When You See the Abomination of Desolation Stand in the Holy Place

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Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold: Job 42:5-12 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. (Did Job see Him or not yet seen Him)?

"after the worms destroy my body" . . . sequencing is everything, as my wife would say.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Do you see the 144,000 as having been unable to have children? 144,00 sterile Jewish men?

Much

a virgin is sterile? Think of Mary

and

Romans 4:19-21 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: [20] He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; [21] And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

so can Jewish virgins bring forth fruits?

Tecarta Bible

 

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I think that this is very important and I would like to point out that the bible doesn’t say that the 144 000 are men just that they are virgins and hadn’t defile themselves with women this could also apply to women. I believe that non defilement stands for the purity of the church.

Most Christians don’t have a problem with the church being called the bride of the lamb but that doesn’t mean that the bride is all female

Myself, I think it means 12,000 virgin men from each of 12 tribes.

I'm wondering . . . If God were to want to tell us that He is intending to seal 144,000 Jews on their foreheads, and that they would be virgin men, I'm wondering, how do you suppose He would tell us that?

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

a virgin is sterile? Think of Mary

and

Romans 4:19-21 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: [20] He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; [21] And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

so can Jewish virgins bring forth fruits?

Tecarta Bible

Amen.

 

[Marty fox]

Agreed these could also be Jewish women.

As to the church being the bride, scripture refuted that.

I believe that the 144 000 are the church just as John heard about the lion of the tribe of Judah and then saw the slain lamb John heard of the 144 000 and then saw the great multitude of every tribe tong and nation

 

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a virgin is sterile? Think of Mary

and

Romans 4:19-21 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: [20] He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; [21] And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

so can Jewish virgins bring forth fruits?

Tecarta Bible

I was responding to Waiting on Him.

The 144,000 will be virgins. And people in heaven won't marry.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

Myself, I think it means 12,000 virgin men from each of 12 tribes.

I'm wondering . . . If God were to want to tell us that He is intending to seal 144,000 Jews on their foreheads, and that they would be virgin men, I'm wondering, how do you suppose He would tell us that?

Much love!

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 KJV
[21] Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; [22] Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Sorry can’t help myself. He is good.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"after the worms destroy my body" . . . sequencing is everything, as my wife would say.

Much love!

What consumes…we say literal worms in the dust of the dirt destroy this body…even constructing coffins that propose the worms and no water can get in. To preserve… an elaborate sales pitch on the fancy coffins, do you see vanity there? A false promise the worms in the graves won’t consume you, but God gives(Imo) a better promise and it isn’t about literal earth worms but maybe is.

Christ said when they charged Him with saying He would destroy the temple of God …He corrected “when you destroy this body, I will raise it up and build it again”


Acts 12:21-23 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat (where he shouldn’t be seated) upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. [22] And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. [23] And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

 

[Waiting on him]

I believe that the 144 000 are the church just as John heard about the lion of the tribe of Judah and then saw the slain lamb John heard of the 144 000 and then saw the great multitude of every tribe tong and nation

Yes the nations of Israel.

 

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Your right.

I am curious, what about the futurist view seems carnal to you?

Much love!

 

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2 Corinthians 1:21-22 KJV
[21] Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; [22] Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Sorry can’t help myself. He is good.

Is this to say the other passage can't mean actual 144,000 Jewish virgins?

An angel carries the Seal of the Living God . . . this is another name for the Holy Spirit, being carried by an angel?

Much love!

 

[Marty fox]

Myself, I think it means 12,000 virgin men from each of 12 tribes.

I'm wondering . . . If God were to want to tell us that He is intending to seal 144,000 Jews on their foreheads, and that they would be virgin men, I'm wondering, how do you suppose He would tell us that?

Much love!

How can it be the 12 tribes when the tribe of Dan is missing?

Why doesn’t the bible say that they are men?

I can ask a similar question if God in revelation chapter 5 wanted to show us Jesus slain how would it?

 

[Waiting on him]

I am curious, what about the futurist view seems carnal to you?

Much love!

It’s earthly. Which is carnal in my opinion.

 

[Waiting on him]

Is this to say the other passage can't mean actual 144,000 Jewish virgins?

An angel carries the Seal of the Living God . . . this is another name for the Holy Spirit, being carried by an angel?

Much love!

Marks, they are the first fruits. Not the last.

 

[Marty fox]

Yes the nations of Israel.

Do you mean true Israel The church? If so I agree

 

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What consumes…we say literal worms in the dust of the dirt destroy this body…even constructing coffins that propose the worms and no water can get in. To preserve… an elaborate sales pitch on the fancy coffins, do you see vanity there?

Christ said when they charged Him with saying He would destroy the temple of God …He corrected “when you destroy this body, I will raise it up and build it again”


Acts 12:21-23 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat (where he shouldn’t be seated) upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. [22] And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. [23] And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

OK . . . and Job said that God would stand on the earth, and after worms destroyed his body, yet in his flesh he would see God. To me this seems very simple.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

Is this to say the other passage can't mean actual 144,000 Jewish virgins?

An angel carries the Seal of the Living God . . . this is another name for the Holy Spirit, being carried by an angel?

Much love!

An angel is Gods messenger.

 

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Marks, they are the first fruits. Not the last.

I'm not following . . .

You know Paul and those with him were also firstfruits. Jesus is the firstfruit also. Context is king.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

OK . . . and Job said that God would stand on the earth, and after worms destroyed his body, yet in his flesh he would see God. To me this seems very simple.

Much love!

Much love!

fear not what men can do to the body. “I know My redeemer lives” …where no moth consumes and no thief approaches…even after the consumption…even after the consumption whom do we trust?

 

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An angel is Gods messenger.

So that's what puzzles me here. Are you suggesting that we receive the Holy Spirit through an angelic messenger?

Much love!