Sorry but this is just out and out plain old fashioned error. You're confusing the Bema seat with the great white throne judgment, two very different events.
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Still true for Christian's though, Jesus said that the commandment is life and belief in the gospel is not optional.
Ferris Bueller
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What I see is that 1 Corinthians 3:5-16 is about the servants of God having reward for their labor in the field and building of God, and not having reward for their labor in the field and building of God, depending on how well they planted, watered, and built, which is why they need to be careful how they do that.
Ferris Bueller
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A great judgment by fire is coming.......
...long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:6-10
8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:6-10
I disagree...I don’t doubt your sincerity in this matter so I do thank you for that....
Absolutely true, but like the kings of the earth, you're missing the nature of the reward, which is not the people of God, but God Himself. God judges the heart, our motives, not simply our actions. Are the redeemed a treasure to us? Do the angels rejoice at every soul saved? Do you love God with all your mind, with all your strength, with all your heart, with all your soul, and your brother as yourself?
Cain asked God a rhetorical question, already knowing the answer, "Am I my brother's keeper?" Cain's hands were not moved by love, but by hate, by jealously, by envy, by pride, by greed, by covetousness, and he had the whole world before him, and the light speaking to Him, plainly as men speak face to face.
As good, if not better, than other explanations that I have seen for explaining the controversial verses of James.....
Not just a judgment, but a cleansing because all things are cleansed by fire and water, then purified through the word of God.
5 So I said:
“Woe is me, for I am undone!
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips;
For my eyes have seen the King,
The Lord of hosts.”
6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar. 7 And he touched my mouth with it, and said:
“Behold, this has touched your lips;
Your iniquity is taken away,
And your sin purged.” Isaiah 6:5-7
“Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd,
Against the Man who is My Companion,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
“Strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered;
Then I will turn My hand against the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’ ” Zechariah 13:7-9
Zechariah, who spoke more to the "church age" than anyone else is probably ignored by the church more than anyone else.
If you know these things to be true, then don't fight against the cross. It wasn't our choice, it was His. The fire Zechariah speaks of is not Hell, or Gehenna (the garbage dump of perpetual burning.) Forget what men have taught you and trust what God is teaching you. You don't have to believe me, though I was sent, but you do have to believe Him when He speaks, and He has, and He does, and He will continue to do so. When there's silence in heaven, it will be brief. Even the wise have to contemplate the word to understand its meaning in the light of God's work. Even the angels receive Revelation through the agency of men under the inspiration of His Spirit and the words of our Lord spoken to those with an ear to hear.
Ferris Bueller
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Yes, people are rewards......
For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you? 1 Thessalonians 2:19
Ferris Bueller
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Who are you and what did you do with BB? Lol.
Thanks, bro. I appreciate that.
Uh, the crown is the reward. Stop being so full of yourself, and be filled with His Spirit. That isn't a suggestion but a command, and it doesn't come from me, but from the word.
Ferris Bueller
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Because I am a new creation in Christ. The Holy Spirit canceled the power of sin in my flesh. Now I'm free to please God.
Ferris Bueller
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That's right. And look at who Paul says is the crown......
For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you? 1 Thessalonians 2:19
...my brothers and sisters, you whom I love and long for, my joy and crown... Philippians 4:1
...my brothers and sisters, you whom I love and long for, my joy and crown... Philippians 4:1
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Ferris Bueller
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Don't worry, I "will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine (my) boasting to the sphere of service God himself has assigned to (me)." 2 Corinthians 10:13
If my service in the field and building of God is me being full of myself, then so be it, for this also comes from the word of God...
...the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes... 1 Thessalonians 2:19
...you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:4
...then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain. Philippians 2:16
And notice all this happening in the day of the Lord, just like in 1 Corinthians 3:13. So, let us all make sure we are being careful how we build so we can have a reward—1 Corinthians 3:10, 1 Corinthians 3:13-14. And let us all run in such a way as to get the prize and get a crown that will last forever! 1 Corinthians 9:24-25....you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:4
...then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain. Philippians 2:16
All of these things are so closely related and inter- woven , it’s hard to be precise when trying to break things apart and decide what actually is responsible for what.....the word “ Repent” is a word with three different meanings just on it’s own....it can mean “ sorrow for sins” , which can lead to a “ change of Mind” which can lead to a “ turning” to God ......Any or all can be participants in Salvation .....it can be confusing to break it down sometimes....
The serious problem that can result is this—- some people think that “ repent” means to “ stop sinning”......
That would only
be possible by keeping all of the Laws which would mean that you would be trying to find your Justification by putting yourself under the Law and , “ by the Law, No Flesh shall be Justified” , so that just ain’t gonna Work ....If one chooses to go “that” route , what he does is put himself under the “Curse of the Law”..... that means that if you break just ONE Law, you have broken them all....
Yes, some confused people think if they can just stop sinning , which usually just entails taking the Law and lowering it’s True Standard ( Perfection 24/7) to a level that the think they can keep and then feel “ safe” with.......they think this will get them fit for Heaven.....
This is all done at the exclusion of the things that really save.....where is the mention of Faith in Jesus....what does it do with Justification by Faith.....what credit is given to God’s Grace and Mercy ....why is there no mention of “ The Shed Blood”.......
Even if a person “ could” stop sinning , and they can’t, they would find out that they had been barking up the wrong tree all along.....” conquering Sin” was never even a menu item when it came to Salvation .....the only “menu item” was to Believe the Gospel.....you missed the boat.....all those sins you tried to conquer had already been paid for....Simply Believing what had been done “ FOR” you , as opposed to you trying to do something impossible and not Biblical ( for the Righteous shall live by Faith) was God’s one and only Formula for getting to Heaven....you may have become more “ moral “, but that’s it........
God ain’t looking for “ moral” people , although that is certainly better than being “Immoral”......God demands “ Perfect People” and the only way to be “ Perfect” is to get the Perfection Of Christ “ IMPUTED” to your Heavenly Account....
Would you like to get that “ Imputation” Of Perfection put on your Account? It’s easy to do.....Rest in Paul’s Gospel—- Given to Paul by Jesus Himself.....it’s found in 1Cor15: 1-4...... It’s the Gospel that God will judge you by....you will NOT be judged by your pitiful , although well- meaning. attempts to “ stop sinning” ...that Law you were so intent on “ keeping” for your Salvation was only given to show that you could not keep it—— it was given to show you your NEED for that Gospel that Saved others and should have Saved you...... you just never understood the “ Menu”....... do you understand it now? I hope so....God Bless...
Very good and what exactly does the Holy Spirit do? Hint: His work is in His names and Jesus gave us at least a few descriptive ones.
Just another "worldly " question which obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but did you have a good Father in this life and did he ever place you on his lap and let you "drive his car" with his hands placed on either side of of yours and upon the steering wheel? Who was really doing the driving?
There are a number of crowns given as rewards, and in each case the crown is the reward, but the crown represents genuine faith, more precious than gold. The crown is also the symbol of authority. The king without his crown is still a king, but who recognizes it except by the crown upon his head or by knowing him personally? The crowns are given, not earned. Authority is given, not earned. Why do the 24 elders in the throne room of God cast their crowns at the feet of Jesus?
“You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they exist and were created.”
Nope.....you got your “ take” and I have mine......you are “CERTAIN” that you are right—- so am I .... we can only continue to do what we have always done — present our best cases using Scriptures, and let individuals make up their own minds.....
Of course, The Smart People Will Side with me and the dumb people will see things your
way....
Lol.....that “ last” part there? That was a little joke.....( or “ was” it?....lol)......
TheslightestID
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Luke 13:3 ESV
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish
Good, I'm glad you understand I was and I still am being sincere.
I truly don't understand. The verse I just posted clearly states we must repent, and your reply to that might as well be you stating you disagree with the bible. I guess I'm trying to understand how you, a Christian, can be so caught up that you actually basically admit you disagree with the bible?
Serious question, are you openly admitting you disagree with the bible?
Luke 13:3 ESV
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish
Good, I'm glad you understand I was and I still am being sincere.
I truly don't understand. The verse I just posted clearly states we must repent, and your reply to that might as well be you stating you disagree with the bible. I guess I'm trying to understand how you, a Christian, can be so caught up that you actually basically admit you disagree with the bible?
Serious question, are you openly admitting you disagree with the bible?
Nobody goes to Heaven unless their sins are forgiven .....I think everybody agrees on that ...”without Faith, it is impossible to please God.....”
Sins are paid for —- some “ cash in” on that fact and find Forgiveness and others don’t.....There is only “ONE WAY” to “ cash in” to what Jesus accomplished on the Cross —- FAITH... Mark2:5..............”Seeing their “FAITH” , Jesus said to the paralyzed man, ‘ Son, your sins are “FORGIVEN.” Was there ever a “ cause and effect” made more clear than this? Was there ever any better reason given to rejoice?
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