Bible alone!

[David in NJ]

Um, not quite. A woman loses her virginity when she has intercourse for the first time, not when she gives birth.

I agree with your first statement: RCC are carnal false teachers, therefore they appeal to the carnal mind = thus for Mary to have perpetual virginity is a false 'holiness' that appeals to paganistic teachings.

Um YES, 100% her physical virginity burst open = she no longer had her hymen.

"The hymen is a thin layer of tissue appearing in the vagina of many female mammals, including humans. In women, this tissue is usually present in childhood and early adolescence, but can be torn away by various activities, including sexual intercourse. For this reason, many cultures associate this vaginal barrier with virginity, sexual activity, and the passage to womanhood. Like many aspects of female sexuality, however, this tissue has often been poorly understood throughout history."

 

[David in NJ]

I agree with everything you wrote except for the last sentence. Mary is dead; her corpse might be a woman depending on your definition.

God made us either Male or Female in our physical bodies only. Once this body dies and goes to the grave we are no longer separated by male/female sex organ distinction.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Jim B]

Um YES, 100% her physical virginity burst open = she no longer had her hymen.

"The hymen is a thin layer of tissue appearing in the vagina of many female mammals, including humans. In women, this tissue is usually present in childhood and early adolescence, but can be torn away by various activities, including sexual intercourse. For this reason, many cultures associate this vaginal barrier with virginity, sexual activity, and the passage to womanhood. Like many aspects of female sexuality, however, this tissue has often been poorly understood throughout history."

I won't continue to debate this marginal topic except to post this definition from bing.com...

Virginity is the state of a person who has never engaged in sexual intercourse. The term virgin originally only referred to sexually inexperienced women, but has evolved to encompass a range of definitions, as found in traditional, modern and ethical concepts. Heterosexual individuals may or may not consider loss of virginity to occur only through penile-vaginal penetration, while people of other sexual orientations often include oral sex, anal sex, or mutual masturbation in their definitions of losing one's virginity.

 

[theefaith]

CORRECT: ONLY Jesus the Christ is our salvation = Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Your worship of Mary are not biblical principles but are idolatry and a perversion of the Way, the Truth and the LIFE.

worship requires intent

 

[Jim B]

God made us either Male or Female in our physical bodies only. Once this body dies and goes to the grave we are no longer separated by male/female sex organ distinction.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It is poor exegesis to take Paul's letter to the (living) Galatians and apply it to dead people. There is no distinction between the people mentioned regarding their status in Christ Jesus. Of course the people retained their religious and sexual identity as well as their social position. For example, no slave claimed his freedom to his master based on this verse.

Are you claiming that female believers became sons of God, thereby changing their gender?

Are you okay??

P.S. What are those numbers? They're not part of Scripture, but a latter classification for reference.

 

[David in NJ]

It is poor exegesis to take Paul's letter to the (living) Galatians and apply it to dead people. There is no distinction between the people mentioned regarding their status in Christ Jesus. Of course the people retained their religious and sexual identity as well as their social position. For example, no slave claimed his freedom to his master based on this verse.

Are you claiming that female believers became sons of God, thereby changing their gender?

Are you okay??

P.S. What are those numbers? They're not part of Scripture, but a latter classification for reference.

You need to study scripture and embrace "proper exegesis" on this subject = ALL Scripture that pertains to it.

LOL = do not suggest that i suggested something that is not true

Make sure you understand what happens when our physical bodies go to the grave and what we become in the Resurrection.
The LORD addressed this in His Gospel to the religious crowd/leaders.

 

[Jim B]

You need to study scripture and embrace "proper exegesis" on this subject = ALL Scripture that pertains to it.

LOL = do not suggest that i suggested something that is not true

Make sure you understand what happens when our physical bodies go to the grave and what we become in the Resurrection.
The LORD addressed this in His Gospel to the religious crowd/leaders.

You need to study scripture and embrace "proper exegesis".

I'm really not interested in your opinion of what Scripture clearly says.

 

[David in NJ]

You need to study scripture and embrace "proper exegesis".

I'm really not interested in your opinion of what Scripture clearly says.

You'll will err concerning the truth on this subject since you have already rejected what Scripture clearly teaches.

Example: “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

My thoughts agree with the fact that that Scripture is Truth, which upon study has been verified. = Luke 20:34-36 and John ch17

 

[Jim B]

My thoughts agree with the fact that that Scripture is Truth, which upon study has been verified. = John ch17

Your opinion only. Of course Scripture is Truth, unlike your interpretation of it.

 

[David in NJ]

Your opinion only. Of course Scripture is Truth, unlike your interpretation of it.

LOL x 100
Thanks for the free laughter.

 

[Jim B]

LOL x 100
Thanks for the free laughter.

You think this discussion is funny??? Shame on you!

Bye, David. I'm done.

 

[theefaith]

I am a believer in the principle of sola scriptura, primarily because of the kind of nonsense that some denominations add to it. This glorification/deification of Mary is a prime example. Catholics clearly have a need to create a female deity so they manufacture a woman who is a virgin (as if that's important!), sinless, smarter than her son, and brings salvation to her people. The Biblical Mary was a teenage peasant who, by God's grace, was used by Him to give birth to a son and, along with Joseph, raised Him to become a carpenter (along with His siblings). Her parenting is hardly mentioned in Scripture, except that she lost track of Him for several days, was rebuffed by Him when she wanted to talk to Him, suggested that He make water into wine, and witnessed His crucifixion.

Everything beyond that is manufactured to satisfy a cultural need, as opposed to Biblical truth. If the Catholic church was more in tune with the Bible I would consider their doctrine, but unfortunately they would rather go along with their manufactured myths and strange rituals.

scripture demands the apostolic tradition or teaching

Tradition means teaching!

Divine tradition: the personal teaching of Jesus Christ to His church of the apostles!

Apostolic tradition: extension of the divine tradition to all time and places
Universal, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to safeguard the truth and teach all nations!

Teaching authority of the apostles!

Inspired human tradition: the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to a man who is not an apostle, but is verified by the apostolic tradition!

Mere human tradition: unaided by God!

Demonic tradition: inspiration of satan!


3) Examples:

Divine tradition: only the personal teaching of Christ to the church of the apostles.

Apostolic tradition: an extension of the divine tradition with the inspiration and guidance of the Holy Spirit to safeguard, defend, and teach the faith revealed by Christ in the unity of the church founded by Christ on Peter, & the apostles!

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you…

Inspired human tradition: the gospel of Luke who was not an apostle.

Mere human tradition: 1st Sunday communion, Sunday school, wed night prayer meeting. Etc.

Demonic tradition: the theory of evolution or the communist manifesto.


4) Scripture:

Tradition in general:

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Divine tradition:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!

Apostolic tradition:

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)

Matt 16:18-19
Jn 29:21-23
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13


Inspired human tradition:

Luke’s gospel and acts of the apostles.

Mere human tradition:

Not scriptural! No authority from God!

Demonic tradition:

Not scriptural! No authority from God!


5) The nature of the church!

The church does not require scripture to know the truths revealed by God! Jude 1:3, 1 Tim 3:15

Church is eternal! Lk 1:32-33

Christ and His apostolic church are one! Matt 5:14 Jn 15:1 Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 1 Tim 3:15

The holy church is a Perfect society founded by Christ for the salvation of all men!

And to Faithfully transmit and saintly safeguard the deposit of faith!

No one has authority from Christ except His church of the apostles to define and declare truth!

Scripture is the possession of the church!

All of divine revelation is the word of God and thee faith given to the church of the apostles by Christ
to safeguard against all error, and
to faithfully teach all nations!

The doctrine of the “Bible alone” is heresy and is opposed by the scriptures. Matt 16:28-19 Matt 18:18 Jn 29:21-23 Acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

The church is an extension of Christ who taught the truth, and the church is commanded to teach all nations these same truths called the deposit of faith! Matt 28:19 Jude 1:3

All scripture came by tradition!

By divine, apostolic, and inspired human tradition that is verified by the apostolic tradition!

The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter & the apostles received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his church!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Or the apostolic tradition! Acts 2:42

All men Must be taught, or instructed, Lk 1:4 acts 8:31 and hear the church Matt 18:17 and the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14 , Jn 15:5, Acts 9:4, Eph 5:32

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church. Matt 28:19

The holy church does not require scripture to know the truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures, and the apostolic authority verified them, declared what is inspired scripture, and what is not the inspired scripture, as an example the gospel of Thomas is not inspired scripture but the gospel of Matthew is inspired scripture.

The deposit of faith, the entire divine revelation and word of God is given to the church of the apostles by Christ to safeguard against all error!
And to faithfully teach all nations!
Jude 1:3, Matt 28:19

The church of the apostles founded by Christ on Peter received all of the faith, all truths revealed by God personally taught by Christ to his apostles!

The rule of faith is the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Must hear the church Matt 18:17 the church is the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15 cos Christ and his apostolic church are one!
Matt 5:14
Jn 15:5
Acts 9:4
eph 5:32

Truth must be revealed by Christ Jude 1:3 and taught by his apostolic church Matt 28:19

The church does not require scripture to know truth cos the church received the “deposit of faith” Jude 1:3 from Christ in person and the church of the apostles by apostolic authority and inspired human authority wrote the scriptures.

Scripture is the possession of the church! Used for the needs and purposes in the church!

All new testament Scripture was written by the church!


Divine revelation or the word of God! Handed to His church of the apostles by Christ! Jude 1:3
To safeguard against all error!
To faithfully teach all nations!
Matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

There is a big difference between apostolic tradition and the “tradition of men!

Apostolic tradition is commanded by Christ and has the authority of Christ and must be believed, the “tradition of men” has no authority!

The apostolic tradition involves the divine revelation of Jesus Christ, with His command to teach all nations! Matt 28:19

It is unlawful to reject the revelation of God!

The apostolic tradition or teaching authority of Christ in His church involves the Holy Spirit! Jn 16:13
And the gifts of the Spirit! Wisdom, knowledge, etc.
The “tradition of men” only has human wisdom!
The apostolic tradition is united to Christ, His mission, power and authority! Jn 15:5 Jn 20:21

Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
Apostolic tradition or teaching authority of Christ in His church!

Are these not men?
Why is apostolic tradition different from the “tradition of men”?

Why is apostolic tradition acceptable and the “tradition of men” is not acceptable?

 

[David in NJ]

You think this discussion is funny??? Shame on you!

Bye, David. I'm done.

Your ad hominem is funny.

Come back whenever your ready.
My love for you is in Christ for HE loves you and so do i.

When we learn to laugh together we learn to Live together and we learn to Love each other.

 

[theefaith]

God prepared the body for His Son = not Mary = Hebrews 10:5-10
Mary submitted unto God and she was greatly blessed by her obedience. = Luke 1:26-38
Mary gave birth to the body God had prepared for Himself. = Hebrews 10:5-10
Mary is not a virgin.
Mary is no longer a woman.

Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation
Mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Mother of the entire person was f Jesus who is God!
Mother of God Lk 1:43

 

[David in NJ]

Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation
Mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Mother of the entire person was f Jesus who is God!
Mother of God Lk 1:43

Perverse Roman pagan teaching.

Hell awaits all who are idolators and pervert the word of Truth.

As a former RCC member, i urge you to repent from blaspheming the Salvation of God thru Christ, and Christ alone, by corrupting scripture and preaching the worship of Mary.

It is written in the Scriptures: whoever works on the LORD's Sabbath Rest shall suffer eternal separation from God.

 

[Jim B]

"Then [Jesus] said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27

 

[David in NJ]

"Then [Jesus] said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27

AMEN = For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Since JESUS is LORD of/over the Sabbath, where do we find our REST?

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[theefaith]

RCC are carnal false teachers, therefore they appeal to the carnal mind = thus for Mary to have perpetual virginity is a false 'holiness' that appeals to paganistic teachings.

Mary lost her virginity when Jesus, as a baby, burst thru her vaginal wall - game over.
She lost her 'virginity' a second time when God Ordained husband, Joseph, penetrated her in the marriage bed = according to the Will of God.

OH HELL NO!

it was a miraculous conception and a miraculous birth!

you are denying the “virgin birth”
That’s Christian doctrine and perpetual virgin also

Isa 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

a virgin shall CONCEIVE AND A VIRGIN SHALL BEAR!

virgin before!
Virgin during!
Virgin forever!

Her sacred womb only gave birth to one!

Jesus Christ!

Lk 1:42 blessed is the fruit of Thy womb!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes

 

[David in NJ]

OH HELL NO!

it was a miraculous conception and a miraculous birth!

you are denying the “virgin birth”
That’s Christian doctrine and perpetual virgin also

Isa 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

a virgin shall CONCEIVE AND A VIRGIN SHALL BEAR!

virgin before!
Virgin during!
Virgin forever!

Her sacred womb only gave birth to one!

Jesus Christ!

Lk 1:42 blessed is the fruit of Thy womb!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes

When you worship Mary and pervert Scripture - you are saying 'HELL YEAH'