Bible alone!

[Truther]

You misunderstand who ELOHIM IS and the Scripture.

Death is not Glory
Death does not reside in God
Death is a Curse = See Genesis ch3
Death is Condemned to the Lake of Fire for all Eternity = Rev ch20
Demonic Catholic doctrine keeps Jesus on the Cross

"But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world is the Glorious Plan of God that overcame the Curse of Death.
Slain = Sacrifice = Romans 12:1

You have been following false doctrine that twists the scripture ever so slighty to make it seem as if you are on the right path.

Follow the instructions of Romans 12:1-2

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

No, for you to say that Jesus was praying for a reinstatement of a DIVINE glory he once had is bizarre.

 

[Truther]

your full of beans!

probably ate four bowls!

and eating speaks louder than words!

LOL

 

[Truther]

broken anti-divinity of Christ record!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Just obey Acts 2:38, Catholic.

Do something spiritually constructive for once, okay?

 

[David in NJ]

No, for you to say that Jesus was praying for a reinstatement of a DIVINE glory he once had is bizarre.

bizarre
Definition: Very strange or unusual, especially in a striking or shocking way. synonym: fantastic.

Things that fall under 'bizarre':
A.) God would come to earth in the form of His Son and suffer and die for scandalous men
B.) God would despise what man esteems highly
C.) God would reject 'good works' to pay for our sins
D.) God would choose foolish, weak, despised humans to breath Life into them and give them His Spirit
E.) God would choose me

 

[Truther]

bizarre
Definition: Very strange or unusual, especially in a striking or shocking way. synonym: fantastic.

Things that fall under 'bizarre':
A.) God would come to earth in the form of His Son and suffer and die for scandalous men
B.) God would despise what man esteems highly
C.) God would reject 'good works' to pay for our sins
D.) God would choose foolish, weak, despised humans to breath Life into them and give them His Spirit
E.) God would choose me

Look, to say that a divine being surrendered his divinity and asked for it to be reinstated by another divinity is bizarre. That is definitely not scriptural. It definitely does not represent Almighty God.

 

[David in NJ]

Look, to say that a divine being surrendered his divinity and asked for it to be reinstated by another divinity is bizarre. That is definitely not scriptural. It definitely does not represent Almighty God.

Then Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. 6I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7Now they know that everything You have given Me comes from You. 8For I have given them the words You gave Me, and they have received them. They knew with certainty that I came from You, and they believed that You sent Me. 9I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours. 10All I have is Yours, and all You have is Mine; and in them I have been glorified. 11I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You.

Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me,b so that they may be one as We are one. 12While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. 13But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.c 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth. 20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me. 24Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me. 26And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”

 

[Truther]

Then Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. 6I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7Now they know that everything You have given Me comes from You. 8For I have given them the words You gave Me, and they have received them. They knew with certainty that I came from You, and they believed that You sent Me. 9I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours. 10All I have is Yours, and all You have is Mine; and in them I have been glorified. 11I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You.

Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me,b so that they may be one as We are one. 12While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. 13But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.c 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth. 20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me. 24Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me. 26And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”

When did Jesus lose his glory to ask to be reglorified?

 

[Jim B]

When did Jesus lose his glory to ask to be reglorified?

When He became fully human.

 

[Truther]

When He became fully human.

Peter glorified God in his death and Jesus did not glorify God in his death?

 

[Jim B]

Peter glorified God in his death and Jesus did not glorify God in his death?

What are you saying? My post was in response to "When did Jesus lose his glory to ask to be reglorified?" You're changing the subject.

 

[David in NJ]

When did Jesus lose his glory to ask to be reglorified?

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phillipians ch2

 

[Truther]

What are you saying? My post was in response to "When did Jesus lose his glory to ask to be reglorified?" You're changing the subject.

I told you that Peter glorified God in his death. Jesus also glorified God in his death. This is the glory that he prayed for the day before his crucifixion. He got what he prayed for. That was not a coincidence. His former glory was him being slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Truther]

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phillipians ch2

Question, did almighty God humble him self before wicked men and demons or did the man Christ Jesus humble himself?

 

[David in NJ]

Question, did almighty God humble him self before wicked men and demons or did the man Christ Jesus humble himself?

As it is written: "HE (Jesus the only begotten Son of God = the Word that became flesh = Immanuel/God with us) humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death." Philippians ch2

And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
John 17:5

 

[Truther]

As it is written: "HE (Jesus the only begotten Son of God = the Word that became flesh = Immanuel/God with us) humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death." Philippians ch2

And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
John 17:5

No, it does not say God humbled Himself.

Is says a man humbled himself.

God did not become flesh(sperm cell) as incarnationists teach.

 

[n2thelight]

You were saying that you did not accept my sentence of truth as it was not scripture.

I'm asking what do I need outside of scripture ?

 

[David in NJ]

D

No, it does not say God humbled Himself.

Is says a man humbled himself.

God did not become flesh(sperm cell) as incarnationists teach.

What does the Scripture declare?
Was Elohim a man before the Word became flesh and dwelt among us???

 

[Truther]

D


What does the Scripture declare?
Was Elohim a man before the Word became flesh and dwelt among us???

Jesus was always a man in the mind/will of God, which is reality, since God transcends time.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus was always a man in the mind/will of God, which is reality, since God transcends time.

Prove you statement from the Scripture alone.

 

[theefaith]

Is Jesus the savior?