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[BreadOfLife]

But then again, Peter was not the leader of the NT church, James was

WRONG.
James was the Bishop of the Church in Jerusalem.

If Peter wasn't in charge - answer me this:
a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him in charge.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not in charge??

His name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible.

I'll waith right here for your well-researched response . . .

 

[savedbygrace1]

WRONG.
James was the Bishop of the Church in Jerusalem.

If Peter wasn't in charge - answer me this:
a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him in charge.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not in charge??

His name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible.

I'll waith right here for your well-researched response . . .

If you claim James was NOT the leader of the church, I suggest you do some research on the subject

 

[BreadOfLife]

So popes can behave badly and be hypocritical?

Just like many bad Protedstant leaders - THEY have to answer to God for their behavior.
Just like Judas did.

The entire Church is NOT responsible for the sins of ANY individual.
I shouldnt have to explain this to you . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you claim James was NOT the leader of the church, I suggest you do some research on the subject

I have.

Just because he spoke at the Council of Jerusalem doesn't mean that he was the leader of the Church.
Petter spoke FIRST.

No - I gave you a LONG list of reaons why Peter is proven to be the leader.
You haven't presented a SINGLE thing to rebut this list.
I wonder WHY that is . . .

 

[Taken]

There are dissidents and false teachers within the Church. Jesus WARNED about this (Matt. 7:15-20). You should know this.

It’s your arrogance, Protestant bashing, then Uppity Catholic Church position is blah, blah...WHILE a great bulk of Catholics DO NOT adhere to the Church’s position. They are just as splintered as everyone else...
And who cares? It’s majority petty nonsense.

My stern objection to the Catholic Doctrine, hinges a FEW Major points, that no Catholic has paralleled their Belief being verifiable with Scripture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why would I refer to any catechism when I have access to a bible ? Your catechism was written by ambitious idolatrous men while the bible was inspired by God Himself through the Holy Spirit.

Because YOU'RE making claims about what the Catholic Church teaches.
If these things ARE taught - then they will be listed as teachings in the Catechism.

Sounds like I caught you in another LIE that you can't get out of . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

It’s your arrogance, Protestant bashing, then Uppity Catholic Church position is blah, blah...WHILE a great bulk of Catholics DO NOT adhere to the Church’s position. They are just as splintered as everyone else...
And who cares? It’s majority petty nonsense.

My stern objection to the Catholic Doctrine, hinges a FEW Major points, that no Catholic has paralleled their Belief being verifiable with Scripture.

Whenever a peiple like YOU come up against a Catholic who has done his homework - we are "rude" or arrogant" or "Protestant bashing".
You simply don't like an educated Catholic becausde I expose YOUR lies every time . . .

 

[Marine0311]

Because YOU'RE making claims about what the Catholic Church teaches.
If these things ARE taught - then they will be listed as teachings in the Catechism.

Sounds like I caught you in another LIE that you can't get out of . . .

 

[Marine0311]

You are living a man made lie called the RCC, but as is typical to protect the lies you’re living you accuse others of what you yourself do.Christians do not follow your catechism because it contains to many lies.

 

[savedbygrace1]

I have.

Just because he spoke at the Council of Jerusalem doesn't mean that he was the leader of the Church.
Petter spoke FIRST.

No - I gave you a LONG list of reaons why Peter is proven to be the leader.
You haven't presented a SINGLE thing to rebut this list.
I wonder WHY that is . . .

Oh my mother had a book on the subject, cant remember the name of it. On another website I pointed out to a couple of catholics James, not peter was the head of the church, neither of them disagreed but rather agreed. More divisions in catholicism

 

[savedbygrace1]

Then why is there so much idolatry and Mary worship in the RCC ? Obviously your pope isn’t getting those things from God.

Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Maybe they should venerate John the Baptist more highly

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are living a man made lie called the RCC, but as is typical to protect the lies you’re living you accuse others of what you yourself do.Christians do not follow your catechism because it contains to many lies.

And like every other ignorant anti-Catholic - you vomit out the same lies as all the others - even though you've been shown the error of your "RCC" fallacy.

Let me know when you're ready have an intellectual conversation and are ready to actually address the many point I have made that you have, this far been too scared to visit.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh my mother had a book on the subject, cant remember the name of it. On another website I pointed out to a couple of catholics James, not peter was the head of the church, neither of them disagreed but rather agreed. More divisions in catholicism

Ignorance isn't a "division" - rebellion is.

Your Protestant Father rebelled against Christ's Church. It wasn't a matter of mere ignorance - but arrogance.
Most of you born into Protestantism are victims of ignorance. However, when you are shown the truth and rehect it - then you are responsible for what you do.

John 9:39-41
Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.” Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?” Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh my mother had a book on the subject, cant remember the name of it. On another website I pointed out to a couple of catholics James, not peter was the head of the church, neither of them disagreed but rather agreed. More divisions in catholicism

And I'm STILL waiting for a reasoned response to my post #161 . . .

 

[Taken]

Whenever a peiple like YOU come up against a Catholic who has done his homework - we are "rude" or arrogant" or "Protestant bashing".
You simply don't like an educated Catholic becausde I expose YOUR lies every time . . .

LOL...lying telling me what I do not like, while claiming I’m the one that lies.
I don’t trust Catholics per’se being viewed or promoted as the Face of Christianity. I think it is a disservice to God, to Christ Jesus and particularly mocks and smears Mary’s memory.
It’s is not the bulk of Catholics I have issues with, it’s pretty much personally you, I do not like.
I imagine you with a crystal ball (psychic lol) and dislocated shoulder (the consequence of continual self-back-patting).

 

[Taken]

...we are "rude" or arrogant" or "Protestant bashing".

Uh huh.

 

[savedbygrace1]

LOL...lying telling me what I do not like, while claiming I’m the one that lies.
I don’t trust Catholics per’se being viewed or promoted as the Face of Christianity. I think it is a disservice to God, to Christ Jesus and particularly mocks and smears Mary’s memory.
It’s is not the bulk of Catholics I have issues with, it’s pretty much personally you, I do not like.
I imagine you with a crystal ball (psychic lol) and dislocated shoulder (the consequence of continual self-back-patting).

Reading his comments, and the tone of them, I don't think his church is doing him much good

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...lying telling me what I do not like, while claiming I’m the one that lies.
I don’t trust Catholics per’se being viewed or promoted as the Face of Christianity. I think it is a disservice to God, to Christ Jesus and particularly mocks and smears Mary’s memory.
It’s is not the bulk of Catholics I have issues with, it’s pretty much personally you, I do not like.
I imagine you with a crystal ball (psychic lol) and dislocated shoulder (the consequence of continual self-back-patting).

NOBODY like being caught or publicly exposed for their falsehoods.
You're NO different than anybody else who has ever been publicly humiliated . . .

 

[Marine0311]

And like every other ignorant anti-Catholic - you vomit out the same lies as all the others - even though you've been shown the error of your "RCC" fallacy.

Let me know when you're ready have an intellectual conversation and are ready to actually address the many point I have made that you have, this far been too scared to visit.

 

[Marine0311]

In your delusion and indifference you equate following a pope, worshipping Mary, and replacing the leadership of God with sinful men the same as following God. Your loss not mine.