Once Saved, Always Saved?

[kcnalp]

Nope. Didn't miss it at all. The principle is true, and the warning stands. But by the power of God via His Spirit Who is with us and Whom we walk in, we will continue in His goodness. You might note what Paul says to the Philippians:

"...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12-13)

Grace and peace to you.

OSAS is false!

 

[kcnalp]

Do you realize...you “Enduring” IS “your” effort to keep believing by your OWN Power, to not be influenced by evil and Wickedness in this world?
If you understood Scripture...men can “endure” to “their end of physical life”...and IF they Do God Will Save them at their physical death. That is a Believing man...Not a Saved man. He CAN fall away!
There are numerous warnings about Cunning evil spirits and wicked men who can trick men away from God.
A man Converted IN Christ does NOT rely on his own Power...Hello the Power of God IS IN that man. Gods Power Keeps That man Forever with God. <—- That is The whole Big Picture Of the New Covenant...
Assured Salvation.....NOW...before physical death!
You reading scriptures of men “Falling Away”, does not Apply to Saved men, who have the Power of God IN them.

Speaking of "evil spirits":

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

OSAS: "doctrines of demons"!

 

[kcnalp]

A phony claim, you are claiming for for OSAS believers.
Why make up a claim for others?
Address one who makes that claim for themself!

Well gee, who do you think I've been addressing?

 

[ScottA]

Oh, if certain only knew that whatever it is they believe is true--they would change!

Likewise, for those who believe the earth is millions of years old--it is! Not because there is a bit of truth in it--but because, what does it matter to Him who is "the same yesterday, today, and forever." Ha! But time is only created, and so is it also manifest for each by his own measure--is that not what the scriptures say? Indeed they do: "For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”

Thus, for you who believe your salvation is a lifelong process--it is! But for those who believe that "today is the day of salvation" as it is written--it is!

So, yes indeed, you do "workout your own salvation." Good for you--you get exactly what you believe!

 

[Taken]

If we can NEVER be lost after salvation then why did God give MANY warnings to Christians?

Those warnings are for Believers.
Do you understand the Difference between Believers And The Converted?

Believers Can fall away.
The Converted Can Never Fall Away!

 

[kcnalp]

Those warnings are for Believers.
Do you understand the Difference between Believers And The Converted?

Believers Can fall away.
The Converted Can Never Fall Away!

You're playing OSAS word games. You have ZERO Scripture to back OSAS!

2 Peter 1:10-11 (NKJV)
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[ScottA]

If we can NEVER be lost after salvation then why did God give MANY warnings to Christians?

You are not being sensible. If salvation were not forever, He would have called it something else.

The warnings are not for the saved already, but for those who have not yet come fully to the throne of God. Some are skeptical, reserved, and not fully committed to the idea, that "now is the day of salvation."

 

[kcnalp]

You are not being sensible. If it were not forever, He would have called it something else.

The warnings are not for the saved already, but for those who have not yet come fully to the throne of God. Some are skeptical, reserved, and not fully committed to the idea, that "now is the day of salvation."

Great! I can NEVER be unsaved. Wish I could say the same for OSASers.

 

[ScottA]

Great! I can NEVER be unsaved. Wish I could say the same for OSASers.

Since this is news to you--it is false. That is not salvation.

 

[kcnalp]

Since this is news to you--it is false. That is not salvation.

Another OSASer judging me as unsaved? That's about all OSASers do. Judge non OSASers as unsaved!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Have you interviewed and tested each individual of their knowledge of the Old Testament?

Yes, I have.
Me and Cameron were bored one day, and Cameron's dad was home so we couldn't use his dad's Ferrari, so we interviewed the entire church's knowledge of the OT instead.

 

[Taken]

If we can NEVER be lost after salvation then why did God give MANY warnings to Christians?

Those warning are for Believers.
Do you understand the Difference between Believers And The Converted?

Believers Can fall away.
The Converted Can Never Fall Away!

 

[Taken]

Speaking of "evil spirits":

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

OSAS: "doctrines of demons"!

Not a newsflash. Believers routinely depart from Faith. What’s your point?

 

[Taken]

Well gee, who do you think I've been addressing?

You have been addressing me and others...which one has said “once saved” is a license to sin? not us! That is simply you ATTEMPTING to speak for us!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Much of the importance of the Old is reiterated in the new and referrenced as well.

Yes, it is. That's what I showed about 1 Corinthians 3:8-15.
The analogy of the wicked being burned up like hay and stubble comes from the OT:

"14Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame." Isaiah 47:14

"24Therefore, as a tongue of fire consumes the straw, and as dry grass shrivels in the flame, so their roots will decay and their blossoms will blow away like dust; for they have rejected the instruction of the LORD of Hosts and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel." Isaiah 5:24

"11You conceive chaff; you give birth to stubble. Your breath is a fire that will consume you.12The peoples will be burned to ashes, like thorns cut down and set ablaze." Isaiah 33:11-12
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And so it is that the people the worker ministers to in the field and building of God will be revealed by fire for what they really are:

"12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work." 1 Corinthians 3:12-13
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Some will be revealed to be fakes, burned up like wood, hay and stubble in the judgment, while others will withstand the fire of the coming judgement showing that work of the worker in the field and building of God to be genuine and able to withstand the judgment.

 

[Taken]

You're playing OSAS word games. You have ZERO Scripture to back OSAS!

What is and is not said Matters!

2 Peter 1:10-11 (NKJV)

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Yep...Man Making a sure Heartful election IS followed by Gods Response Of Permanent Conversion!

You imply Believing Without Making a sure Heartful Election is a man receiving Conversion... error! Words matter. Man must freely heartfully confess Belief!

 

[Taken]

Great! I can NEVER be unsaved. Wish I could say the same for OSASers.

You have never claimed to have become Saved...sounds more like you believe and Hope you can endure believing to your physical death.

 

[kcnalp]

What is and is not said Matters!




Yep...Man Making a sure Heartful election IS followed by Gods Response Of Permanent Conversion!

You imply Believing Without Making a sure Heartful Election is a man receiving Conversion... error! Words matter. Man must freely heartfully confess Belief!

That's a lie!

 

[kcnalp]

You have never claimed to have become Saved...sounds more like you believe and Hope you can endure believing to your physical death.

Another lie!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

We plant seeds that lie dormant. The seeds planted in my Mom's rebellious heart took thirty years to germinate. We just don't when they will come. We don't know what God is doing in their lives nor how much more that needs to be done to prepare their hearts. Some come to God in their death bed - like my Mom did.

And that is wonderful. But what about those in whom the word does not dwell and are nothing more than fake, hypocritical, false believers who die that way? The worker who ministered to them has no reward for their labor of building them into the building of God. They will be found to be hay, wood, and stubble at the Judgment and will be burned up and purged from the building of God. They weren't really a part of it to begin with because they focused on the false security of the new version of OSAS (as opposed to Calvin's version) instead of making sure they were really saved in the first place.

Bruno baby, the point of all of this is the new version of OSAS erroneously says 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 means a 'believer' can decide to live in unrepentant sin and have no righteous works and he will still be saved when Jesus comes back. He will just lose rewards, not salvation. But that ignores the scripture that tells us that the person who lives like that is not even born again to begin with (1 John 3:9) As I've shown, 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 isn't even about one's personal life of holiness to begin with! It's about the work done by the minister in the field and building of God and whether or not it will result in a reward for him when Jesus comes back.

See, we shouldn't be arguing about whether OSAS is true or not. What we need to do is what the Bibles says to do...make sure we're really saved. Telling people that how they live their lives has no bearing on whether they have the Spirit of God in them in salvation, because once you are saved you are always saved no matter what, causes them to not obey the Biblical exhortation to test themselves to see if they are really in the faith and prepared to meet Jesus in judgement. The minister who shares that false teaching, causing people in the church to think they are saved who really aren't saved at all, will have no reward for his work in building the building of God. They will have built hay, wood, and stubble into the building of God - things that can't go through the fire - and the result of their labor in the field and building of God will get burned up in the judgment, because those people aren't real believers. They just thought they were...because they were told they were...despite the fact that they did not have the life to match their profession of faith that Jesus is Lord.