Defining Proper Language

[soul man]

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

Defining proper language:

The language of believer's should be as bold as Paul. Our witness of Christianity, and being a Christian should be as bold as Paul. The boldness of Paul was he pulled no punches, he didn't beat around the bushes ..so to say.

-- Paul said it plainly and boldly "Christ," lived in him. And to those that hear him - he said Christ is the only life of the believer! He proclaimed his gospel was given to him by Jesus Christ to give to us - the born again. Now the only other person that I know that said that is Joseph Smith - he started Mormonism. He claims he had a vision or talk, and the Mormon religion came from that. That sounds so far fetched and is but people believe it and we question it to the imp degree.

But with Paul we do not question it ..when we should. If we believe Paul then we should question what he says! Prove Paul like we prove all scripture. Don't let him say things and not back up what he says in scripture as his gospel. That should be proved or disapproved..but it is imperative for Christians to prove it or not!

It would sound funny to say to everyone you walk up to and give a witness - Christ lives in me. People already think you are a crazy Christian. Wait until you tell them Christ lives in you.. and then tell them "wait until you see my father." But that is the language that needs to be used because it identifies what a Christian is. It gives proper identity to Christianity. Everyone can say I'm a Christian or I'm born again. I want to hear the born again politician say " Christ liveth in me, and the life I live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God." Anyone for that matter. Define what you mean by your religious views. Words are cheap, and proper defining language is fitting. You don't have to worry it won't happen. I'm sure Paul used wisdom in the deliverance of his message.

Paul was very pointed, and bold to tell those that would listen - Christ lived in him. There was no theorizing ..and giving 5 finer points on what he believed ..and how he had a vision of the end time..and now he knows who the antichrist is - no! No he spoke a different language. Scripture says Jesus did not speak like other men! Paul was not ashamed of Christ in him. And we see nothing different about Paul being used by God to give the born again their message and language.

We cannot see; if you cannot see how God choose Paul for the eclectic event of bringing in a message to this new creation people..the blinders are still on!

The days of "the Lydia heart" and passion for Christ life knowledge.. seems to have waned. We stay open to the Spirit to hear what it is He would say to the church. A closed heart cannot receive the things of God ..not the deep things of God that must be revealed. I will reject the things of God based on what I believe. Like what I believe is going to resolve the world's trouble. Not yielding to the Holy Spirit brings trouble - the schoolhouse is an ever present help and reminder of that, Gal. 2:1-2.

Have you ever been brought down where nothing mattered - not what you believe..not your faith..not the flesh..not the world..not the devil. If you did not get some relief, and something doesn't happen, you feel you are not going to make it, so nothing mattered. That is the schoolhouse that must work in a life to bring born again believers to see what it is their father wants in His timing as scripture says! Galatians 2:1-2.

 

[Wrangler]

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

Defining proper language:

Putting aside your Middle English reference as a standard for proper English, it seems to me that "Christ lives in me" is metaphorical. For some reason, you seem to assert that speaking boldly is proper English. Is that your intent?

 

[soul man]

Putting aside your Middle English reference as a standard for proper English, it seems to me that "Christ lives in me" is metaphorical. For some reason, you seem to assert that speaking boldly is proper English. Is that your intent?

Language I thought it read!

 

[Pearl]

When speaking to unbelievers about our faith in Jesus we need to speak in words they can understand and not use what I've heard called 'Christianese' and we are to do it gently and with respect:
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

 

[Wrangler]

Language I thought it read!

That's what I meant. Is it your intent that speaking boldly is proper use of language?

 

[soul man]

it seems to me that "Christ lives in me" is metaphorical

You wonder about language? What about Paul saying Christ lives in him sounds metaphorical? I'm interested in how people can come up with metaphorical language, out of what seems to me.. to read clear and simple. I'm curious, not being a smarty - what makes you see it that way? Is that also how you see the scriptures? If you don't mind me asking.

 

[farouk]

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

Defining proper language:

The language of believer's should be as bold as Paul. Our witness of Christianity, and being a Christian should be as bold as Paul. The boldness of Paul was he pulled no punches, he didn't beat around the bushes ..so to say.

-- Paul said it plainly and boldly "Christ," lived in him. And to those that hear him - he said Christ is the only life of the believer! He proclaimed his gospel was given to him by Jesus Christ to give to us - the born again. Now the only other person that I know that said that is Joseph Smith - he started Mormonism. He claims he had a vision or talk, and the Mormon religion came from that. That sounds so far fetched and is but people believe it and we question it to the imp degree.

But with Paul we do not question it ..when we should. If we believe Paul then we should question what he says! Prove Paul like we prove all scripture. Don't let him say things and not back up what he says in scripture as his gospel. That should be proved or disapproved..but it is imperative for Christians to prove it or not!

It would sound funny to say to everyone you walk up to and give a witness - Christ lives in me. People already think you are a crazy Christian. Wait until you tell them Christ lives in you.. and then tell them "wait until you see my father." But that is the language that needs to be used because it identifies what a Christian is. It gives proper identity to Christianity. Everyone can say I'm a Christian or I'm born again. I want to hear the born again politician say " Christ liveth in me, and the life I live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God." Anyone for that matter. Define what you mean by your religious views. Words are cheap, and proper defining language is fitting. You don't have to worry it won't happen. I'm sure Paul used wisdom in the deliverance of his message.

Paul was very pointed, and bold to tell those that would listen - Christ lived in him. There was no theorizing ..and giving 5 finer points on what he believed ..and how he had a vision of the end time..and now he knows who the antichrist is - no! No he spoke a different language. Scripture says Jesus did not speak like other men! Paul was not ashamed of Christ in him. And we see nothing different about Paul being used by God to give the born again their message and language.

We cannot see; if you cannot see how God choose Paul for the eclectic event of bringing in a message to this new creation people..the blinders are still on!

The days of "the Lydia heart" and passion for Christ life knowledge.. seems to have waned. We stay open to the Spirit to hear what it is He would say to the church. A closed heart cannot receive the things of God ..not the deep things of God that must be revealed. I will reject the things of God based on what I believe. Like what I believe is going to resolve the world's trouble. Not yielding to the Holy Spirit brings trouble - the schoolhouse is an ever present help and reminder of that, Gal. 2:1-2.

Have you ever been brought down where nothing mattered - not what you believe..not your faith..not the flesh..not the world..not the devil. If you did not get some relief, and something doesn't happen, you feel you are not going to make it, so nothing mattered. That is the schoolhouse that must work in a life to bring born again believers to see what it is their father wants in His timing as scripture says! Galatians 2:1-2.

@soul man I love that verse about Lydia in Acts....

I think you said something a while ago about doing things boldly; (I'll look it up....)

 

[Cassandra]

I always thought boldly the way Paul meant it was that he had full confidence in Christ and the message he was to give. Not that he would go bang someone over the head with what he said, but that he fully believed it, and could preach it with confidence.

Just like

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" Heb 4:16

We know that if we have sinned and are truly sorry, that we have full confidence that He will forgive us. We have a direct path to Christ.

 

[farouk]

I always thought boldly the way Paul meant it was that he had full confidence in Christ and the message he was to give. Not that he would go bang someone over the head with what he said, but that he fully believed it, and could preach it with confidence.

Just like

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" Heb 4:16

We know that if we have sinned and are truly sorry, that we have full confidence that He will forgive us. We have a direct path to Christ.

@Cassandra This is a great verse there in Hebrews 4.16... :)

 

[farouk]

@soul man Here it is:

Tattooing in our day is big, if you need or want a tattoo, that is what you should have written in the biggest boldest lettering you can get. Stare at it daily, study it daily, it never gets old.

It's about having it done in a big, bold way in testimony...

 

[farouk]

When speaking to unbelievers about our faith in Jesus we need to speak in words they can understand and not use what I've heard called 'Christianese' and we are to do it gently and with respect:
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

Good verse there, @Pearl ...

 

[soul man]

@soul man I love that verse about Lydia in Acts....

I think you said something a while ago about doing things boldly; (I'll look it up....)

Yes great verse isn't it!

 

[farouk]

Yes great verse isn't it!

@soul man Shows how healthy it is to wait upon the Lord to work by His Word and His Spirit, rather than to try to use methods of human manufacture....

 

[ScottA]

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20.

Defining proper language:

The language of believer's should be as bold as Paul. Our witness of Christianity, and being a Christian should be as bold as Paul. The boldness of Paul was he pulled no punches, he didn't beat around the bushes ..so to say.

-- Paul said it plainly and boldly "Christ," lived in him. And to those that hear him - he said Christ is the only life of the believer! He proclaimed his gospel was given to him by Jesus Christ to give to us - the born again. Now the only other person that I know that said that is Joseph Smith - he started Mormonism. He claims he had a vision or talk, and the Mormon religion came from that. That sounds so far fetched and is but people believe it and we question it to the imp degree.

But with Paul we do not question it ..when we should. If we believe Paul then we should question what he says! Prove Paul like we prove all scripture. Don't let him say things and not back up what he says in scripture as his gospel. That should be proved or disapproved..but it is imperative for Christians to prove it or not!

It would sound funny to say to everyone you walk up to and give a witness - Christ lives in me. People already think you are a crazy Christian. Wait until you tell them Christ lives in you.. and then tell them "wait until you see my father." But that is the language that needs to be used because it identifies what a Christian is. It gives proper identity to Christianity. Everyone can say I'm a Christian or I'm born again. I want to hear the born again politician say " Christ liveth in me, and the life I live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God." Anyone for that matter. Define what you mean by your religious views. Words are cheap, and proper defining language is fitting. You don't have to worry it won't happen. I'm sure Paul used wisdom in the deliverance of his message.

Paul was very pointed, and bold to tell those that would listen - Christ lived in him. There was no theorizing ..and giving 5 finer points on what he believed ..and how he had a vision of the end time..and now he knows who the antichrist is - no! No he spoke a different language. Scripture says Jesus did not speak like other men! Paul was not ashamed of Christ in him. And we see nothing different about Paul being used by God to give the born again their message and language.

We cannot see; if you cannot see how God choose Paul for the eclectic event of bringing in a message to this new creation people..the blinders are still on!

The days of "the Lydia heart" and passion for Christ life knowledge.. seems to have waned. We stay open to the Spirit to hear what it is He would say to the church. A closed heart cannot receive the things of God ..not the deep things of God that must be revealed. I will reject the things of God based on what I believe. Like what I believe is going to resolve the world's trouble. Not yielding to the Holy Spirit brings trouble - the schoolhouse is an ever present help and reminder of that, Gal. 2:1-2.

Have you ever been brought down where nothing mattered - not what you believe..not your faith..not the flesh..not the world..not the devil. If you did not get some relief, and something doesn't happen, you feel you are not going to make it, so nothing mattered. That is the schoolhouse that must work in a life to bring born again believers to see what it is their father wants in His timing as scripture says! Galatians 2:1-2.

Indeed, we live in an age of sheep living quiet lives...and there is something good and okay about that. But there is also something dark about it, something that is covering the Light of life in us that was never meant to be hidden.

As for me, I have had many conversations with God of why I am a quiet man, why He made me this way...and then gave me a testimony no less than that of Paul's road to Damascus conversion. And then I read of the type of blindness placed upon His chosen people, for our sake. That we and these many generations might have our times of quietly suffering and coming to know God amongst the hush of meekness and the whispers. Surely, if they had shouted from the roof tops a thousand years ago, we would not have even been born. But God would have heard from heaven and put an end to suffering-- even an end to the age.

So, then, that is the measure and the sign of the end, that young men will have dreams and old men visions-- and shout, as before the walls of Jericho. Such is the awesome day of the Lord.

Amen.

 

[soul man]

Indeed, we live in an age of sheep living quiet lives...and there is something good and okay about that. But there is also something dark about it, something that is covering the Light of life in us that was never meant to be hidden.

As for me, I have had many conversations with God of why I am a quiet man, why He made me this way...and then gave me a testimony no less than that of Paul's road to Damascus conversion. And then I read of the type of blindness placed upon His chosen people, for our sake. That we and these many generations might have our times of quietly suffering and coming to know God amongst the hush of meekness and the whispers. Surely, if they had shouted from the roof tops a thousand years ago, we would not have even been born. But God would have heard from heaven and put an end to suffering-- even an end to the age.

So, then, that is the measure and the sign of the end, that young men will have dreams and old men visions-- and shout, as before the walls of Jericho. Such is the awesome day of the Lord.

Amen.

That is a good way to look at it because we are all different. Some quite and some more boisterous. Paul put Christ as his life as the foundation of Christianity. And his bold deliverance of Christ in the believer, he had a way of speaking that is not matched in scripture (other than Jesus). So the language would be in deliverance the words he uses, as well as never mixing his words. The message of grace he received from Jesus Christ, was never mixed with law. That is a hard message to understand because we want believers to do something to be who they are! Contradicts Paul's gospel he preached to the born again. So the language (words - revelation - or however we want to look at it) he used in proclaiming his gospel is different from any other in scripture.

 

[soul man]

You do not have to be loud to be bold in the ministry of Christ in you. It is to step out in what makes a Christian, how they become a Christian, and what Christianity is in the world. It is not another religion, with some kind of a cheap message that does not matter in this world, and life. It is 'life,' it is Christ in you life.. and in that life for you to speak, or talk about who you are will take boldness. Paul would say "it is Christ," he was true to the message of Christ as life. Determined to know nothing but Christ and him crucified - by that death life has come to ever believer.. if they see it or not. Glory!

 

[Wrangler]

You wonder about language? What about Paul saying Christ lives in him sounds metaphorical? I'm interested in how people can come up with metaphorical language, out of what seems to me.. to read clear and simple. I'm curious, not being a smarty - what makes you see it that way? Is that also how you see the scriptures? If you don't mind me asking.

What makes me see it that way? People don't live through others, period. It is figurative language.

There is not some kind of biological process by which one lives for themselves while others live for others. It is a way of saying the ideals, say of motherhood, make the mother live for the child. Or in this case, the ideals of following Christ.

 

[soul man]

What makes me see it that way? People don't live through others, period. It is figurative language.

There is not some kind of biological process by which one lives for themselves while others live for others. It is a way of saying the ideals, say of motherhood, make the mother live for the child. Or in this case, the ideals of following Christ.

Fair enough. How do you take your salvation if I can ask. When it is explained as the person of Christ in the believer as their salvation. I have a few questions out of curiosity - I'm always intrigued by what others believe. How do you see the cross?

 

[Wrangler]

How do you take your salvation if I can ask. ... How do you see the cross?

Big questions. I don't understand your question about my salvation. Please clarify.

Regarding how I see the cross; I see it as a test of ones humility. If one cannot accept the (sacrificial) work of Jesus is why we are saved - as opposed to our own work, we fail the test.

 

[soul man]

Big questions. I don't understand your question about my salvation. Please clarify.

Regarding how I see the cross; I see it as a test of ones humility. If one cannot accept the (sacrificial) work of Jesus is why we are saved - as opposed to our own work, we fail the test.

Just asking how you viewed salvation from the cross. Thanks for commenting.