The Pre-Trib Rapture

[The Light]

Yep

Uhhhh.....NOPE....(The End)

 

[The Light]

You have proven nobody wrong, your lack in scriptural argument says it all, crickets!

I'll try to put it in word that you understand. You're blind to the truth. (The End)

 

[Truth7t7]

Your claim a 1000

I'll try to put it in word that you understand. You're blind to the truth. (The End)

The same would be said about self proclaimed "Light"

You build your whole premise around a 6th seal, who cares, the 7th Trump and 7th vial represents (The End)

 

[The Light]

No, the bible says the wrath of God is at the 7th trump:

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Nothing you say matches what the bible says.

Exactly. Thy wrath is come.

Rev 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Seems you need to do a little more research.

 

[The Light]

The same would be said about self proclaimed "Light"

You build your whole premise around a 6th seal, who cares, the 7th Trump and 7th vial represents (The End)

Now that made me laugh......So called Truth.

I build everything around the word of God which you seem to like to ignore. I think the score is 86 to 1. And that was a fluke.

 

[Truth7t7]

Now that made me laugh......So called Truth.

I build everything around the word of God which you seem to like to ignore. I think the score is 86 to 1. And that was a fluke.

Your pre-wrath eschatology Is a fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, all mens works will be tried by the Lords fire "All Men"!

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

[Timtofly]

There is no scripture that says Jesus opens any seals.
John’s recording is from what John Saw while he was “up hither”, and observed the Lamb opening all of the Seals.

Rev 4
1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Rev 7
[1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
[3] And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
[5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
[7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
[9] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
[12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev.8
[1] And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

If the Lamb is not Jesus, then who is the Lamb?

 

[Timtofly]

Anyone who breaks the Sabbath and knows they ought to be keeping it doesn't have Jesus in their heart. The time will soon arrive when God's law will take center stage on the world theatre, and all will be laid bare then.

All amil and post mill break the Sabbath. They turn it into the last 2 Millennium.

 

[Timtofly]

Your claim a 1000 year kingdom on earth fails you, found no place in scripture, a fairy tale!

A Fairy Tale Eschatology!

Revelation 20 is your fairy tale then. Obviously 1,000 is not mentioned there in "your reading comprehension", as you have turned it into a fairy tale.

 

[ewq1938]

Exactly. Thy wrath is come.

Rev 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Seems you need to do a little more research.

Hardly. You didn't disprove what I said, nor proved what you said. You remain wrong. God's wrath begins at the 7th trump.

 

[Timtofly]

Hardly. You didn't disprove what I said, nor proved what you said. You remain wrong. God's wrath begins at the 7th trump.

Satan's 42 months starts in the midst of the days (one week) of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. If the Week is not split in half, then all that happens is all humanity left on earth will be killed in the symbolic winepress. Jesus will create a new heavens and earth, when the 7th Trumpet stops sounding.

Satan's 42 months is not God's wrath. God's wrath is a 3.5 day period, the last half of the week of the 7th Trumpet at the end of those 42 months. The same 3.5 days the 2 witnesses lay dead. They will rise on Sunday morning, and Armageddon will be that same Sunday afternoon between 5pm and 6pm. The one hour all humanity unites with Satan to face Jesus at Armageddon.

Either they are all killed at Armageddon or all killed in the winepress. The 7th Trumpet still stops when they are dead. Armageddon is after 42 months. Or they are all dead in one week at the end of the 7th Trumpet. Revelation 10:7

 

[covenantee]

Of course Jesus was cut off from being Prince and reigning in Jerusalem. Just because you refuse a future Millennium reign of Christ as King on earth, does not mean God refuses that reign on earth.

Jesus did not reign in Jerusalem for the second half a 7 year period, then started the 1,000 year Millennium.

Your historicism has failed you.

What to believe?

1. Scripture and history
2. Futurized Fantasy, Fallacy, and Fable

Grade "F" for Fooled

 

[Truth7t7]

All amil and post mill break the Sabbath. They turn it into the last 2 Millennium.

I'm Amil and believe in and follow the Sabbath, your words are "False"!

 

[Taken]

Your eschatology is a joke,

My post #2429 clearly quotes Scripture of the Lamb opening all seven seals.

scripture clearly states the lamb of God was the only one worthy to open the seven seals on the book.

Revelation 5:5KJV
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Thanks for quoting Scripture as evidence of your FALSE accusation, that clearly DOES NOT mention the lamb of God.

You have in one post, revealed you fail to know the difference between what is Clearly Stated and what is Understanding, and blame others for your failure.

Not a mystery of why it is so easy to disagree with you.

 

[Taken]

Do you mean the day the 7th Trumpet sounds? Or the day it stops sounding?

Every Seal opened, Every Trump sounded, Every Vial poured...
Reveals a specific Negative Judgement upon the Earth and it’s inhabitants.

 

[Taken]

Jesus will return as King. He will sit on a throne in a temple in Jerusalem.

Knowing is one thing.
Seeing is another thing.
Understanding is another thing.

The Son of Man came to earth...called JESUS.
The Son of God preached to men on earth...called the Word of God.
Some “men” heard, believed, KNEW HIM, some men DID NOT believe, DID NOT “know” Him.

The Son of Man, WHILE on Earth, Was REVEALED The Son of God.
~ ALL saw He LOOKED LIKE AN “EARTHLY” MAN...
~ Some believed He “was merely an earthly man.
~ Some knew He “IS God, in the LIKENESS “as” an earthly man.
~ Some understood, God is without a Beginning; has NO father, NO mother, NO “reproduction” Offspring.
~ THE DIVISION among earthly men, IS between what men SEE, BELIEVE, KNOW, UNDERSTAND.

The Son of Man, was ON Earth.
For 2,000 years, men ON Earth have continued their DIVISION...
~ Believing Testimonies of what “other men SAW”, Believing as men choose, Knowing what men choose, Understanding what men choose.

A “remnant” of mortal men on Earth shall repeat what was. Mortal men trekking out to uninhabited lands, laying claim, establishing a community, a city, a nation, borders dividing with other men doing the same. Each so established “nation”...having one “king” ruler...they live, they die, another “king” takes their place.
MEANTIME...
He called Faithful and True...
He “that no man knows”...(remnant of mortals)
He “whose name is called” The Word of God.
He “upon whose vesture is Written” “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS”
PONDER....
Known: His Unseen “glorified body” Saints are with Him in His Kingdom.
Known: His Kingdom boundary, Abrahams Promised Land.
Known: His Throne, king David’s everlasting Throne.
PONDER...
The “remnant” of mortals, establishing communities, cities, nations...
~ governing “kings”...AND HUH?? DISCOVERY OF...Other communities, cities, nations and “kings”?....AND HUH??
“A KINGDOM OF A KING “claiming” KINGSHIP over ALL kingdoms”??

THINK...
A KING over ALL kingdoms, might be shocking news?
ALL mortal kingdoms experiencing, “their kings mortally DYING”, being replaced....AND HUH?
The KING of kings...Remains the SAME, year after year, century after century....

THINK...
Some “mortal” nations kings, WILL take heed, to a KING who NEVER Dies, and “and” BE humbled to “lend his ear” to the WORD of a KING who NEVER Dies?
THINK...
Some “mortal” nations kings, WILL be content, in their own Riches, Wealth, Luxuries, Power, Control, Comfort and GIVE no consideration to this “supposed” KING claiming to be KING of kings?

PONDER...
Nothing new under the Sun. WHAT “was”, “is”, shall be “again”.
* Nations whose kings lead the people according to THE KING, are blessed nations, and not only the king prospers, but the PEOPLE prosper.
* Nations whose kings lead the people according to “the mortal kings”, prospering, comfort, is unto the mortal king and The PEOPLE neither prosper by the “mortal king” OR “THE KING”.

Rev 19:
IS the “shall be again” revealing, for 1,000 years.
(Blessed are they WITH the KING in His KINGDOM).
(Been there, already experienced the “mortal” part of Gods WILL)



Rev 19
[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

[Taken]

Your claim a 1000 year kingdom on earth fails you, found no place in scripture, a fairy tale!

A Fairy Tale Eschatology!

It is one thing for you to not know, to not understand.
* It is quite another thing for you to PREACH AGAINST Gods WORD.

Men are not claiming a 1,000 year kingdom on Earth.
Men ARE agreeing with the Word of God, regarding a 1,000 year kingdom on Earth.
You go beyond revealing you DO NOT know, believe, trust the WORD of God, TO Preaching AGAINST THE Word of God.

You should LEARN the consequences FOR WHAT YOU DO.

Luke 13:
[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
[27] But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

And those who agree with you should LEARN the consequences FOR WHAT THEY DO.

Rom 1:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Eph 4:
[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

@Truth7t7 ...
a 1000 year kingdom on earth ...a fairy tale!

You have been HEARD...LOUD and CLEAR.

They WHO LIVE and reign WITH Christ for 1,000 years are THEY WHO ARE witness OF and FOR the Word of God.
Clearly, you witness AGAINST the Word of God.

Rev 20
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Always an “US and THEM”... Not a mystery to know who is who.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[The Light]

Hardly. You didn't disprove what I said, nor proved what you said. You remain wrong. God's wrath begins at the 7th trump.

Ok, yeah.

So those 1st six angels blowing their trumpets, are just a walk in the park. Just kind of a nuisance. And when it says that when the seventh angel begins to sound, the mystery of God is FINISHED. That doesn't mean anything. Let's just pretend that isn't there. Then of course there is this....

Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Jesus has already returned. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ. Do you just pretend that isn't there. Just use some common sense and start reading what it says. Your position can be proven wrong and has been proven wrong you just ignore what the Word says and roll on like it's not there. Sheesh.

 

[Taken]

If the Lamb is not Jesus, then who is the Lamb?

Knowledge is one thing.
What Scripture SAYS in context, keep it IN CONTEXT, by the WORDS SAID.

The LAMB in HEAVEN, OPENS ALL Seven Seals.

Remember John the Baptist’s manner of teaching?
John SAW Jesus.
John SAID, LOOK (behold), “the Lamb of God”.
John REVEALED, “the Lamb of God’s” AND the Lamb’s PURPOSE.

John 1:
[29] The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Numerous teachings about Gods anger, Gods tribulations, Gods wrath...
AND upon WHO, AND WHY.

Moving along to the Express end days of Gods anger, Gods tribulations, Gods wrath.....UPON WHOM.

Beginning with ... the Wrath of....? THE LAMB!
Hummm, WHY is the Lamb of God, IN Heaven, angry, going to send down from Heaven, tribulations and wrath UPON men, ON the earth?

REVIEW...John’s teaching.
BEHOLD, the Lamb of God, which take away the sin of the world.

Not news...NOT every man IN the world...did or does....LOOK, BEHOLD, BELIEVE, CONFESS BELIEF, IN the Lamb of God, NOR receive HIS “taking away” of their sin.

Not news...The Lamb of God, IS angry for BEING REJECTED by “men OF the World” and “Men OF the World”, WILL experience the result of the Lamb of God’s anger........Tribulations and Wrath.
Men OF the World, “experiencing the Tribulations and Wrath” OF the Lamb, Will THEN come to Realize...uh oh....
Heard-a, Could-a, Should-a, Paid attention to Johns teaching, and known-a, trusted-a, believed-a, confessed-a ... BUT DIDN”T.

Jesus is the Son of man...sent for stiffnecked, stubborn, mortal men TO SEE. BECAUSE, review 4,000 years of HISTORY...
MORTAL Men, whining, complaining, can’t SEE, wanna SEE, “HEARING”, not satisfactory, wanna SEE...”THEN” they can BELIEVE!

KEEP IN Context of what IS SAID. IT matters.
Just sayin...

 

[Truth7t7]

My post #2429 clearly quotes Scripture of the Lamb opening all seven seals.



Thanks for quoting Scripture as evidence of your FALSE accusation, that clearly DOES NOT mention the lamb of God.

You have in one post, revealed you fail to know the difference between what is Clearly Stated and what is Understanding, and blame others for your failure.

Not a mystery of why it is so easy to disagree with you.

Quote: Taken post #2429 Below

"There is no scripture that says Jesus opens any seals."