Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[amigo de christo]

Christianity is a religion of morals and those that that preached the Gospel lived moral lives.


Christianity is NOT a Religion—- Religion says “ DO!” ......Christianity says , “ DONE”...... you just don't get it.....

Here’s another thing you don't get—- Hell will be Full Of “Moral” people.....being Moral is great....it just won’t save you.....to get to Heaven you have to go light- years beyond being “ moral”..... you have to be Perfect! Simply REST in Paul’s Gospel and God will IMPUTE you with His Perfection....that’s what the Disciples had....their Faith got them the Holy Spirit and that Spirit was responsible for any “ goodness” in their lives.....”Without Me, you can do NOTHING!” Morality is better than IMmorality, but it wont get you to Heaven.....possessing the Spirit that “Drives” Morality is what Saves...

JESUS said TO DO . CHRIST said to DO . FOLKS are forgetting the one true comission .
JESUS said go ye into all the world baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost
TEACHING THEM TO DO ALL THINGS I have taught you . JESUS said a man who hears and dont DO has no foundation .
BB, its like you got this one part down right , but then you go and blow it all by saying some of the things you say .
Paul said if a man DOES NOT provide for his own , HE has denied THE FAITH .
We must stir one another up unto good works and remind to flee all appearance of evil . IF IT WAS GOOD IN THE ERA OF THE EARLY CHURCH
THEN BANK ON IT NOW . LET us keep the same pattern they began . WE must BB .

 

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If Jesus ever asks me why I should enter Heaven, I will not utter a word.....

I read things like this from time to time. It's really nothing like what I'm thinking.

For me, it's more like, I'm on the phone to my Father, as I'm in a car approaching home. At some point, I arrive, and I'm putting away my phone as the front door opens, and I'm with my Dad.

That's how I'm thinking death is going to be. Maybe I'm right, maybe not. But that's what I'm counting on. That the One I know on this side of the vail will be there to meet me in person on that side.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

It's truth, not untruth, that sets us free.

Should we teach the new believer that they must fight their sin so they don't lose their salvation? That they have to now prove to God they really are saved? That they have to serve this "new law"? And in so doing cause them to fall from grace?

Shouldn't we rather teach them to cast ALL their cares on Him, since He cares for us?

Much love!

Actually we need to teach the new believer , EVERYTHING the apostles wrote . Not just some things , EVERYTHING .
And be sure and make it a massive point to say , YE SAVED SOLEY BY GRACE , by FAITH IN ONE NAME and ONLY ONE NAME
and that NAME IS JESUS CHRIST . AND one more thing , make sure we are pointing them to the BIBLCIAL VERSION OF SAID JESUS
or we are FAILING THEM . Cause even in pauls days there were folks brining another jesus , And most folks just put up with it .
Guess they were all about hugging and getting along and not about doctrine . Just as it is today and much worse today .
IF we are pointing men to another jesus then we are pointing them , TO SATAN HIMSELF . ITS THAT SERIOUS and its that deadly .
Let us be refreshed in the pages of that bible and cling to the SPIRIT , CLING TO CHRIST and learn HIM WELL .

 

[amigo de christo]

I read things like this from time to time. It's really nothing like what I'm thinking.

For me, it's more like, I'm on the phone to my Father, as I'm in a car approaching home. At some point, I arrive, and I'm putting away my phone as the front door opens, and I'm with my Dad.

That's how I'm thinking death is going to be. Maybe I'm right, maybe not. But that's what I'm counting on. That the One I know on this side of the vail will be there to meet me in person on that side.

Much love!

One thing i know for sure and for certain . And you and all that draws breath can take this to the celestial bank .
THE ONLY WAY THIS MAN IS ENTERING HEAVEN , IS BY JESUS CHRIST . ITS EITHER JESUS , OR HELLFIRE FOR THIS MAN .
And that is a DIRE FACT . PEROID . I SHUN the all inclusive pope francis led lie to HELL FIRE . AND I SHALL NOT FAIL to
warn against it .

 

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You've heard it argued many times. Just not in a way that is agreeable to you. I'm assuming you're not lying; just misspeaking.

I know these arguments, and I wouldn't use the word agreeable in reference to my remaining unconvinced by them.

I won't mind looking at these again. There are wonderful truths to be known.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I read things like this from time to time. It's really nothing like what I'm thinking.

For me, it's more like, I'm on the phone to my Father, as I'm in a car approaching home. At some point, I arrive, and I'm putting away my phone as the front door opens, and I'm with my Dad.

That's how I'm thinking death is going to be. Maybe I'm right, maybe not. But that's what I'm counting on. That the One I know on this side of the vail will be there to meet me in person on that side.

Much love!

Jesus wont ask us why we should enter into heaven . But if HE DID , the only answer i can find is this , CAUSE YOU DIED FOR ME .
Cause that alone is the only reason anyone will enter heaven . BUT one must BELEIVE THAT . If not they gonna see the lake of fire .
FAITH IN JESUS SAVES , faith in men and popes and many protestants , wont save . TOO many are deceiving us these days my friend .
The absolute only one i can trust in , IS JESUS . NOW CASH THAT IN at the CELESTIAL BANK . THAT DEPOSIT IS GOOD .

 

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Security is eternal only for those whose faith is eternally fixed on Jesus, and whose life is connected to the one who is our life. Obviously, we can choose to be lost no matter how saved we once were. Everything depends on maintaining the divine connection with the true vine.

Amen!

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

Galatians 2:16 KJV
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

What does this mean to you that having believed IN Jesus, we are justified by the faith OF Jesus? Whose faith is this that justified us?

Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Not I, but Christ lives in me. I live by His faith - the faith of the Son of God. Faith that comes from Jesus (Genetive Case), or is possessed by Jesus, the meaning of the Genetive Case.

How would we go about choosing to be "lost"?

If being saved is to be recreated a new being, that is joined to God Himself, and whose life is supplied by Christ Himself, if being reborn was something done by God, how exactly do we undo all that?

Maintaining the divine connection . . . staying righteous? Being sanctified? Is this what you are thinking?

1 Corinthians 1:23-31 KJV
23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24) But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25) Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Christ crucified. That no flesh should glory in His presence. All of these are found in Christ alone.

John 10:27-30 KJV
27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30) I and my Father are one.

He won't let us go.

Much love!

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

You mean the delusion that Christianity is about sin and sin some more? The delusion that Christ will condone your sins on Judgment Day? The delusion that Christ and the Apostles lived or would condone sinful lifestyles?

Can you do nothing more than create a straw man argument then pontificate against it?

Its bad enough that you are fundamentally and fatally defective on almost every point you make but do you need to compound it with a false argument too?

 

[Grailhunter]

Should we teach the new believer that they must fight their sin so they don't lose their salvation? That they have to now prove to God they really are saved? That they have to serve this "new law"? And in so doing cause them to fall from grace?

Shouldn't we rather teach them to cast ALL their cares on Him, since He cares for us?

What you are proposing is twisting of the truth and false beliefs. You cannot lose your salvation...but you can go to hell. Being good and doing good does not save you or keep you saved. No one suggest that but you and your kind. But what is the alternative? That the outward expression and character of the followers of Christ are the scum of the earth....and will be rewarded with heaven. Do you think that is what God wants? Do you think that this is what the Bible is about? How sad! Do you think that is why Christ was crucified ....to fill heaven and earth with evil?

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen!

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

Galatians 2:16 KJV
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

What does this mean to you that having believed IN Jesus, we are justified by the faith OF Jesus? Whose faith is this that justified us?

Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Not I, but Christ lives in me. I live by His faith - the faith of the Son of God. Faith that comes from Jesus (Genetive Case), or is possessed by Jesus, the meaning of the Genetive Case.

How would we go about choosing to be "lost"?

If being saved is to be recreated a new being, that is joined to God Himself, and whose life is supplied by Christ Himself, if being reborn was something done by God, how exactly do we undo all that?

Maintaining the divine connection . . . staying righteous? Being sanctified? Is this what you are thinking?

1 Corinthians 1:23-31 KJV
23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24) But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25) Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Christ crucified. That no flesh should glory in His presence. All of these are found in Christ alone.

John 10:27-30 KJV
27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30) I and my Father are one.

He won't let us go.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

What you are proposing is twisting of the truth and false beliefs. You cannot lose your salvation...but you can go to hell. Being good and doing good does not save you or keep you saved. No one suggest that but you and your kind. But what is the alternative? That the outward expression and character of the followers of Christ are the scum of the earth....and will be rewarded with heaven. Do you think that is what God wants? Do you think that this is what the Bible is about? How sad! Do you think that is why Christ was crucified ....to fill heaven and earth with evil?

Grail hunter , i am gonna give you a simple saying and lets see if you agree with this .
Many often say I love Christ , i love the bible , yet when a man brings the Christ of that bible and the doctrine of that bible
the same ones say , ALAS WE HAVE US A HATER or one that is lost .
Have you ever noticed this one my friend . I often see folks saying they love the bible , that they are biblical
that they do love JESUS , and yet when folks bring HIS reminders , or the reminders of the apostels , THEY ATTACK .
Its just the way it is for many my friend . But always remember a true lambs LOVE ALL TRUTH , not just twisted sections
BUT ALL TRUTH in that bible .

 

[Grailhunter]

Can you do nothing more than create a straw man argument then pontificate against it?

Its bad enough that you are fundamentally and fatally defective on almost every point you make but do you need to compound it with a false argument too?

There is no straw man here...just the reality of putting OSAS in motion and the evil it preaches and the evil it produces...
Does the truth hurt? You stand against Christ's morality...so the Bible is just toilet paper to you.
Quoiting the Bible to you is like showing a cross to a vampire.....OH NO! NOT THE WORD OF GOD! ANYTHING BUT THAT!
YOU LEGALISTS ARE ALL MEAN!

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

There is no straw man here...just the reality of putting OSAS in motion and the evil it preaches and the evil it produces...
Does the truth hurt? You stand against Christ's morality...so the Bible is just toilet paper to you.
Quoiting the Bible to you is like showing a cross to a vampire.....OH NO! NOT THE WORD OF GOD! ANYTHING BUT THAT!
YOU LEGALISTS ARE ALL MEAN!

The prosecution rests

 

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Jesus taught the same solemn truth about losing eternal life in the parable of the sower. In explaining the seed which fell among the thorns and the rocks, Jesus said, "Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." Luke 8:12, 13.

There are several things to note about this parable. First, only one class will finally be saved - the ones who brought forth much fruit. The groups represented by the wayside and rocks will not be saved. In verse 12, the wayside hearers did not have a chance to "believe and be saved," but in the next verse the stony ground hearers do "for a while believe." What kind of "believing" is this? According to verse 12, it is the kind that saves. So the ones who believed for a while were saved for a while, but in time of temptation they fell away. Eventually, of course, they were lost along with all the others, except the fruit-bearers. Here is an unequivocal teaching of our Lord that people can have a saving faith for a while, and yet lose it and be lost.

Luke 8:5-15 KJV
5) A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6) And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7) And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8) And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
9) And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
10) And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
11) Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12) Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13) They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14) And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15) But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

"having heard the Word, keep it, and bring forth fruit".

You must believe to be saved, but you can also believe and not be saved. Demons believe, and are not saved. The context tells us which is which. Some the Word was plucked away. Some had an emotional experience, believing, but when tested, are proven false, as Peter teaches. Some are too wrapped up in this world.

But some hear and keep the Word, and bring forth fruit.

Much love!

 

[Grailhunter]

Grail hunter , i am gonna give you a simple saying and lets see if you agree with this .
Many often say I love Christ , i love the bible , yet when a man brings the Christ of that bible and the doctrine of that bible
the same ones say , ALAS WE HAVE US A HATER or one that is lost .
Have you ever noticed this one my friend . I often see folks saying they love the bible , that they are biblical
that they do love JESUS , and yet when folks bring HIS reminders , or the reminders of the apostels , THEY ATTACK .
Its just the way it is for many my friend . But always remember a true lambs LOVE ALL TRUTH , not just twisted sections
BUT ALL TRUTH in that bible .

Well you are right of course. We point this out really often.
What is the motivation of formulating a religion of sin? Why do they do it? I have already discussed some of the possible reasons.
Drugs? Drugs are kind of like the sci-fi movie The Invasion of the Body Snatchers. And I have already pointed out that pot has its own religious following. The desire for drugs can nearly justify anything. There could be a lot of reasons...for sure....but for sure and certain none of them are good.

 

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Here is a perfect example by the Master Teacher as to how a faithful and wise servant can be punished with the unbelievers. Jesus was talking about a man whom He had seen faithful enough to trust with heavy responsibilities. Undoubtedly, this servant represents those who carefully served the Lord as true believers. But what happened?

Apply it to the times, and how it was given.

This builds on the same message as the parable of the vineyard.

A responsibility was given and misused, but if used rightly, with great reward.

Another parable of Christ spotlights the fact that continued forgiveness is conditional for the believer. The story is found in Matthew 18:21-35, and revolves around the forgiveness of God. A certain king responded to the pleas of his servant and forgave him a large debt. That servant went out and found a fellow servant who owed him a small amount and showed no mercy, throwing him in prison because he could not pay. When the king heard what had happened, he rescinded his cancellation of the large debt and had his servant thrown to the tormentors till he paid in full.

All of these were taught under the Law, and agree with the Covenant of Law.

If you do not forgive others, God will not forgive you. This is Jesus, New Testament, and is the Law. God requires your obedience for you to be saved. Under Grace, God accepts Jesus' obedience as yours, and saves you.

Much love!

 

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All these verses are really saying the same thing. Willful sin shatters the relationship by which eternal life is obtained.

Eternal life is a new relationship untouchable by sin. Because it's found in Jesus, not me. I'm only reconciled because I'm immersed into God's Son, therefore I am a son. Not because I'm "good", not because I "don't sin", not because I anything. Because Jesus.

Blessed is the man to whom God will not impute sin. Who is that man/Man?

Baptized/immersed into Jesus.

Much love!

 

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That very faithful servant departed from the path of faithfulness and reaped eternal ruin and death. Does this not also remind us of the words of Hebrews 10:38, "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."

But wait . . . there's more . . .

Hebrews 10:38-39 KJV
38) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

How would he know that?

How would he know their belief was to the saving of the soul, and not to be drawn back from? Think about this. This passage is not saying that the believing ones draw back to perdition.

It actually contrasts those with salvific faith and those who draw back. Two different groups. The believing ones don't draw back. This passage actually teaches the opposite of what you are thinking here.

Much love!

 

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This is in harmony with the words of the Lord in Ezekiel 33:13, "When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it." The principle is repeated in verse 18, "When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby."

And again, this is under the Law, not under Grace. You make my argument for me.

:)

 

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Somehow the grace of God you're saying I don't have toward the drunk is the grace you do not have toward the legalist. You are in fact a hypocrite.

When did he say he was better than you?

Which post?