Ronald Nolette
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No the Holy Spirit is a person!.
He speaks, He instructs, He can be grieved, He can be lied to, He is called God. an invisible active force can't have that.
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No the Holy Spirit is a person!.
He speaks, He instructs, He can be grieved, He can be lied to, He is called God. an invisible active force can't have that.
You are not?
Surely you are aware of what you wrote.
devin553344 said:
Acts 10:44-48 is in the Bible, and it reads there that the holy spirit was poured out - given to - Cornelius, and his entire household before baptism.
Which would make your statement what?
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Nowhere Pearl?
...but it does... many places. Here are only a few:-
Numbers 11:17 ; Numbers 11:25 ; Psalm 143:10 ; John 1:32 ; John 14:16, 17 ; Acts 2:2
It's also refered to as the spirit. Here is just one of many of those references. John 1:33
I don't refer to my spirit as "he", no, but some persons might refer to it as she, since people tend to use the feminine for these things.
I surely hope you would not do that
So you are saying that it's not possible to engage in Bible study or Bible discussion here?
So may I ask, why you posted in the thread? Is it to just say what you believe, and claim that you are correct?
Bob Estey
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When did I say that it's not possible to engage in Bible study or Bible discussion here?
I too received the Holy Spirit before I was baptised.
ByGraceThroughFaith
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David in NJ
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Not one of those passages in scripture refer to the Spirit of God as 'it' = please read more carefully and turn away from bearing false witness.
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
So because... ?
.. but you said... Do you believe Jesus is a door? a gate? a way? Do you believe God has wings? feathers?
So were you not saying that they do not have to be taken literal? So I thought you understood that those expressions can figuratively be applied to holy spirit, since it is God's spirit.
Where does the Bible say the holy spirit is God?
I've never read that. All scriptures say it is the Spirit of God. Genesis 1:2
I'm surprised that you don't see the word "of", in the same way you see the word "he".
I really shouldn't be surprised though, but ... Well... What more can I say.
Sounds like you are not born again @The Disciple John So it impossible for those who don't have new life in Christ to understand the things of God.
1 Corinthians 1:18
Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
David in NJ
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Genesis firmly establishes that the Spirit of God is God just as the Father is God the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
The word for God is Elohim which is plural = more then one.
In order for Elohim to reveal Himself to us HE gave us Genesis which is the Foundation of ALL Truth that would follow up to Revelation.
Any doctrine/teaching that contradicts Genesis is therefore in error in some part or in whole.
As far as the Holy Spirit being declared God apart from Genesis, you can easily read of this Truth in Acts ch5.
Please keep in mind and in your heart that to speak falsehood is bearing false witness - we have all been there as sin is a false witness.
I once did a study on the Holy Spirit for some JW friends who believed him to be just a 'force'.
It was a question. Not a statement.
To my questions... What does the Bible say? Does it agree with you? You responded by saying "The Bible is more than 1000 pages. There isn't room here to quote all of it."
So I am asking if you are saying it's not possible to engage in Bible study or Bible discussion here?
Because if you feel you need to quote the whole Bible in order to support your belief, then I wonder if you feel you can't have a Bible discussion, and express why you believe what you do.
When Peter said, "but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear", he was not asking us to quote the whole Bible.
Paul used the Bible skillfully and effectively, "explaining and proving that the Messiah had to suffer and rise from the dead." - Acts 17:3
Did you notice... explaining and proving.
Obviously Paul used scriptural references to prove what he said. He did not just say things. He used the scriptures to prove what he said... explaining.
That's what I am encouraging, since it is a sign that one has holy spirit, and is a disciple of Christ.
Is there anything I said here, which you disagree with?
David in NJ
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Excellent, beautiful and true pearls have been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit.
Bob Estey
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I'm not aware of any contradictions between what I believe, and what God or Jesus said.
The Holy Spirit is a vital part of our salvation, for without him opening our eyes we would never see Jesus and be drawn to give our lives to him. And not everybody who attends church services has had their eyes opened to God’s saving grace. At first we know nothing of this and it is something we only learn about as we begin to follow him. I would like all new Christians to be able to build their new lives on a solid foundation but sadly that doesn’t always happen.
To be able to live righteously once we have become Christians we need to call upon the power of the Holy Spirit on a daily basis in order to be cleansed, revived, restored, refreshed and renewed. To try to live our lives as God intends us to without the continuing presence of the Holy Spirit would be like trying to run a car on empty or with a flat battery. The Holy Spirit is both our fuel and our power pack. He is the water too, as without a regular topping up of water the motor would overheat, burn out or blow a gasket and be completely useless.
To be able to live righteously once we have become Christians we need to call upon the power of the Holy Spirit on a daily basis in order to be cleansed, revived, restored, refreshed and renewed. To try to live our lives as God intends us to without the continuing presence of the Holy Spirit would be like trying to run a car on empty or with a flat battery. The Holy Spirit is both our fuel and our power pack. He is the water too, as without a regular topping up of water the motor would overheat, burn out or blow a gasket and be completely useless.
We could all make personal attacks on each other, but that is not civil. Rather than attack the poster, we are required to address the post.
I am in fact not born again, but the scriptures do not say that is a requirement for understanding the scriptures.
It does say a requirement for understanding the scriptures is to be taught be God.
Jesus was the foremost taught one. He taught his disciples, and they in turn taught others.
That is the process, which Jesus continues to use. Matthew 24:45
Remember it was after holy spirit was poured out on his disciples, that this happened...
Acts 8
26 And the angel of the Lord spoke unto Philip, saying, “Arise and go toward the south unto the road that goeth down from Jerusalem into Gaza, which is desert.”
27 And he arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who had charge of all her treasure and had come to Jerusalem to worship,
28 was returning; and sitting in his chariot, he was reading Isaiah the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, “Go near and join thyself to this chariot.”
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Understandest thou what thou readest?”
31 And he said, “How can I, unless some man should guide me?” And he besought Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
I'm just a humble person who is listening to Jesus through his followers here on earth - the ones who are born again - annointed by holy spirit.
So, I do have understanding of scripture.
Can you imagine me saying to Peter in those days, when he comes to me with the message, "Peter. I am born again."
Lol. No. I would accept that God does the choosing, and Jesus - the head of the body - appointed ones to feed his sheep, his little lambs.
I am just a humble lamb. I am not destined for heaven. My citizenship does not exist in the heavens, but rather, here on earth. Matthew 6:10; Romans 8:18-23; Ephesians 1:10; Psalms 37:9-11, 29.
I look forward to that paradise, when the wicked are gone. We wouldn't have to worry about the Hitlers, Stalins, nor Putins.
Hence there is no scriptural reason for me to be born again.
Here is what Jesus said is required of me, if I want to survive God's wrath, which is coming.
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, ‘Verily I say unto you, inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me.’
I just have to assist Jesus brothers - the born again annointed ones whose citizenship exists in the heavens, with one purpose - to be kings, priest and judges, and rule with Christ, for the 1,000 years. Revelation 20:6
That's all. No. I am not goat-like. I am a feeding lamb, following the shepherds instructions.
One primary instruction being - declaring the good news of God's kingdom, before the end come (Matthew 24:14), and making disciples of people, teaching them (Matthew 28:19, 20).
I assume you are familiar with Matthew 7:1.
I'm sorry you felt it was personal attack. If you are not a Christian then I presume you are on this forum looking for answers. Discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit and none of us are able to fully understand the scriptures without the guidance of the Holy Spirit. And you can only be filled with the spirit once you are born again. That is the point where you become a Christian. No other way except through Jesus.
John 3:3
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
PS. It is possible to know the scriptures without knowing Jesus and then it is just empty knowledge. Scriptures by themselves will not love you or save you or forgive your sin or give you eternal life. Only Jesus.
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