you cannot accept the reading CHRIST, as I have said, because you are a jehovah's witness, who deny that the Bible teaches Jesus is YHWH!
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you cannot accept the reading CHRIST, as I have said, because you are a jehovah's witness, who deny that the Bible teaches Jesus is YHWH!
Aunty Jane
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Oh please....it's just what the Bible says without all the tap dancing and inference you have to refer to, to back up what God and his Christ never said.
Not once did Jesus ever say he was Yahweh. No apostle ever said he was God incarnate because to Jews, that would have been blasphemy.
Not once have you produced a single scripture where either Yahweh or his Christ confessed what you believe. I'll interpret that as you having nothing to back up your assertions.
It's your choice to believe the lies introduced by the "weeds" over 300 years after Jesus died....I discovered and dispensed with those lies a long time ago....Jesus will decide who belongs to him, and whom he will reject as those he "never knew".....
I hope you are confident....as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, who abandoned Christendom because of recognizing the lies it still teaches to this day.....I know I am.
When we choose the path, we choose the destination......I wish you well.
Even the New World Translation of the Bible says for Jesus Christ, that He is "Mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6, https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/9/). Then, in chapter 10, "Only a remnant will return,The remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God" (verse 21, https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/nwt/books/isaiah/10/). Either both references to "Mighty God" are for Jesus Christ, where in chapter 10 He is called "Jahovah" (verse 20). Or, in 9:6 it is Jesus Christ, and 10:12, the Father. Here is very clear Teaching in the Old Testament, that there are TWO PERSONS, Who are EQUALLY called MIGHTY GOD. Now you show that Jesus Christ is not MIGHTY GOD in the Old Testament.
Aunty Jane
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How about you stop with these references to possibilities and show us actual scripture that supports your belief.....? We need a clear unequivocal statement from either God or his son to the effect that they are part of a three in one “godhead” that they share with the Holy Spirit. If you cannot provide that, then you have no foundations for your supposition. Appeals will not cut it.....just provide that clear statement and the issue is resolved. If you cannot do that I have nothing more to say to you.
how about dealing with the 2 verses from Isaiah, where it is CLEAR, that there are TWO DISTINCT PERSONS, Who are EQUALLY called MIGHTY GOD? Then we can move on.
Aunty Jane
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LOL...you really are a sucker for punishment aren't you...?
Here we go with the titles again.
Jesus is called "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 because a "god" ("'ēl") in Hebrew scripture is not a title that is unique to Jehovah. (John 10:34-35) Jehovah himself called the judges in Israel "gods" ("'ĕlōhîm") because of their divine authority. (Psalm 82:6) This word is applied to...
- rulers, judges
- divine ones
- angels
- gods" (Strongs)
"Mighty God" (Hebrew "el gibbór,") is applied to both Jesus (in prophesy) and to his Father....because they are both "mighty ones" which is what the word God ("'ēl") means. "....."strong, mighty" so this title applies to both. It is similar in Greek...."theos" doesn't just mean Jehovah either. It can be applied to Jesus as in John 1:1 without making him the Almighty.
"el Shaddái" OTOH means "GOD ALMIGHTY" which is a designation that applies only to the true God.....never to Jesus.
So we revert back to the original request.....a single scripture that categorically states that Jesus is "el Shaddái".
There is no moving on until you fulfill the request....
how many Bible Versions can you list, that translate אֵל גִּבּוֹר in Isaiah 10:21, as "mighty ones"? The Hebrew "אֵל" is singular in number "God", so where do you get "ones" from? You are just arguing for the sake of it, as I have shown, that even your own NWT renders the Hebrew as MIGHTY GOD!.
In Revelation 5:13-14, it reads:
"And ALL of the Creation, which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things that are in them, heard I saying, to Him Who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be ALL the Blessing, and ALL the Honour, and ALL the Glory, and ALL the Might, for ever and ever. And the four living creatures said, Amen. And the elders fell down and Worshipped." (so emphasized in the Greek)
Note the words, “τω καθημενω επι του θρονου και τω αρνιω”, “to Him Who sits on the throne AND to the Lamb”
Whatever is true for "Him that Sits on the Throne", is true for "The Lamb", Who is Jesus Christ. They BOTH EQUALLY have "ALL the Blessing, and ALL the Honour, and ALL the Glory, and ALL the Might". The last phrase, "ALL the Might", means "ALMIGHTY"! Also note, that BOTH are WORSHIPPED.
In John 1:1, we have “καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν”, "And the Word was WITH God", which shows their DISTINCTION as Persons. And then,
“καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος”, "and the Word was God". Dr Noyes, in his New Testament, also reads, "and the Word was God". He was a Unitarian, like you, denied that Jesus Christ is GOD, but honest enough to translate the Greek correctly! So, we have TWO Who are EQUALLY GOD.
Ziggy
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Who is speaking?
Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
and I like this verse..
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
This says to me that God's glory IS the lamb.
How can God's glory be seperate from who he is?
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Just sharing my thoughts..
Hugs
Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
and I like this verse..
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
This says to me that God's glory IS the lamb.
How can God's glory be seperate from who he is?
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Just sharing my thoughts..
Hugs
Aunty Jane
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There is no point even discussing anything with you....you don't listen....Both Jesus and his Father fit the title "Mighty God" because both fit the definition of that title. Both however do not fit the title "Almighty God" because only one of them is "ALMIGHTY"...the Father.
The scripture does not say that both are "worshipped".
Read the whole of chapter 5, slowly and with comprehension.....it is presented in signs and symbols.
vs 6-10...
"And I saw standing in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a lamb that seemed to have been slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God that have been sent out into the whole earth. 7 At once he came forward and took it out of the right hand of the One seated on the throne. 8 When he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb, and each one had a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense. (The incense means the prayers of the holy ones.) 9 And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
Those that 'fell down' before the Lamb are doing obeisance, not worship. What are they singing...? "You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation."
This is a song of praise for his faithful course in shedding his blood for mankind....this is not worship.......who was it that sent him to sacrifice his life for us? (John 17:3) If he is equally God, why did one part of God need to "send" and equal part of himself?
Vs 13-14...
"And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.” 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped."
Who is the "ONE" sitting on the throne? It is Jehovah....he is the one being "worshipped".
Again you are ignoring everything that has been said to you..."theos" does not only mean Jehovah....it is a term given to others as well because it doesn't mean what you are implying. You seem oblivious to the fact that there is no upper and lower case in Greek. You differentiate Jehovah with a capital "G" in English, but with a lower case "g" it simply means a "god". Without the definite article in John 1:1, which identified Jehovah in the first instance, it is calling Jesus "a god"...someone divinely authorized by his Father.
This is a completely pointless exercise if you can't even acknowledge the simplest definition of the word "theos".
You have not produced a single scripture where God or his Christ admit to being a three in one "godhead" with the holy spirit......when you can provide that with no smoke and mirrors, we might have something to discuss.....but since you cannot find any direct quotation as requested....I am done. You have nothing but suggestion....which is a poor substitute for truth IMO. You can believe whatever you wish....
Taken
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Whom do you believe Jesus is?
Whom do you believe Yehweh is?
Whom do you believe Christ is?
Thank you.
Taken
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Jesus Died for Judas
OP^
Jesus’ Act:
Jesus willingly gave his bodily life, A GIFT, for the whole world.
Mans Option:
Hear about Jesus’ GIFT.
Receive a measured GIFT from God, for Hearing.
What is Hearing?
Receiving the Word of God into your EARS?
Once Heard, you can not UNHear the Word of God.
Hear little, receive a little measure of Gods GIFT.
Gods GIFT IS FAITH.
What is the benefit of receiving Gods Gift of Faith?
1) God IS Temporarily “with” you.
2) When God IS “with” you, God gives you His Spiritual blessings.
Mans Option:
Continuing Hearing, Continue receiving Faith.
IF you Say, Speak, Ask what you Hear in your Ears...
The Word from your Ears, transfers to your mouth.
The Word of God IN your mouth, is called TASTING.
What IS the Purpose of TASTING?
It is putting something IN YOUR mouth.
How many times, for how long can you TASTE the Word of God?
Endless times, and for A moment, A day, months, years.
What is the Benefit of Tasting the Word of God?
1) To see IF you like it.
2) To see IF you want to continue hearing, tasting more.
Mans Option:
1) Continue Hearing, Continue Tasting, Continue receiving measures of Faith (from God) Continue receiving Blessings (from the Spirit of God)
2) No commitment.
3) Deciding IF you BELIEVE, what you Hear.
4) May BELIEVE, still no commitment....yet Continue.
5) “CHOOSE” to Stop Hearing, Stop Tasting, Stop receiving measures of Faith, Stop receiving Blessings of Gods Spirit.
6) DO WHAT, with what you have TASTED? SPIT IT OUT.
7) Called.....Fallen FROM Faith.
8) Called.....Non-Believer
Mans Option:
1) Decide he BELIEVES.
2) Decide TO MAKE a “Commitment”.
3) Call on the Lords Name...
.....Who is the Lord? What is His Name?.....Jesus
.....Why call on Him, His Name?
.....Because He IS a sinful mans ADVOCATE, ie intercessor, for a sinful man to send a Message, to thee Holy Heavenly God.
4) And what is the mans MESSAGE to send?
....Confession of Having HAD disbelief.
....Sorrow FOR Having HAD disbelief.
....Confession FROM the Hearts Thoughts OF Having Belief.
5) Expectation, Promise, Assurance...
...God will Accept your heartful Confession of Sorrow, for Having HAD Disbeliev.
...God will Accept your heartful Confession of Your Word of BELIEF.
6) Called EATING their Gift of Gods Holy Spirit.
Gods ACT; (in brief)
...Forgiveness
...Complete Restoration of soul, Quickening of your spirit, Promise to Quicken and Rise your Body Up in a Glorified Sinless Holy Body.
...Freed from Sin.
...Can Sin no more.
...Temporarily, for the remainder of your physical life, The Lord Gods SPIRIT...”IN” you....KEEPING YOU IN FAITH, By His Power.
...Permanently, Sealed unto God.
...For ever, Gods Spirit “WITH” you.
...Status title; son of God.
...Called Receiving Gods Holy Gift.
...Called Baptism of Gods Holy Spirit.
True;
Jesus’ Gave His Body unto Death; “FOR” Judas and ALL men OF the World.
True;
Jesus’ GIFT is already Every mans Gift.
True;
Many men will Hear about THEIR Gift Offering from God.
True;
Many men will Taste their Gift, and Spit it out.
True;
Some men will Taste their Gift...and then EAT IT.
True:
God BAPTIZES men, (WHO EAT Gods Offering) with Gods Holy Spirit.
OP^
Jesus’ Act:
Jesus willingly gave his bodily life, A GIFT, for the whole world.
Mans Option:
Hear about Jesus’ GIFT.
Receive a measured GIFT from God, for Hearing.
What is Hearing?
Receiving the Word of God into your EARS?
Once Heard, you can not UNHear the Word of God.
Hear little, receive a little measure of Gods GIFT.
Gods GIFT IS FAITH.
What is the benefit of receiving Gods Gift of Faith?
1) God IS Temporarily “with” you.
2) When God IS “with” you, God gives you His Spiritual blessings.
Mans Option:
Continuing Hearing, Continue receiving Faith.
IF you Say, Speak, Ask what you Hear in your Ears...
The Word from your Ears, transfers to your mouth.
The Word of God IN your mouth, is called TASTING.
What IS the Purpose of TASTING?
It is putting something IN YOUR mouth.
How many times, for how long can you TASTE the Word of God?
Endless times, and for A moment, A day, months, years.
What is the Benefit of Tasting the Word of God?
1) To see IF you like it.
2) To see IF you want to continue hearing, tasting more.
Mans Option:
1) Continue Hearing, Continue Tasting, Continue receiving measures of Faith (from God) Continue receiving Blessings (from the Spirit of God)
2) No commitment.
3) Deciding IF you BELIEVE, what you Hear.
4) May BELIEVE, still no commitment....yet Continue.
5) “CHOOSE” to Stop Hearing, Stop Tasting, Stop receiving measures of Faith, Stop receiving Blessings of Gods Spirit.
6) DO WHAT, with what you have TASTED? SPIT IT OUT.
7) Called.....Fallen FROM Faith.
8) Called.....Non-Believer
Mans Option:
1) Decide he BELIEVES.
2) Decide TO MAKE a “Commitment”.
3) Call on the Lords Name...
.....Who is the Lord? What is His Name?.....Jesus
.....Why call on Him, His Name?
.....Because He IS a sinful mans ADVOCATE, ie intercessor, for a sinful man to send a Message, to thee Holy Heavenly God.
4) And what is the mans MESSAGE to send?
....Confession of Having HAD disbelief.
....Sorrow FOR Having HAD disbelief.
....Confession FROM the Hearts Thoughts OF Having Belief.
5) Expectation, Promise, Assurance...
...God will Accept your heartful Confession of Sorrow, for Having HAD Disbeliev.
...God will Accept your heartful Confession of Your Word of BELIEF.
6) Called EATING their Gift of Gods Holy Spirit.
Gods ACT; (in brief)
...Forgiveness
...Complete Restoration of soul, Quickening of your spirit, Promise to Quicken and Rise your Body Up in a Glorified Sinless Holy Body.
...Freed from Sin.
...Can Sin no more.
...Temporarily, for the remainder of your physical life, The Lord Gods SPIRIT...”IN” you....KEEPING YOU IN FAITH, By His Power.
...Permanently, Sealed unto God.
...For ever, Gods Spirit “WITH” you.
...Status title; son of God.
...Called Receiving Gods Holy Gift.
...Called Baptism of Gods Holy Spirit.
True;
Jesus’ Gave His Body unto Death; “FOR” Judas and ALL men OF the World.
True;
Jesus’ GIFT is already Every mans Gift.
True;
Many men will Hear about THEIR Gift Offering from God.
True;
Many men will Taste their Gift, and Spit it out.
True;
Some men will Taste their Gift...and then EAT IT.
True:
God BAPTIZES men, (WHO EAT Gods Offering) with Gods Holy Spirit.
Taken
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Thank you. I do not belong to her group, nor study that groups beliefs.
Maybe she will answer me.
Aunty Jane
Well-Known Member
I believe that Jesus is who he said he was....”the son of God” (John 10:33-36).....not God incarnate, which he never claimed to be....not once...not ever.
The man Jesus came into existence as a result of God’s rescue plan for the human race.....born to give his sinless life in exchange for ours. (Matthew 20:28) But Jesus said he came from heaven...and yet, despite his pre-human existence in heaven, he never once said that he was equal to his God and Father. In fact even after his return to heaven, he still referred to his Father as “my God”. (Revelation 3:12)
Yahweh is also who he said he was, and also who Jesus said he was....
He told his people...”And will take you to myself for a people, And will become your God,—And ye shall know that I Yahweh am your God, who brought you forth from under the burdens of Egypt.” (Exodus 6:7)
Deuteronomy 6:4...”Hear, O Israel: Yahweh is our God,—Yahweh alone.”
John 17:3...Jesus said.....”This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
[quoteWhom do you believe Christ is?[/QUOTE]
Jesus became “the Christ” (anointed one) at his baptism at the age of 30. That baptism was the beginning of his role as Messiah, which would last three and a half short years before he would willingly sacrifice his life for us.
Any Jew would have rejected the trinity outright because it would have been blasphemy to them. Their God was “one”...not “three”. It took over 300 years for the church to introduce this blasphemy into its official “church” doctrine.....long enough for any residual Jewish objections to have well and truly faded. Roman Catholicism dominated and a fusion worship was created. It wasn’t Christianised paganism...it was paganised Christianity. That is what remains to this day.
This is a very serious issue because when the judgment comes, and Jesus finds that the majority who identify as “Christians” are worshipping the wrong God....or even the wrong representation of God, he will not treat it lightly. (Matthew 7:21-23)
“Few” are said to be on the road to life because the “many” are travelling the wrong road. (Matthew 7:13-14) It is the beliefs of the “many” that will condemn them.
Remember the “wheat and the weeds”?.....those weeds were planted not long after Jesus’ apostles passed away....and they have grown and overtaken the church to the extent that the majority are inextricably tangled up in those weeds. The wheat have completely separated themselves from any association with them. Harvest time is due.....we will all be found where we have placed ourselves. There will be no excuses.
That is my belief.
Aunty Jane
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Can you give us a clue as to what you claim to be....?
a Bible-believing, born-again Christian, who believes in the Infallibility and Inerrancy of the Original 66 Books of the Holy Bible. That the True God of the Bible, is One Being or Godhead, eternally existing as Three distinct Persons, Father, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit, Who are 100% coequal.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Thank you.
Lev 26:
[12] And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
A long study reveals OT men waiting, anticipating, watching for Gods Promise the He would walk among men, to come into fruition.
The question is: Did Gods Promise, Come into fruition?
Some men say yes.
Some men say no.
I am of the belief, Gods Promise DID come into fruition.
I am of the belief, Human Eyes can NOT SEE GOD, “as He is”...ie Spirit.
I am of the belief, the All powerful God, can APPEAR to men, in a fashion,
That mens eyes CAN SEE.
I am of the belief, numerous times God has APPEARED to the eyes of men, in fashions mens eyes could SEE.
A long study reveals A man Appeared among the Hebrew/Tribal Jews,
WHO claimed he came forth out from God in Heaven, to the Womb of a female Virgin. Remained in that womb 9 months, according to natural law of mankind, was revealed born, coming forth from that womb, according to natural law of mankind. Called that woman’s son. Called by the name Jesus. Registered in the Roman census, mans Law, as the Legal son of that woman, and the Legal son of that woman’s husband, who was legally of the House of David. That born child Jesus, was therefore, the Legal descendants of the forefathers of the male linage, pertaining to the House of David, who is;
Joseph...the woman’s husband and by mans law, the Jesus the Legal son of Joseph.
Brief descendent-ship Order; (does not include every name)
Adam
Noah
Shem
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
Judah
David
Soloman
Jacob
Joseph
Jesus
This Jesus, as told to the woman with the virgin womb, WOULD be called;
The Son of God.
Why? Because God said so. Where?
Heb 1:
[1] God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
[3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Why did God say, He would be a FATHER to him (Jesus), and he (Jesus) shall be to God, a Son?
Why the ROLE Designation of A FATHER and A SON?
Scripture reveals WHY.
God IS IN Heaven, His Estate, His Throne.
Earth IS Gods footstool.
Men walk about, occupy, their Estate IS, Gods footstool EARTH.
Men can NOT see God as He is.
HOW is God going FULFILL HIS PROMISE to WALK among men ON EARTH, so men CAN SEE Him...when Earthly men can NOT SEE Him?
Does the Eternal God, WITHOUT beginning REPRODUCE something that itself, has NO Beginning? ...uh no.
No. The man Jesus, did not come into existence. The Word of God came forth out from Gods mouth. God Prepared a body for His Word. That Body was prepared in the appearance LIKENESS, AS AN Earthly mans Body.
Sent His Word to Earth, to a particular woman’s VIRGIN (undefiled), womb, to be born IN THE same manner as Earthly men. 9 months waiting, born, genealogy of fathers same legal line back to Adam.
....Gods Word, in Gods Mouth, is God? Yes.
....Gods Word, out of Gods Mouth, still God? Yes
....Gods Word, out of Gods Mouth, yet still remains within God? Yes.
Can YOU make YOUR word come forth out of your mouth, and still remain within you? Sure.
Can YOU make YOUR word come forth out of your mouth, and MAKE your word APPEAR as a man? Why not?
Simple....YOU DO NOT possess the POWER to MAKE YOUR WORD, appear as anything but sounds....and written text....or perhaps drawings.
However the ALL POWERFUL GOD, has the POWER and exercised His POWER, to MAKE His Word come forth out of HIS Mouth in the LIKENESS AS AN EARTHLY MAN.
And ONCE God accomplished that......He said, CALL THAT MAN “WHEN” Gods SENDS Him to EARTH.....Call Him Jesus. And Additionally...that He SHALL be called ......Gods Son....And God SHALL be called HIS Father.
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Gods word out of Gods Mouth.
Shall Accomplish.
Shall prosper in the thing.
Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
John 19:
[15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.
John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
[29] Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Continued...
Taken
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@Aunty Jane
Continued;
Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
You are giving the EFFECTS, after knowledge of his birth on earth, without the background History of HOW.
And YET? Now becomes the matter....do you Believe Jesus IS THE TRUTH...or do you believe Jesus can SPEAK, and you WONDER “IF” what He said IS the TRUTH? That is for you to decide.
Me, I believe EVERY WORD Jesus uttered IS Absolute Truth.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16:
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Why? Why did Jesus not DIRECTLY SAY the words YOU long to Hear???
....”I AM GOD”?
Jesus came to SEEK the Lost Jews. Everybody and their brother KNOWS human Eyes CAN NOT SEE GOD. So, by your logic, it seems LOGICAL that Jesus, appearing AS A MAN....would approach every Jew and say, howdy, Look at me. I have no kingdom, no army, no wealth, no crown, no power, look just like your poor Jewish neighbor with no home, worn out sandals, and BTW, guess what??? I AM YOUR GOD!
Jesus didn’t come to make Himself a laughing stock.
What Jesus DID DO, was teach and show a few men, Gods Word, bits of Gods Power, and LET THE MEN OBSERVING....MAKE THE CLAIMS....He is the Christ Messiah, who IS God in the Flesh.....AND they DID.
Men Heard His Words, Men Saw His miracles, Men Believed....and some men mocked, scorned...and some men that DID NOT Believe....while “mocking”...
were actually Speaking the Truth...calling Him a King, calling Him the Christ, calling Him God.........AND NOT ONCE DID JESUS stop the men, and say, to NOT do those things....DID He?
If a man called YOU the Christ, God in the Flesh, and you were NOT THAT...
Would YOU tell men to NOT do that, it was wrong? Jesus didn’t stop men, Jesus NEVER said men were wrong to call Him the Son of God...curious?
Jesus DID correct men, WHEN they were Wrong....remember?
But did DID NOT correct men, when they called Him King, God, Son of God...
Some Jews wanted to KILL Jesus...for blasphemy. What blasphemy?
Jesus claiming God was “HIS” Father. God doesn’t reproduce offspring.
For God to BE Jesus’ FATHER, meant Jesus was MAKING HIMSELF God...
And the Jews understood that, they SAID that, and thus accused JESUS of blasphemy, of MAKING HIMSELF GOD....
John 10:
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[30] I and my Father are one.
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jesus said, “I and MY” Father are one......one what? One man? One God? One Word? One Spirit?
Did you know, Jesus calling God “HIS Father”, and Jesus saying He is the Son of God....was Jesus revealing HE IS God?
John 10:
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I Am the Son of God? Ring a bell. I Am IS God. Son of God IS God, Jesus IS God.
Yes...God “SAID” many things...for example...
Gen 1:
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Do you wonder IF that is Gods Word coming forth out of Gods Mouth?
The question you need to resolve...IF you believe what God SPEAKS IS Gods WORD....IS God Himself........You can observe...Gen 1:3 Gods Word is coming forth out of His mouth, Speaking....
Did Gods WORD “CHANGE”, because God gave mankind a NAME to call Gods Word?
Or did you learn, Gods Word, was coming forth out of His mouth, LONG before mankind was Created?
Why do you wonder, IF it IS Gods Word, IS God Himself ... because He APPEARED in the LIKENESS as a man TO speak TO men?...and you learned a NAME to call Him, and you learned Titles to call Him?
You come to this forum...YOU send your words to this forum in the FASHION of written text, YOU pick the name to be called on this forum...
Is it reasonable to believe God can SEND His Word in a FASHION of His choosing, and pick a Name to Call His Word?
What is Christ Jesus’ MIND LIKE? Carnal, Earthly like men. Or Spiritual as is Gods MIND?
WHAT is earthly man’s FORM? It is a mans BODY.
WHAT IS Christ Jesus’ FORM? Can man SEE Gods FORM, SHAPE, BODY?
But what can YOU KNOW, without SEEING?
You can KNOW what Christ Jesus’ MIND KNOWS.
Took UPON Himself....so men COULD SEE.
BUT...WHAT WAS UNDER THAT form of a servant, that men COULD NOT SEE?
...the Form/Body of God.
Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Did you learn from Jesus, HOW TO Be “LIKE” God?
Does that mean you BECOME God, or you BECOME MADE in Gods LIKENESS?
Do you know men can APPEAR as a Woman? And to cast your eyes upon such thing....you would not know IF it was a man or a woman?
Sure it requires some nip and tucking....crafted by a surgeons hand....YET do you WONDER, if God, being all powerful hand, could send His Word in a body, He prepared ?
Did you know men have multiple name and titles, yet it is the same ONE man? And not everyone calls that man BY the same names or titles.
Ever wonder, if God can do things, men do? And men can do things, God does?
There ARE numerous Scriptures that tell you all about Gods Word, His Name, His Authority, His Works on behalf of Gods Will.
God IS His own God...there is none above Him.
God Sets His own parameters....that God Himself MUST DO according to HIS GOD....and God Himself CAN NOT Do, according to God. For example;
God CAN NOT violate Gods WORD.
God CAN NOT LIE.
God CAN NOT CHANGE.
God CAN NOT break a Promise.
God CAN NOT give all his Power (ie Glory) to an other.
God Bless,
Taken
Continued;
Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
You are giving the EFFECTS, after knowledge of his birth on earth, without the background History of HOW.
And YET? Now becomes the matter....do you Believe Jesus IS THE TRUTH...or do you believe Jesus can SPEAK, and you WONDER “IF” what He said IS the TRUTH? That is for you to decide.
Me, I believe EVERY WORD Jesus uttered IS Absolute Truth.
John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16:
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Why? Why did Jesus not DIRECTLY SAY the words YOU long to Hear???
....”I AM GOD”?
Jesus came to SEEK the Lost Jews. Everybody and their brother KNOWS human Eyes CAN NOT SEE GOD. So, by your logic, it seems LOGICAL that Jesus, appearing AS A MAN....would approach every Jew and say, howdy, Look at me. I have no kingdom, no army, no wealth, no crown, no power, look just like your poor Jewish neighbor with no home, worn out sandals, and BTW, guess what??? I AM YOUR GOD!
Jesus didn’t come to make Himself a laughing stock.
What Jesus DID DO, was teach and show a few men, Gods Word, bits of Gods Power, and LET THE MEN OBSERVING....MAKE THE CLAIMS....He is the Christ Messiah, who IS God in the Flesh.....AND they DID.
Men Heard His Words, Men Saw His miracles, Men Believed....and some men mocked, scorned...and some men that DID NOT Believe....while “mocking”...
were actually Speaking the Truth...calling Him a King, calling Him the Christ, calling Him God.........AND NOT ONCE DID JESUS stop the men, and say, to NOT do those things....DID He?
If a man called YOU the Christ, God in the Flesh, and you were NOT THAT...
Would YOU tell men to NOT do that, it was wrong? Jesus didn’t stop men, Jesus NEVER said men were wrong to call Him the Son of God...curious?
Jesus DID correct men, WHEN they were Wrong....remember?
But did DID NOT correct men, when they called Him King, God, Son of God...
Some Jews wanted to KILL Jesus...for blasphemy. What blasphemy?
Jesus claiming God was “HIS” Father. God doesn’t reproduce offspring.
For God to BE Jesus’ FATHER, meant Jesus was MAKING HIMSELF God...
And the Jews understood that, they SAID that, and thus accused JESUS of blasphemy, of MAKING HIMSELF GOD....
John 10:
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[30] I and my Father are one.
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Jesus said, “I and MY” Father are one......one what? One man? One God? One Word? One Spirit?
Did you know, Jesus calling God “HIS Father”, and Jesus saying He is the Son of God....was Jesus revealing HE IS God?
John 10:
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I Am the Son of God? Ring a bell. I Am IS God. Son of God IS God, Jesus IS God.
Yes...God “SAID” many things...for example...
Gen 1:
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Do you wonder IF that is Gods Word coming forth out of Gods Mouth?
The question you need to resolve...IF you believe what God SPEAKS IS Gods WORD....IS God Himself........You can observe...Gen 1:3 Gods Word is coming forth out of His mouth, Speaking....
Did Gods WORD “CHANGE”, because God gave mankind a NAME to call Gods Word?
Or did you learn, Gods Word, was coming forth out of His mouth, LONG before mankind was Created?
Why do you wonder, IF it IS Gods Word, IS God Himself ... because He APPEARED in the LIKENESS as a man TO speak TO men?...and you learned a NAME to call Him, and you learned Titles to call Him?
You come to this forum...YOU send your words to this forum in the FASHION of written text, YOU pick the name to be called on this forum...
Is it reasonable to believe God can SEND His Word in a FASHION of His choosing, and pick a Name to Call His Word?
What is Christ Jesus’ MIND LIKE? Carnal, Earthly like men. Or Spiritual as is Gods MIND?
WHAT is earthly man’s FORM? It is a mans BODY.
WHAT IS Christ Jesus’ FORM? Can man SEE Gods FORM, SHAPE, BODY?
But what can YOU KNOW, without SEEING?
You can KNOW what Christ Jesus’ MIND KNOWS.
Took UPON Himself....so men COULD SEE.
BUT...WHAT WAS UNDER THAT form of a servant, that men COULD NOT SEE?
...the Form/Body of God.
Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Did you learn from Jesus, HOW TO Be “LIKE” God?
Does that mean you BECOME God, or you BECOME MADE in Gods LIKENESS?
Do you know men can APPEAR as a Woman? And to cast your eyes upon such thing....you would not know IF it was a man or a woman?
Sure it requires some nip and tucking....crafted by a surgeons hand....YET do you WONDER, if God, being all powerful hand, could send His Word in a body, He prepared ?
Did you know men have multiple name and titles, yet it is the same ONE man? And not everyone calls that man BY the same names or titles.
Ever wonder, if God can do things, men do? And men can do things, God does?
There ARE numerous Scriptures that tell you all about Gods Word, His Name, His Authority, His Works on behalf of Gods Will.
God IS His own God...there is none above Him.
God Sets His own parameters....that God Himself MUST DO according to HIS GOD....and God Himself CAN NOT Do, according to God. For example;
God CAN NOT violate Gods WORD.
God CAN NOT LIE.
God CAN NOT CHANGE.
God CAN NOT break a Promise.
God CAN NOT give all his Power (ie Glory) to an other.
God Bless,
Taken
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Taken
Well-Known Member
Imagine that...:)
I have this same distinctness about >>>ME, MYSELF, and I
Body, soul, spirit...three distinct things...all one me.
But funny HOW LITTLE most men REALLY KNOW about their own BODY....THAT they see, use, bath, fuss over, complain about....every day...
‘Tis of little wonder how LITTLE most men REALLY KNOW about their own soul and spirit....they NEVER have SEEN.
:cool:
Aunty Jane
Well-Known Member
LOL...duly noted.....I just thought since my religious description is apparently open to question by people like yourself, we might just gain an understanding of your denomination’s doctrines so as to give equal scrutiny to your beliefs as well.....but never mind....seems you like to dodge questions for some reason....you also state things in your response for which you have absolutely no biblical proof....all of what you stated in your last sentence.
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