Is The Sheep/Goat Judgement Used, To Enter A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth?

[Truth7t7]

So glad you made this thread. I've been studying this out lately and have really been wanting to clear up this 1,000 year Millennium reign nonsense.

Yes, Rev. 20:1-6 states that there will be a 1,000 year reign of Christ and it is the ONLY snippet of this event ANYWHERE in the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation. There is not a SINGLE verse, anywhere within that very book of Revelation, nor anywhere else in all of scripture, that echoes the details of this event or confirms it in ANY way whatsoever.

The most important doctrines in the Bible are mentioned multiple times, in multiple ways, by multiple authors.

Bottom line. This event described in Rev. 20 is 100% non-literal, symbolic vision while "in the spirit." There is absolutely ZERO scripture outside of Revelation that confirms a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ after the Second Advent, or at any time for that matter. AND Revelation itself contradicts this event multiple times and ways throughout the book.

From KJV intro to Revelation: "...Revelation centers around vision and symbols..." (Read: NOT LITERAL)

I look forward to the evolving discussion - knowing MANY will 100% deaf-ear all the undeniable facts from scripture that utterly refute this man-made false doctrine. And why are they so adamant? Because it is their battle cry that allows them to deny some of the most important events in scripture while setting a foundation for other events that just aren't true at all.

Here's the first wave of facts that DENY this nonsense doctrine. (They will need to be repeated many times throughout this thread.)

1. Nowhere in any of the apocalyptic passages of scripture (Thessalonians, Matthew, Isaiah, etc.) is there any confirmation of a 1,000 year period of time that will come.
2. Revelation 6 details events that would not allow the earth to be happily inhabited for a millennium afterward.
3. Revelation 10 speaks of time coming to a close.
4. Revelation 19 details the wiping out of the beast and false prophet and the remainder of sinners from off the earth.

This is not the entirety of the issues with Rev. 20, but it's a start. Each one of these points is enough to negate the Millennial Reign time period as a legitimate doctrine to believe in and/or teach.

Thanks for the reply!

A Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a major part of Satans plan, in seating the (man of sin/the beast/the antichrist) in Jerusalem

Many that follow and teach Millennialism have a literal, physical, Jesus returning to earth and taking a throne of David in Jerusalem to rule in their Millennial Kingdom on this earth

Yes this will be the false walk on christ, the (man of sin/the beast/ the antichrist) with this teaching paving his way, preparing minds and hearts for a physical walk on Messiah to return "Beware"!

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[GEN2REV]

There are 2 resurrections. Any other teaching has NO biblical support.

You seem pretty sure about that.

Ironically, there is no biblical support whatsoever for a 2nd Resurrection.

The Bible mentions the "First Resurrection" and the "Second Death", but there is no mention anywhere in scripture of a "Second Resurrection."

How do you know there aren't 3? or 4?

 

[GISMYS_7]

Yes!! Satan loves to try to ignore parts of the inspired scripture too====Revelation 20:6 “Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death [lake of fire] has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for """a thousand years.”""

Isaiah: The Messiah’s Millennial Reign.


6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den. 9 They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)

 

[Truth7t7]

You seem pretty sure about that.

Ironically, there is no biblical support whatsoever for a 2nd Resurrection.

The Bible mentions the "First Resurrection" and the "Second Death", but there is no mention anywhere in scripture of a "Second Resurrection."

How do you know there aren't 3? or 4?

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life
2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Who wants to not be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds on rapture day??

 

[GEN2REV]

Yes!! Satan loves to try to ignore parts of the inspired scripture too====Revelation 20:6 “Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death [lake of fire] has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for """a thousand years.”""

Isaiah: The Messiah’s Millennial Reign.


6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den. 9 They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)

Just because you give it a title and embolden it and give it a size 7 font, doesn't make it true.

Couple huge problems with your end-all, be-all passage to prove the Millennial Reign there.

There's no mention whatsoever of a 1,000 year period of time and it mentions islands in verse 11.

See, Revelation 6:13-14 tells us the earth, specifically the mountains and the islands, will not be habitable anymore. It describes the entire earth, even the stars, completely falling apart and being destroyed.

Nice try.

 

[GEN2REV]

Who wants to not be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds on rapture day??

You mean on the Day of the Lord, the Wrath of the Lamb/God, day?

The Post-Tribulation Rapture that accompanies Jesus' one and only return?

That day?

 

[Truth7t7]

Who wants to not be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds on rapture day??

"I plan on it if alive", and it will take place immediately after the tribulation, when Jesus returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

 

[Episkopos]

You seem pretty sure about that.

Ironically, there is no biblical support whatsoever for a 2nd Resurrection.

The Bible mentions the "First Resurrection" and the "Second Death", but there is no mention anywhere in scripture of a "Second Resurrection."

How do you know there aren't 3? or 4?

Reading skills mainly...when the bible says ...the rest of the dead lived not again till AFTER the 1,000 years were finished.. (REv. 20:5)..and then says that the dead are judged according to the book of life....that is another judgment. Simple math skills make that two resurrections.

Whoever is not written in the book of life in the second resurrection is cast into the lake of fire...this is the second death.

Now if someone lacks reading skills or math skills...then there is no use posting about biblical things that require both of these skills.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes!! Satan loves to try to ignore parts of the inspired scripture too====Revelation 20:6 “Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death [lake of fire] has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for """a thousand years.”""

Isaiah: The Messiah’s Millennial Reign.


6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den. 9 They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.” (Isaiah 11:6-9)

Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Very Same Place, The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

Same Wolf & Lamb Together, And Lion Eating Straw Like The Bullock/Ox, In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 11:6-7KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

 

[Truth7t7]

Reading skills mainly...when the bible says ...the rest of the dead lived not again till AFTER the 1,000 years were finished.. (REv. 20:5)..and then says that the dead are judged according to the book of life....that is another judgment. Simple math skills make that two resurrections.

Whoever is not written in the book of life in the second resurrection is cast into the lake of fire...this is the second death.

Now if someone lacks reading skills or math skills...then there is no use posting about biblical things that require both of these skills.

The "Second Death" is the resurrection of the wicked, as "All" are resurrected on the last day as post #24 above clearly teaches

 

[GEN2REV]

Reading skills mainly...when the bible says ...the rest of the dead lived not again till AFTER the 1,000 years were finished.. (REv. 20:5)..and then says that the dead are judged according to the book of life....that is another judgment. Simple math skills make that two resurrections.

Whoever is not written in the book of life in the second resurrection is cast into the lake of fire...this is the second death.

Now if someone lacks reading skills or math skills...then there is no use posting about biblical things that require both of these skills.

Sounds like reading skills may actually be your problem since the words "THE SECOND RESURRECTION" do not exist anywhere there and since you can't produce a single verse of scripture outside of Revelation 20:1-6 to support your 'assumption', your case is about as sound as a sieve.

Revelation is a book of visions, symbols and non-literal, spiritual events. See post #20 for reference.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sounds like reading skills may actually be your problem since the words "THE SECOND RESURRECTION" do not exist anywhere there and since you can't produce a single verse of scripture outside of Revelation 20:1-6 to support your 'assumption', your case is about as sound as a sieve.

Revelation is a book of visions, symbols and non-literal, spiritual events. See post #20 for reference.

The Revelation is full of literal events also, unless you follow the Preterist school in eschatology?

I believe in a literal future man as the beast Revelation 13, literal prophets returned (Two Witnesses) bringing literal plagues, upon this literal world Revelation 11

I believe a literal return of Jesus is seen, with literal fire in destruction upon this earth Revelation 20:9

 

[GEN2REV]

Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Very Same Place, The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

Same Wolf & Lamb Together, And Lion Eating Straw Like The Bullock/Ox, In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 11:6-7KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Bingo.

It is also made clear by Revelation 20:4 referring to John seeing thrones.

The multiple statements by him that he was "in the spirit" are keys to understanding chapter 20; Rev. 4:1-2 says "a door was opened IN HEAVEN". Daniel 7:9-11 has very similar wording about seeing thrones that reveal this event in Rev. 20 to be taking place in a 'heavenly locale' and all of the scripture that describes the Wrath of God, as well as the return of Jesus in Matt. 24:29-31 makes clear the earth will be destroyed prior to anything described in Rev. 20.

Those who study scripture honestly, discover these truths easily and are baffled by all of the support for a Millennial time period. It is an agenda that is pushed hard by all the False Prophets and those who tow their party line.

 

[GEN2REV]

The Revelation is full of literal events also, unless you follow the Preterist school in eschatology?

I believe in a literal future man as the beast Revelation 13, literal prophets returned (Two Witnesses) bringing literal plagues, upon this literal world Revelation 11

I believe a literal return of Jesus is seen, with literal fire in destruction upon this earth Revelation 20:9

Yes, but all of those things are supported by scripture outside of Revelation. See, that's the catch.

No, I'm definitely not preterist. Jesus has not returned yet and the Great Trib is beginning now or yet to come.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, but all of those things are supported by scripture outside of Revelation. See, that's the catch.

No, I'm definitely not preterist. Jesus has not returned yet and the Great Trib is beginning now or yet to come.

Were on the same page, good to know!

I see Revelation 20:1-6 taking place now in the Lords spiritual realm, with Revelation 20:7-9 taking place at the close of the tribulation as the nations are gathered to Israel, ending in the second coming in fire from heaven

 

[Christ4Me]

Matthew 25:31-46 is nothing more than a "Parable" to "Herdsmen" using sheep/goats in explanation of the Great White Throne judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15

Yes Matthew 25:46 clearly shows this "final judgement", eternal life, eternal punishment, (The End) with no Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as many claim

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

How is it that you skipped over the previous verses in Revelation 20:1-10 which is about that 1000 year reign before the final judgment?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

How is it that you skipped over the previous verses in Revelation 20:1-10 which is about that 1000 year reign before the final judgment?

Oh don’t be so picky. It was such a tiny hop, skip and a jump!

 

[GEN2REV]

Were on the same page, good to know!

I see Revelation 20:1-6 taking place now in the Lords spiritual realm, with Revelation 20:7-9 taking place at the close of the tribulation as the nations are gathered to Israel, ending in the second coming in fire from heaven

I actually haven't decided when I believe Rev. 20:1-6 takes place, but I'm convinced by scripture that it's in the spirit realm, or in the New Heaven and New Earth, which may actually be in the spirit realm.

 

[GISMYS_7]

The rapture IS pre-trib.==
1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Jesus said we should watch and pray to be counted worth to escape the soon coming evil times. “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:36===Pre-trib rapture!!!PTL.