Biblical Mary

[Ronald Nolette]

how can anyone be saved in this life?
Matt 24:13

With god all things are possible and God saves us now and like it says we are already perfected, seated in heavenly places NOW, we are dead and our life is hidden in Christ in God NOW. That is Gods Word! Any orgasnizations word that contradicts this is to be shunned.

also James and John, the sons of Zebedee were Jesus' cousin so He left His mother in the family to be cared for.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

John is the beloved disciple (Jn132:23) who lay on Jesus' breast at the last supper. We are all beloved disciples of Jesus and therefore John represents us all.
Jesus wasn't making a last minute arrangement when he was on the cross; sort of "Whoops! I forgot about mum."
He could have arranged for John to look after Mary well before.
No, he was telling us something profound, that Mary is to be our spiritual mother.

Well I know you were tauight that, but that is not what happened. Your belief requires a reinterpreting of the Scriptures and the plain action that took place. As the eldest child of his widowed mother He had a Mosaic Law command to make sure His mother was being provided for because He was dying. He gave His mother to John to care for simply because at that time His own brothers and sisters were unbelievers and were not following Jesus.

 

[theefaith]

With god all things are possible and God saves us now and like it says we are already perfected, seated in heavenly places NOW, we are dead and our life is hidden in Christ in God NOW. That is Gods Word! Any orgasnizations word that contradicts this is to be shunned.

also James and John, the sons of Zebedee were Jesus' cousin so He left His mother in the family to be cared for.

where does it say to care for her???

 

[Taken]

We also should welcome Mary as one of "our own".

That is not a lesson about welcoming dead people.
It's a lesson about preparedness of arranging care for the aged into the hands of a faithful trusted friend.

 

[Taken]

where does it say to care for her???

Really? You didn't get a son oversees the care of a widowed mother?

 

[Taken]

how to be truly born again?

Conversion IN Christ.

 

[theefaith]

That is not a lesson about welcoming dead people.
It's a lesson about preparedness of arranging care for the aged into the hands of a faithful trusted friend.

Says nothing about “care”

saints are not dead, fundamentalists are, brain dead

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[theefaith]

Really? You didn't get a son oversees the care of a widowed mother?

not to care but a gift of grace being spiritual mother

 

[Webers_Home]

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I must've dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But I can hear the marching feet
They're moving into the street

Now did you read the news today
They say the danger's gone away
But I can see the fire's still alight
There burning into the night

There's too many men
Too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see
This is a land of confusion

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in

Ooh Superman where are you now
When everything's gone wrong somehow
The men of steel, the men of power
Are losing control by the hour

This is the time
This is the place
So we look for the future
But there's not much love to go round
Tell me why, this is a land of confusion
Genesis 1986
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[theefaith]

Conversion IN Christ.

Thats it?

 

[Taken]

Says nothing about “care”

saints are not dead, fundamentalists are, brain dead

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

ALL earthly bodies DIE, God requires it!
Saints who have physically died, their bodys are "returning" to dust, as Scripture says.
Their Living saved soul was Escorted to Heaven.
Their Living quickened spirit Goes to Gods hand.

 

[Taken]

not to care but a gift of grace being spiritual mother

She wasn't John's "spiritual mother". Mary became John's burden, and as a Mutually loved and friend of Jesus' I would presume John was honored to Serve Jesus as Jesus requested.

 

[BreadOfLife]

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• Matt 12:47-50 . . Then one said unto him: Behold, thy mother and thy
brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and
said unto him that told him: Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

. . . And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said: Behold
my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father
which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

That is a very good passage for use in explaining the one below:

• John 19:26-27 . . When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple
standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother: Woman, behold thy
son!

. . .Then saith he to the disciple: Behold thy mother! And from that hour
that disciple took her unto his own home.

» Note that the word "disciple" is singular in John's passage indicating that
Jesus spoke to only one rather than all.

Now the thing is: Jesus assigned Mary and John together as an adoptive
family; and if I read the passage correctly, Jesus' intent was that John take
Mary under his wing rather than she taking John under hers. In other words:
the burden of care was upon John rather than the other way around.

If John 19:26-27 were to apply to all of Jesus' disciples rather than only
John, then every Christian, from first to last, young and old, would be
responsible for Mary as their dependant kin.

• 1Tim 5:8 . . If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for
his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.

But of course Jesus' mother is in a better place now and no longer needs a
family to take care of her.

NOTE: If Jesus' mom was 18 when she bore him, and Jesus was executed at
33, then she would've been 51 at the time of the event.
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This is nonsense based on the fact that Jesus giving His mother to the care of a person OUTSIDE His family (siblings) would have been a great scandal. The people spoken of in Matt 12:47-50 weren't uterine siblings - and John 19:26-27 is proof of this.

If Mary had other children - THEY would have cared for her.
Why is there not a SINGLE extrabiblical reference to these would-be "siblings"??
Why is there not a SINGLE tradition involving them in 2000 years oof church history??

 

[Taken]

Thats it?

What other Service is required of you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is sad. A church with much of the truth in it, but so steeped in heretical doctrines that teh truth can easily get ddrowned out for many. I know there are untold numbers of saved Catholics, but because of the heavy burden laded on them by Romanism they do not even realize they have been redeemed.

There you go again with your idiotic "Romanism" nonsense.

This derogatory term cancels out about NINETEEN other Liturgical Rites from the Catholic Church. For your information - NOT all Catholics are "Roman" Catholics. "Roman" simply refers to ONE of about TWENTY Liturgical Rites.

As I've stated before - when you have had the truth explained to you and you continue to lie - you can no longer claim "ignorance" before the Lord.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It was to one disciple- John alone. And He did that to obey the law! He fulfilled all parts of the law required of HIm, even concerning turning the care of His widowed Mother to one.

Ummmmm, what happened to all of her "other" children, hmmmm?

 

[Illuminator]

Ummmmm, what happened to all of her "other" children, hmmmm?

It would be contrary to Jewish custom for Jesus to hand over His mother to anyone other than an immediate family member. A scandal. You pointed that out in #593 but it fell on deaf ears. At this time, Jewish customs were rigidly adhered to, including the vows women could make as described in Numbers 30.

Once upon a time, almost no Christians denied that Mary the mother of Jesus was perpetually a virgin: including Protestants. Of the early leaders of that movement, virtually all fully accepted this doctrine: including Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Bullinger, Turretin, and Cranmer. Moreover, most Protestant exegetes continued to believe it for at least another 350 years or so.

But today, for various reasons, things are very different, so it's helpful to revisit the biblical arguments, since the Bible is the authority all Christians revere in common. A surprising number can be found.

1) Luke 2:41-51 describes Mary and Joseph taking Jesus to the temple at the age of twelve, for the required observance of Passover. Everyone agrees that He was the first child of Mary, so if there were up to five or more siblings, as some maintain (or even one), why is there no hint of them at all in this account?

Did Mary and Joseph hire babysitters for the trip to Jerusalem?

Biblical Evidence for the Perpetual Virginity of Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

ALL earthly bodies DIE, God requires it!
Saints who have physically died, their bodys are "returning" to dust, as Scripture says.
Their Living saved soul was Escorted to Heaven.
Their Living quickened spirit Goes to Gods hand.

Tell that to Enoch and Elijah.

"ALL" is a dangerous word, Biblically speaking . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

It would be contrary to Jewish custom for Jesus to hand over His mother to anyone other than an immediate family member. A scandal. You pointed that out in #593 but it fell on deaf ears. At this time, Jewish customs were rigidly adhered to, including the vows women could make as described in Numbers 30.

Once upon a time, almost no Christians denied that Mary the mother of Jesus was perpetually a virgin: including Protestants. Of the early leaders of that movement, virtually all fully accepted this doctrine: including Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Bullinger, Turretin, and Cranmer. Moreover, most Protestant exegetes continued to believe it for at least another 350 years or so.

But today, for various reasons, things are very different, so it's helpful to revisit the biblical arguments, since the Bible is the authority all Christians revere in common. A surprising number can be found.

1) Luke 2:41-51 describes Mary and Joseph taking Jesus to the temple at the age of twelve, for the required observance of Passover. Everyone agrees that He was the first child of Mary, so if there were up to five or more siblings, as some maintain (or even one), why is there no hint of them at all in this account?

Did Mary and Joseph hire babysitters for the trip to Jerusalem?

Biblical Evidence for the Perpetual Virginity of Mary

Yes, I've always found it interesting how ALL Mary's "other children" suddenly vanish at the foot of the cross, leaving Jesus with NO other choice than to leave her to the care of someone outside the family.

 

[Mungo]

Well I know you were tauight that, but that is not what happened. Your belief requires a reinterpreting of the Scriptures and the plain action that took place. As the eldest child of his widowed mother He had a Mosaic Law command to make sure His mother was being provided for because He was dying. He gave His mother to John to care for simply because at that time His own brothers and sisters were unbelievers and were not following Jesus.

Well I know you were taught that, but that is not what happened. Your belief requires a reinterpreting of the Scriptures and the plain action that took place.