The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[Zao is life]

Only your commentary about it.

That's all.

Nice side-step of the question.

What is it about what the text in Revelation 20 associates with the word resurrection that you are unable to follow?

 

[GEN2REV]

God is eternally becoming. It's part of His eternal self-existence. Read the Dictionary definition of His name.

@GEN2REV PS: If you'd give the things you say a little more thought then you would not be making yourself guilty of accusations like the accuser.

The Dictionary is an extra-biblical source.

Nowhere in Scripture are we told, or even given the impression, that God is "eternally becoming."

On the contrary, the Bible makes clear that God is the First and the Last. He has always been and always will be. We can't understand that in our limited human understanding from within time, space and matter - and the New Age concepts that you are peddling do not accurately portray Him from a Biblical perspective.

You should stick to Scripture alone and you won't make yourself look so foolish in your understanding of it.

 

[Zao is life]

Oh yes, that avatar is the best way to show whereabouts the fullness of the Gentiles comes from. All nations.

Your credibility as a sincere Christian is damaged.

I already had you pegged for one of these New Agers claiming to be Christian - with your 'We are the World' - World Government, World Religion, Universalist Avatar.

God is not eternally becoming. He is not evolving.

That implies that He is not yet complete.

He is now what He has always been, and what He will always be. He exists outside of time.

Time cannot exist without space and matter. They are 3 dimensions that are 100% dependent on each other to exist.

Your credibility as a sincere Christian is badly damaged.

 

[GEN2REV]

You do not know the motives, thoughts, beliefs and desires of the hearts of humans so that you can place yourself in His judgment seat the way you do. If you had the mind of Christ you would not be accusing.

Don't need to. Only have to judge according to Scripture.

 

[GEN2REV]

Nice side-step of the question.

What is it about what the text in Revelation 20 associates with the word resurrection that you are unable to follow?

You're stalling because you have no better response.

 

[GEN2REV]

Oh yes, that avatar is the best way to show whereabouts the fullness of the Gentiles comes from. All nations.

Your credibility as a sincere Christian is damaged.

Fullness of the Gentiles does not support your Universalist stance.

Christ is not a Universalist.

 

[Zao is life]

The Dictionary is an extra-biblical source.

Nowhere in Scripture are we told, or even given the impression, that God is "eternally becoming."

On the contrary, the Bible makes clear that God is the First and the Last. He has always been and always will be. We can't understand that in our limited human understanding from within time, space and matter - and the New Age concepts that you are peddling do not accurately portray Him from a Biblical perspective.

You should stick to Scripture alone and you won't make yourself look so foolish in your understanding of it.

I'd hardly call Strongs a new age peddling source.

You make out like you understand the nature of God. That's new-age. Pride. Believing you can understand God.

And all because I said that IMO Time only exists because God exists, and Time (like the creation) will always exist, has always existed and exists this moment because God exists.

That opened your treasure-chest of accusations that you don't get from Christ. Where do you get them from?

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 20:4 is God's choice. Who are we to argue it?

Note that those Trib martyrs do not at that time receive immortality. They can die again, but as their names are in the Book of Life; immortality will be theirs at the final Judgment. Rev 20:11-15

You are right we have no right to argue against God but my point is that the bible shows us that God doesn’t do things out of character. Thus there must be a different interpretation.

For example if this verse is literal then what if a saint was killed by the beast in a different way wouldn’t they also rise and reign with Christ?

Where do you see that they can die again.

 

[GEN2REV]

I'd hardly call Strongs a new age peddling source.

You make out like you understand the nature of God. That's new-age. Pride. Believing you can understand God.

And all because I said that IMO Time only exists because God exists, and Time (like the creation) will always exist, has always existed and exists this moment because God exists.

That opened your treasure-chest of accusations that you don't get from Christ. Where do you get them from?

Strong's Concordance is not the Dictionary. You're changing your testimony again.

You claimed God is "eternally becoming" ... twice.

No need to accuse when it's right there in your posts.

 

[Zao is life]

Fullness of the Gentiles does not support your Universalist stance.

Christ is not a Universalist.

Your re-defining of the word universalist as meaning Catholic = new age speaks volumes. Catholic = universal. That;s where the word comes from. That's where the Gentiles come from. They're not Jews, otherwise they will not be called Gentiles. And there are Gentiles of all nations in Christ through faith in Christ.

Your accusations are not coming from Jesus. Where are you getting them from?

 

[Zao is life]

Strong's Concordance is not the Dictionary. You're changing your testimony again.

You claimed God is "eternally becoming" ... twice.

No need to accuse when it's right there in your posts.

Your accusations are not coming from Jesus. Where are you getting them from?

 

[GEN2REV]

Your accusations are not coming from Jesus. Where are you getting them from?

Pre-Mil ignores all Scripture except Rev. 20.

That is the epitome of a lack of sound doctrine.

 

[GEN2REV]

Your re-defining of the word universalist as meaning Catholic = new age speaks volumes. Catholic = universal. That;s where the word comes from. That's where the Gentiles come from. They're not Jews, otherwise they will not be called Gentiles. And there are Gentiles of all nations in Christ through faith in Christ.

Your accusations are not coming from Jesus. Where are you getting them from?

You ignore all the major end time passages in favor of a man-made doctrine of 1,000 years upon an earth that is destroyed in 2 Peter 3:10 and a time that comes to an undeniable end in 1 Corinthians 15:24.

You are not credible.

 

[Zao is life]

Pre-Mil ignores all Scripture except Rev. 20.

That is the epitome of a lack of sound doctrine.

On the contrary, Pre-mil does not ignore the rest of the New Testament. That's how Premillenniists get to Pre-millennialism.

Here are some of the things Amillennialists ignore:

In Genesis chapter 3, we read of how Satan appeared in the Garden of Eden to beguile mankind, and this took place even during the sabbath rest of God (which is in Christ, the Creator), and it took place while Adam and Eve were living forever after God had breathed life into Adam, and Adam had become a living soul.

Revelation 12:9 calls Satan "the great dragon" and "the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world."

Satan's deception of the nations is also mentioned in Revelation chapter 20:

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
3 And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time.

In scripture Satan is called the god of this aion (Age) and prince of the power of the air who works in the sons of disobedience, who will give the beast and false prophet his seat, power and great authority. The saints are warned they should be weary of his wiles and are told to resist him, and to put on the full armour of God because we do not wrestle against flesh and blood (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Ephesians 2:2; 1 Peter 5:8-9; Ephesians 6:11-12; Revelation 2:9-10 & Revelation 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; James 4:7).

Amillennialists ignore all the above facts and scriptures, which hardly speak of a devil whose already bound.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 and Ephesians 2:2 tell us about Satan's influence over the societies of this world, during this Age.

1 Peter 5:8-9; Ephesians 6:11-12; Revelation 2:9-10 & Revelation 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; James 4:7. tell us about Satan's activities in the world during this Age.

In Revelation chapters 12 through 13 we read about:

1. The dragon being cast out and cast down to earth when the woman's child had been caught up to God and His throne; and
2. The dragon going to war against the woman who had given birth to the Messiah the moment he saw he had been cast down to earth; and
3. When "the earth helped the woman", the dragon then going to war with "the rest of the woman's seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (for the rest of the Age), culminating in the beast and false prophet's war against the saints at the close of the Age (which is seen in Revelation 13:7 & Revelation 13:15).

There's no mention of Satan's binding there either, but Amillenniialists will invent one. I mean, "it's necessary to invent a reference to Satan's binding, so Revelation 12 is as good a place as any" (per Amillennialists).

 

[Zao is life]

You ignore all the major end time passages in favor of a man-made doctrine of 1,000 years upon an earth that is destroyed in 2 Peter 3:10 and a time that comes to an undeniable end in 1 Corinthians 15:24.

You are not credible.

2 Peter 3:10 uses the same word for elements that is used in Galatians 4:9. You also ignore what the word eîta translated as "then" in 1 Corinthians 15:24 means when it is used elsewhere, such as in Mark 4:28, where it clearly does not mean following immediately after.

But you must ensure scripture aligns with Amillennial doctrine.

.. and then you throw accusations against the brethren left, right and center that you do not get from Jesus.

Where do you get your treasure-chest of accusations from?

 

[Marty fox]

It's not only them that resurrect, all the dead in Christ rise at the same time. Revelation 20 just focuses upon that one group kinda like it does in the 5th seal when a certain group of the dead are wanting justice and are told to wait awhile.

I agree with you but that’s my point that sometimes there is more behind the verse is isn’t strictly literal.

 

[Zao is life]

You're stalling because you have no better response.

How can I stall on answering my question to you that you can't answer?

 

[Timtofly]

In the 5th seal many would like to think that it is speaking of NT saints, but it definitely is not. It is speaking of ALL the OT. Saints who had died in faith, looking for the "promise" of the Messiah to come in His 1st appearance. Their names were written in the "book of Remembrance" Malachi 3:16.
In their death, they died without the Gift of the Holy Spirit (Eternal Life), and were still in waiting for that promise.
However, the "promise" could not come until the shedding of the Blood of Christ, for the remission of sin, and after His Ascension.
Therefore, in the Day of Pentecost, all the OT saints, who died in faith, did then also receive God's Holy Spirit, as symbolized by each one being given "a white robe", which is the Righteousness of God Himself.

And all Amil are wrong. Premil do not view those in the 5th Seal as only NT saints. You just claimed they were only the OT saints, so you pointed out your own error.

Those redeemed souls in the 5th Seal are the whole body of Christ from Abel until the Second Coming. All 6,000 years of humanity in sin and death, redeemed by the blood of Christ.

Now who has to take a literal reading to point out tribulation martyred? The 5th Seal is the symbolism meaning the entire body of Christ, ie the church. Under the alter is not literal. It is being redeemed. Souls are not literal. They all have permanent incorruptible physical bodies. Martyred is not literal martyrdom. It is the crucifying one's flesh on a daily basis.

The 5th Seal is not even about death. The whole point of the 5th Seal is putting on the robe of white. That is literally being glorified. That is the whole church putting on immortality, the robe of white, at the Second Coming. The 5th and 6th Seal is literally the one and only Second Coming, and a lot of bad stuff happens after the Second Coming for months and perhaps years.

Both Amil and pre-mill take a literal stance on the 5th and 6th Seal and totally miss what the symbolism is all about. This is Paul's rapture Second Coming event from the perspective of Paradise instead of looking up from earth. John and Jesus are on their way down to the Mount of Olives to start the final harvest. Paul's view is us alive and remain looking up at the Second Coming from earth.

You all avoid the symbolism and fail to see the truth, because you all stick to wooden literal thoughts accusing each other of doing the same thing.

Those in Revelation 20:4 are not the church. They are not martyrs. They are the last generation who somehow missed accepting Christ as a redeemed saint, whose only chance at keeping their names in the Lamb's book of life is to literally cut their literal physical heads off.

That verse is not symbolic. If Satan literally rules on the throne from the temple in Jerusalem for 42 months after the Second Coming, humans will literally have to cut off their heads to accept the Atonement. Otherwise there is no need for those 42 months. All of humanity will be condemned at the 7th Trumpet, and will literally die. None of Adam's flesh and blood enter the Millennium. The Millennium is not in the here and now, because we all are still Adam's flesh and blood. Until the soul leaves this body, and this body returns to dust, Adam's flesh and blood is still corrupting God's creation.

Yes this corruptible body is quickened by the Holy Spirit as long as the flesh is not in charge. We are reigning, as long as we submit. But it is a daily battle, and the flesh is not defeated, until it is literally dead. Crucifying the flesh daily is keeping it in it's dead state. So this is not living, as life only begins when the soul gets to Paradise. And you all think it has to keep living in limbo under an alter as literal souls, cause you reject there is currently those in permanent incorruptible physical bodies enjoying Paradise.

Twould be funny if God actually made you all live out your beliefs after this physical existence instead of His perfect plan.

 

[Timtofly]

Your verse doesn't speak a single word about the Great Tribulation.

More Pre-Mil manipulation of Revelation 20 to suit your cause. That is very rude of you and disrespectful to those you are hoping to teach here.

You continue to speak of Revelation as if it were chronological and literal, then claim that you do not when called out about it. That is dishonest and plain ugly toward those who intend to learn.

An admonishment is in order for your conduct within this thread. You need to act with some dignity and respect for those who are following along and stop purposely misleading young Christians.

Shame on you.

Now you want to have meaningful grown up conversation after your many post of frivolous childish accusations?

Your credibility as a sincere Christian is badly damaged.

Well that did not last very long, and we are back to frivolous childish accusations.

 

[Timtofly]

So you have scissored 2 Peter 3:10 completely out of your Bible then?

This resurrection is at the least 42 months after your works are judged and burned up.

So no, you are still going to be judged and your works still burned up. Kind of a nice verse to have around to throw insults at each other, no?