uses False claims to buttress his teaching.

Gaslighting!

 

[amigo de christo]

There is no scripture that says Jesus opens any seals.
John’s recording is from what John Saw while he was “up hither”, and observed the Lamb opening all of the Seals.

Rev 4
1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Rev 7
[1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
[3] And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
[5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
[7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
[9] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
[12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev.8
[1] And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

The scripture makes is very plain that ONLY ONE is worthy to open the book and to loose , break the seals .
AND no man was found worthy in heaven or on earth . So john wept, WELL TILL HE HIMSELF was shown who was WORTHY .
ITS JESUS , HE TREADS The winepress of GOD . SOmething this all inclusive generation knows nothing about .
They keep expecting a JESUS to return and hand out coffee and hugs to this all inclusive lovey lovey genearation
which has abandoned HIM and all truth . NOPE . Many will wail on the day of the LORD .
SO our duty is , POINT THEM TO THE BIBLICAL JESUS , TO EVERY SINGEL REMINDER OF TRUTH .
AND DO SO QUICKLY CAUSE ONCE THE DOOR IS SHUT , ITS FOREVER AND I DO MEAN FOREVER TOO LATE .
WE ACCEPT AND LOVE JESUS NOW IN THIS LIFE OR PREPARE TO WAIL IN THE NEXT .

 

[Timtofly]

Every Seal opened, Every Trump sounded, Every Vial poured...
Reveals a specific Negative Judgement upon the Earth and it’s inhabitants.

You were asking about a day or day of the week. Did you know the Passover was an 8 day celebration? Did you know that it took 8 days to defeat Jericho by being obedient to God? Did you know that the week of the Cross, was 8 days in length? Why would the 7th Trumpet not cover a set of days, probably 8, like all the other important events in Biblical history?

If you claim the 7th Trumpet is an event, should we not consider it the most important one in all of Revelation? I mean the Second Coming at the 6th Seal is important to the church. But considering the historical significance of Israel and that Daniel 9 is about Israel, then the 7th Trumpet is thee most important Israel centered event to happen in the near future.

The event that will determine if Israel is put on hold again for 42 months, or not. The 42 months handed to Satan is the negative aspect of the 7th Trumpet. Gabriel, if it is Gabriel, will have to sound the Trumpet for 42 months and 8 days, instead of just 8 days. But God is longsuffering and will place that celebration mentioned in Revelation 11:15-17 on hold for 42 months, so no one is without excuse why they are removed from the Lamb's book of life.

BTW: The Lion of the tribe of Judah is not only pronounced King over the earth, but also the Lamb of God.

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

It is not called the Lion of Judah's book of life. Although Jesus is also 100% king of the earth. It is called the Lamb's book of life, because of the Atonement for all mankind. Jesus is also 100% Messiah.

 

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Consider, during Christ’s millennial reign that he IS reigning over all the world. His Kingdom of Saints, and other kingdoms of mortals.

There is no Renewing Of a new Heavens, new Earth, new Jerusalem...
UNTIL all evil, wickedness, fallen angels, unsaved souls, non-quickened men .... connotation of fathers and mother and mortal...are removed from the Heavens and Earth;
And God is the God of he who dwells with Him.

Rev 21:

• [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

• [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Glory to God,
Taken

What is your thought on this idea, that we remain in the heavenly new Jerusalem and only return to earth for the new creation?

Much love!

 

[Timtofly]

Knowledge is one thing.
What Scripture SAYS in context, keep it IN CONTEXT, by the WORDS SAID.

The LAMB in HEAVEN, OPENS ALL Seven Seals.

Remember John the Baptist’s manner of teaching?
John SAW Jesus.
John SAID, LOOK (behold), “the Lamb of God”.
John REVEALED, “the Lamb of God’s” AND the Lamb’s PURPOSE.

John 1:
[29] The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Numerous teachings about Gods anger, Gods tribulations, Gods wrath...
AND upon WHO, AND WHY.

Moving along to the Express end days of Gods anger, Gods tribulations, Gods wrath.....UPON WHOM.

Beginning with ... the Wrath of....? THE LAMB!
Hummm, WHY is the Lamb of God, IN Heaven, angry, going to send down from Heaven, tribulations and wrath UPON men, ON the earth?

REVIEW...John’s teaching.
BEHOLD, the Lamb of God, which take away the sin of the world.

Not news...NOT every man IN the world...did or does....LOOK, BEHOLD, BELIEVE, CONFESS BELIEF, IN the Lamb of God, NOR receive HIS “taking away” of their sin.

Not news...The Lamb of God, IS angry for BEING REJECTED by “men OF the World” and “Men OF the World”, WILL experience the result of the Lamb of God’s anger........Tribulations and Wrath.
Men OF the World, “experiencing the Tribulations and Wrath” OF the Lamb, Will THEN come to Realize...uh oh....
Heard-a, Could-a, Should-a, Paid attention to Johns teaching, and known-a, trusted-a, believed-a, confessed-a ... BUT DIDN”T.

Jesus is the Son of man...sent for stiffnecked, stubborn, mortal men TO SEE. BECAUSE, review 4,000 years of HISTORY...
MORTAL Men, whining, complaining, can’t SEE, wanna SEE, “HEARING”, not satisfactory, wanna SEE...”THEN” they can BELIEVE!

KEEP IN Context of what IS SAID. IT matters.
Just sayin...

At the 6th Seal the Lamb comes to earth. Revelation 6:12-17 implies what Jesus claims in Matthew 24:30.

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

The two passages compliment each other.

 

[Taken]

You were asking about a day or day of the week. Did you know the Passover was an 8 day celebration? Did you know that it took 8 days to defeat Jericho by being obedient to God? Did you know that the week of the Cross, was 8 days in length? Why would the 7th Trumpet not cover a set of days, probably 8, like all the other important events in Biblical history?

If you claim the 7th Trumpet is an event, should we not consider it the most important one in all of Revelation? I mean the Second Coming at the 6th Seal is important to the church. But considering the historical significance of Israel and that Daniel 9 is about Israel, then the 7th Trumpet is thee most important Israel centered event to happen in the near future.

The event that will determine if Israel is put on hold again for 42 months, or not. The 42 months handed to Satan is the negative aspect of the 7th Trumpet. Gabriel, if it is Gabriel, will have to sound the Trumpet for 42 months and 8 days, instead of just 8 days. But God is longsuffering and will place that celebration mentioned in Revelation 11:15-17 on hold for 42 months, so no one is without excuse why they are removed from the Lamb's book of life.

BTW: The Lion of the tribe of Judah is not only pronounced King over the earth, but also the Lamb of God.

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

It is not called the Lion of Judah's book of life. Although Jesus is also 100% king of the earth. It is called the Lamb's book of life, because of the Atonement for all mankind. Jesus is also 100% Messiah.

I know I am a Gentile.
I know God is omnipresent.
I know God distinguishes Himself, where He is, what He is doing, by Names, Titles, Descriptions.
I know God sent a perfect Example to EARTH, for earthly men to hear, learn, willingly believe, willingly lay down their life in Confessed heartful belief...or not.
I know there are consequences FOR willingly laying down ones life in Confessed heartful belief.......and consequences FOR willingly NOT laying down ones life in Confessed heartful belief.
Seems some people do not know these things.