Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?

[Christ4Me]

I will repost my answer again to your question in bold red

It is the "Apostasy" of a once professing Church and the Greek word is "Apostasia"

No "Falling Away" dosent mean the Church is taken to heaven in a pre-trib rapture

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x).

hmm. I think I understand your answer now. I reckon I was thinking you were associating the falling away in connection to that man of sin when he is revealed, but I was wrong.

Thing is, I do not see how that church or any assembly would be around during the time the beast is waging war on the saints to kill them with the words & hunger because believers would not take the mark of the beast to buy & sell; hence the believers are on the run and there can be no sense of assembling together during the great tribulation.

When I see God will judge His House first in 1 Peter 4:17, & I believe it is because of the falling away from the faith, when do you believe that will happen? At the end of the great tribulation when He comes back as the King of kings when He judges the world to establish His millennium kingdom on earth or..?

 

[Behold]

Actually the GWT judgment comes AFTER the Millenium. At that time the nations will be judged according to their works. Those who were righteous...who worked righteousness among the nations...will be greeted by the Lord to inhabit the nations in the eternal kingdom of God. This is NOT a judgment regarding the saints. The saints ARE the brethren of Christ whom the righteous cared for.

Well a few things..

First of all, the born again, the Saints, who lived or are living in the time of the Gentiles, are "One with God" already.

Stepping now into the Grt Trib........as the "time of the gentiles" ends......so does this....>"The Gospel of the Grace of God". "The GIFT of Salvation">
THAT is OVER.

What replaces it? = Faith + works, + enduring to the end.

Why the "enduring"? Because the Anti-Chrsit is going to be chopping heads if you dont take the MARK.

So, for those who believe in Jesus, regarding this "Tribulation Salvation" that is not "the Gift of Salvation" that is only offered= NOW in the "time of the Gentiles"...... you can take the Mark of the Beast, or you can die a Martyr and go to heaven.
Those are your choices.
If you die a Martyr in the Grt Trib, then you will become the same, as if you had been born again now "in the time of the gentiles', by "The GIFT of Salvation".
"Faith is counted as righteousness"
"justification by faith".

 

[Truth7t7]

Thing is, I do not see how that church or any assembly would be around during the time the beast is waging war on the saints to kill them with the words & hunger because believers would not take the mark of the beast to buy & sell; hence the believers are on the run and there can be no sense of assembling together during the great tribulation.

When I see God will judge His House first in 1 Peter 4:17, & I believe it is because of the falling away from the faith, when do you believe that will happen? At the end of the great tribulation when He comes back as the King of kings when He judges the world to establish His millennium kingdom on earth or..?

The Beast waging war on the saints represents the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation chapter 11 and not the Church as many claim

Same (The Beast) making war and overcoming the (Two Witnesses) not the Church on earth as many claim

Revelation 11:7KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Christ4Me]

The Beast waging war on the saints represents the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation chapter 11 and not the Church as many claim

Same (The Beast) making war and overcoming the (Two Witnesses) not the Church on earth as many claim

Revelation 11:7KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Explain the ending of Revelation 18:1-24.

Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

This event of fallen Babylon as announced by the 2nd angel took place between the 1st angel giving the everlasting gospel and the 3rd angel warning every one that the consequence for taking the mark of the best is the lake of fire. Revelation 14:6-13 and that was after the 14,000 virgins was "redeemed" ( raptured ) from the earth to be Christ's personal choir that follows Him around wherever He goes. It would explain in Revelation 18:23 why the voice of the bride & bridegroom was no longer heard in her any more because the Bridegroom had come & gone, leaving behind saints in unrepentant iniquity and former believers too to die.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Their works will follow them into the dust as they will become dust too. So this sounds like an awful lot more than just those 2 witnesses as they cannot be in that fallen Babylon at the beginning of the great tribulation when they will be in Jerusalem.

 

[Timtofly]

I will repost my answer again to your question in bold red

It is the "Apostasy" of a once professing Church and the Greek word is "Apostasia"

No "Falling Away" dosent mean the Church is taken to heaven in a pre-trib rapture

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x).

The falling away has already been exposed as the fruit of Satan.

Do you not see that every Bible based institution of higher learning ever to be started has turned from Scripture and followed after Satan's knowledge? Should not every redeemed soul point out how Satan has ruined education?

That already has happened. Satan is not going to stand in front of the UN assembly and take credit for decieving the whole world.

If Satan announced there literally is a Satan to the whole world, then Satan would have to explain why he thinks God does not exist, and blow his deceptive cover.

Can you explain how much more can Satan be revealed?

 

[Truth7t7]

At the end of the great tribulation when He comes back as the King of kings when He judges the world to establish His millennium kingdom on earth or..?

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

The falling away has already been exposed as the fruit of Satan.

Do you not see that every Bible based institution of higher learning ever to be started has turned from Scripture and followed after Satan's knowledge? Should not every redeemed soul point out how Satan has ruined education?

That already has happened. Satan is not going to stand in front of the UN assembly and take credit for decieving the whole world.

If Satan announced there literally is a Satan to the whole world, then Satan would have to explain why he thinks God does not exist, and blow his deceptive cover.

Can you explain how much more can Satan be revealed?

The False Prophet Hasn't Called Fire Down From Heaven Infront Of The Beast, Nor Has The Command To Make The Image Been Given, Future Events Unfulfilled

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

[Truth7t7]

Explain the ending of Revelation 18:1-24.

Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

This event of fallen Babylon as announced by the 2nd angel took place between the 1st angel giving the everlasting gospel and the 3rd angel warning every one that the consequence for taking the mark of the best is the lake of fire. Revelation 14:6-13 and that was after the 14,000 virgins was "redeemed" ( raptured ) from the earth to be Christ's personal choir that follows Him around wherever He goes. It would explain in Revelation 18:23 why the voice of the bride & bridegroom was no longer heard in her any more because the Bridegroom had come & gone, leaving behind saints in unrepentant iniquity and former believers too to die.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Their works will follow them into the dust as they will become dust too. So this sounds like an awful lot more than just those 2 witnesses as they cannot be in that fallen Babylon at the beginning of the great tribulation when they will be in Jerusalem.

You have been shown my opinion of scripture relating to the saints being overcome, no need to rehash this again and again, We Disagree

The Beast waging war on the saints represents the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation chapter 11 and not the Church as many claim

Same (The Beast) making war and overcoming the (Two Witnesses) not the Church on earth as many claim

Revelation 11:7KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Christ4Me]

There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim

Explain this reference then.

Revelation 20:1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

What happens first before the end comes? The everlasting gospel preached in all the world. Revelation 14:6-7 Then the end comes when that fire consumes one third of the earth ( Revelation 8:7-13 & 2 Peter 3:3-18 ) that Babylon has fallen in at. Revelation 14:8

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

That will happen when Satan is released from the pit after a thousand years of Christ's reign and gets defeated for the last time.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Christ4Me]

You have been shown my opinion of scripture relating to the saints being overcome, no need to rehash this again and again, We Disagree

The Beast waging war on the saints represents the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation chapter 11 and not the Church as many claim

Same (The Beast) making war and overcoming the (Two Witnesses) not the Church on earth as many claim

Revelation 11:7KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Just saying that you claimed the saints as inferring the two prophets as the ones the beast was only waging war on when obviously there are more saints as sealed with the Holy Ghost when the dispensation of the gospel went back to the Jews after the rapture, the 144,000 witnesses for te duration of the great tribulation and not just those 2 prophets.

Revelation 7:1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

 

[Truth7t7]

Explain this reference then.

Revelation 20:1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



What happens first before the end comes? The everlasting gospel preached in all the world. Revelation 14:6-7 Then the end comes when that fire consumes one third of the earth ( Revelation 8:7-13 & 2 Peter 3:3-18 ) that Babylon has fallen in at. Revelation 14:8



That will happen when Satan is released from the pit after a thousand years of Christ's reign and gets defeated for the last time.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

Explain this reference then.

Revelation 20:1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



What happens first before the end comes? The everlasting gospel preached in all the world. Revelation 14:6-7 Then the end comes when that fire consumes one third of the earth ( Revelation 8:7-13 & 2 Peter 3:3-18 ) that Babylon has fallen in at. Revelation 14:8



That will happen when Satan is released from the pit after a thousand years of Christ's reign and gets defeated for the last time.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

There Wont Be A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Christ4Me]

There Wont Be A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

To align the scriptures you have listed, does not negate the event in Revelation 20:1-6. In fact it confirms that Jesus will do this at the end of the great tribulation of making a new heaven and a new earth for His thousand year reign..

 

[Truth7t7]

To align the scriptures you have listed, does not negate the event in Revelation 20:1-6. In fact it confirms that Jesus will do this at the end of the great tribulation of making a new heaven and a new earth for His thousand year reign..

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

To align the scriptures you have listed, does not negate the event in Revelation 20:1-6. In fact it confirms that Jesus will do this at the end of the great tribulation of making a new heaven and a new earth for His thousand year reign..

It Will Be The "Eternal Kingdom" In The New Heaven And Earth, "After" this earth is "Dissolved" by fire

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

This earth will be "Dissolved" by fire

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Christ4Me]

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

I suspect that you are applying scriptures to align with the statement rather than proving or disproving that statement by the scriptures.

I can see that a new heaven and a new earth could very well be after the Great White Throne judgment in Revelation chapter 21 but there is a New Jerusalem on earth for that literal 1000 year reign of Christ BEFORE Satan is released from the pit after that 1000 year reign for how else can the saints have access to the tree of life in that city of God on earth?

I am not settled on when that new heaven and new earth tales place. It could very well be this will happen 2 times; after the great tribulation and after the great white throne judgment or it could just mean there is a new heaven ad a new earth after the great tribulation and when Satan & death & hell is in the lake of fire along with all evil people, is why that the people that enter into New Jerusalem then are the saved no matter what.

Guess we shall wait & see, unless the Lord reveals otherwise to us sooner..

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Actually there wont be a Millennium

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Destroying the world of wicked mankind, not planet earth is what Armageddon is. The scriptures don't say anything about destroying this planet.

 

[GEN2REV]

That is a furphy as Isaiah 24:21-22 clearly indicates that the kings of the earth are judged at the same time as the wicked fallen heavenly hosts and that together they will be imprisoned in a pit for many days awaiting the time of their punishment. In Rev 20:1-3 we are told that Satan is imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years and that after that time the bottomless pit is unlocked and the inhabitants of the Bottomless pit at that time are able to come and go from the Bottomless pit.

When does Satan no longer have a place in heaven? Satan is kicked out of heaven at the time of the Armageddon judgement of the kings of the earth, and Satan and the four winds of heaven, i.e. the four beasts that cause the sea of humanity to manifest their respective dominate characteristic, as the sea of humanity ebbs and flows in and out of the influence of the four winds/beasts before they are imprisoned in the Bottomless pit with Satan. The four Beast's judgement of Daniel 7:11-12 and the judgement of the Kings of the earth in Isaiah 24:21-22 both happen at the same time and as soon as Satan and the Beasts and the Little horn land on the face of the earth, they are imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years as we are told in Rev. 20:1-3.

I think it is also time to back out or this thread as the furphy meter has been wound around so many times that the truth can no longer be found.

Shalom

PS: - As per the Book of Hebrews, Christ becomes our "New" high priest when He is given dominion over the peoples of the whole earth such that they should worship Christ. The Rev 20:6 verse tells us that the saints of the first resurrection will serve with Christ as Priests within the heavenly realm during the period that Satan remains imprisoned for 1,000 years.

Satan has already begun deceiving the nations against True Christians. We know for certain that the land promises to Israel were ALL fulfilled long, long ago.

Joshua 21:43-45
Joshua 23:14-15

Christ already has all power and authority and will turn it all over to the Father when He returns. There is no 2nd Resurrection. Good luck finding it in scripture anywhere. The words Second Resurrection do not exist.

1 Corinthians 15:22-26

Pre-Mill. is a total farce. So are its cousins Pre-Trib rapture and 7th Day (Millennium) Sabbath. All easily proven false with solid, plain scripture.

 

[GEN2REV]

A lot of saved believers will be left behind when the Bridegroom comes because they were not ready as found abiding in Him & His words. That is why Jesus is warning believers, even His disciples to be ready or else in Luke 12:40-49 Jesus is even warning churches in Revelation where in one they needed to repent or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation to be killed with death in according to their works Revelation 2:18-25

So the rapture is about Jesus warning believers to be found abiding in Him at all times because He will come like a thief in the night.

No.

 

[GEN2REV]

It is not for the great white throne but for entrance into the millenial kingdom on earth! Saved people already have eternal life! We just start enjoying the "physical" aspectso f it so to speak in the millenial kingdom.

There's no Millennial kingdom on the earth, Ron. Scripture 100% does not support that. You are putting 7 verses in a completely symbolic, visionary, spiritual book up against all the rest of the chapters of the same book, as well as the other 65 books of scripture.

There's no competition. Every single aspect of Pre-Mill. is completely, and crystal clearly, denied by scripture outside, and inside, of Revelation.

Face it.

Land promises to Israel? Done. Completed.
Joshua 21:43-45
Joshua 23: 14-15

Jesus NOW King and turning over His rule to the Father at His return on the Last Day with ONE resurrection? Fully described in scripture? Covered.

1 Corinthians 15:22-26
John 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24; 12:48

Pre-Mill. has NO LEG to stand upon. It will never happen. And it makes ZERO sense in light of the weight of scripture as a whole.