new version of OSAS?

[Ferris Bueller]

Perhaps everybody knows that. But it seems while you do, He isn’t the one who is in control in your salvation, the pilot so to speak, but is only your co-pilot.

Tong
R3499

I guess if you aren't old enough and weren't raised in the United States you wouldn't know I was being funny. That was a popular bumper sticker years ago here in the United States.

 

[Tong2020]

That's exactly the point. So, be careful how you build!

...each one must be careful how he builds.
[...]
If anyone builds on this foundation (Christ - 1 Corinthians 3:11, Ephesians 2:20) using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. 1 Corinthians 3:10-13​

If you add people to the church who are nothing more than wood, hay, or straw (people who will be consumed in the judgment - Isaiah 33:11-12), they won't be saved, but you yourself may be saved, but you will not have them as your joy, and your crown of boasting in the presence of our Lord Jesus at His coming (1 Thessalonians 2:19, Philippians 4:1, Philippians 2:16, 2 John 1:8). You will have labored for nothing. No reward.

And that's the danger of the Osas type-2 gospel. If you tell 'believers' they can live in their old unchanged, unrepentant lives of unrighteousness of the unbelieving and still be saved, instead of in the new transformed lives of the believing, you are laboring for that which will not last. You are building wood, hay, and straw, instead of gold, silver, and precious stones onto the foundation stone of Christ in the temple of God. Like the land and the branches that will be burned, and the bundles of weeds that are tossed in the furnace, so your work will be destroyed in the fire of the coming judgment and you will have no reward for your labor in the field and building of God.

Are you suggesting that peoples’ salvation is what teachers/preachers make of them, either straw, hay, wood, or gold, silver, and precious stones? And if they make them straw, hay, wood, these people will suffer fire, and they don’t?

Isn’t that a clear misuse of scriptures there?

Tong
R3505

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Nothing is so hard to understand about it by those who were given understanding of it by God.

Do you not see that Jesus was telling them what it means to believe in Him and truly be His disciples? I do. Jesus was telling them that truly believing Him means abiding to His words which makes one to be His disciple indeed.

<<<And when true ones don't want to follow him anymore they don't.>>>

There is nothing like that said in John 8:31.

Tong
R3498

You're reading your Osas bias into it. All he's saying is true disciples follow him. There's nothing there about always and forever holding to Jesus' teachings. True disciples follow his teachings. False one's do not. Don't go beyond what is written.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Are you suggesting that peoples’ salvation is what teachers/preachers make of them, either straw, hay, wood, or gold, silver, and precious stones? And if they make them straw, hay, wood, these people will suffer fire, and don’t?

Isn’t that a clear misuse of scriptures there?

Tong
R3505

Paul is saying the co-worker of God either raises people up in a genuine salvation that can carry them through the judgment to come, or they don't. And if you don't, for whatever the reason—laziness, an incomplete or inadequate gospel message, etc.—there will be no reward for that servant of God. He's telling the Corinthians this to show he has a vested interest in making sure they hear the truth and are genuinely saved and prepared for the return of Christ. He's contrasting himself to the false apostles preaching to them with their 'other' gospel that can't save, and how they are doing it for temporary monetary gain. There's no benefit to him to teach them a false gospel that can not save and which results in no reward for him personally.

 

[Tong2020]

Salvation is of God. He can forgive any one whom He wishes to forgive including the sin of "living in adultery/" Consider David who was after God's own heart, Scripture say. He IS in heaven!

Of course he can, and he will/did. Who even indicated he would not be forgiven?

What you are missing is, had David not sought forgiveness, was sorry and repentant, he would not have been forgiven.

In OSAS's book, repentance, being sorry, and asking forgiveness is not necessary.

God is Him who worked out David’s being brought to repentance. God had kept Him.

Tong
R3506

 

[TheslightestID]

Nope. I already gave you the post#, your post even. All you have to do is go there and be clarified and be refreshed of what you have agreed in what I posted. If that isn’t evasion then what? Perhaps Laziness?

Tong
R3503

Ok, if youd rather not be clear, that is up to you....thanks just the same.

 

[TheslightestID]

Who are the clowns and liars you are talking about?

I think you fit the criteria.

 

[TheslightestID]

God is Him who worked out David’s being brought to repentance. God had kept Him.

Tong
R3506

No offense intended, but some of your posts are becoming a bit incoherent. If you cannot help it, I understand, but please understand that may be why some may go unanswered.

 

[JunChosen]

David is in Heaven today for one reason—-he had Faith.

I believe David went to heaven BECAUSE his sins were forgiven.

The Sinful woman ( probably a prostitute) who wiped her tears from the feet of Jesus was told to go in peace—- “ Your FAITH has SAVED you”——

This woman too is in heaven because like David [or any other saved person for that matter] her sins were forgiven also.

Our faith is a gift from God. We cannot be saved by our faith but BY THE FAITH

 

[Cooper]

Of course not. But it is interesting that what they meant for evil...God saw fit to include in His eternal word, for good. Because the law (theirs or God's) is not a rule to live up to, but rather a foundation that we rise above with Christ.

Christ is the foundation on whom I build. To do otherwise is to build on shifting sand. I do not think we are going to get along.
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[Cooper]

Okay.

The greater explanation, is that "To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven", which changes the meaning of much of what would be considered sin. Killing, for instance: "You shall not murder.", but "he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death" is okay.

There are thousands of other acts that work the same way. Even your example of fornication is subject to interpretation. My point is, just because we consider something to be unacceptable, doesn't make it a sin in every circumstance...even if we judge it to be so from our own perspective. So, regardless of our own thoughts on moral subjects, God's ways are higher, and we don't have the last say. It's not as simple as something always being right or wrong. That is legalism. But God doesn't actually work that way.

Are you a humanist? You might as well be honest with me from the start.
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[GRACE ambassador]

Our faith is a gift from God. We cannot be saved by our faith but BY THE FAITH

Amen! By "The FAITH Of The SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST!" Amen?

 

[ScottA]

Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Situational ethics is the oldest deception in the book.

"You shall not surely die." You'll become wise instead. Worked out great for us, didn't it?

You assume too much. I never said anything about violating the law of sin.

On the contrary, I have only warned against swinging the pendulum too far the other way and becoming legalistic against the full knowledge of God, for lack of understanding.

 

[ScottA]

Are you a humanist? You might as well be honest with me from the start.
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Christ is the foundation on whom I build. To do otherwise is to build on shifting sand. I do not think we are going to get along.
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Great, demonize what you don't fully understand. Such fruit is not of Christ.

No wonder you think we're not going to get along.

 

[michaelvpardo]

But now I have the righteousness of God. Now I'm more righteous than even the well meaning Buddhist and Hindu. I do things that I could not do before.

Very good, excellent understanding, nearly perfect, so my next question, a bit more difficult to apprehend for most, is in response to your last statement, even your testimony. Why are you able to do things that you could not do before? (Hint : I've been posting and reposting proof verses of plain statements made by the Son of God, whose words are the basis of our judgment or of our salvation, whose words are Spirit and Life.

 

[JunChosen]

David is in Heaven today for one reason—-he had Faith.

I believe David went to heaven BECAUSE his sins were forgiven.

The Sinful woman ( probably a prostitute) who wiped her tears from the feet of Jesus was told to go in peace—- “ Your FAITH has SAVED you”——

This woman too is in heaven because like David [or any other saved person for that matter] her sins were forgiven also.

Our faith [saving faith] is a gift from God [Eph. 2:8]. We cannot be saved by our faith [works] but by the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST. Galatians 2:16 read:

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, THAT we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

The term Jesus uttered, "your faith has saved you" to the woman was NOT meant for her but to Himself. Jesus is the very essence of faith as He is the Faithful One! [Rev. 18:11].

Hence, we can render what Jesus declared this way, " your Saviour [faith] has saved you.

I hope this helps.

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

Amen! By "The FAITH Of The SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST!" Amen?

Thanks for the correction.

To God Be The Glory

 

[michaelvpardo]

The passage is about whether or not your work will make it through the judgment by fire at the end of the age. Your work is the people you have ministered to and placed on top of the foundation of Christ in the building of God.

...you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house... 1 Peter 2:5​

If those you have placed in the building of God are perishable and nothing more than hay, wood, and stubble they will be shown for what they are and will be consumed in the judgment and you will receive no reward for your labor. You yourself may be saved (if you have not been tearing down the building of God), but you will have no reward for your labor.

This is where you've gone off the rails, and you're going to have a problem with the eternal gospel when the proclamation goes out, but there isn't time for you to understand everything. People aren't rewards, they're responsibilities, precious to God even as you and I are. Scripture refers to His people as His inheritance and as His treasure, not ours. Having a share in the inheritance is having a stewardship over a portion of God's wealth. God is the inheritance of His children as it is written. He is our great reward.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Yes, people are like wood, hay, and stubble.....

Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. Isaiah 47:14

Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. Psalm 1:4-5

You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw; your breath is a fire that consumes you. The peoples will be burned to ashes; like cut thornbushes they will be set ablaze.” Isaiah 33:11-12

His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Matthew 3:12​

All flesh is judged and was at the great flood, but even the great flood was a cleansing and followed by the purification with the word of God and the covenant established with Noah, his descendants, and all the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and all with the breath of life.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Yes, people are the servant of God's work.....

Are you yourselves not my workmanship in the Lord? Even if I am not an apostle to others, surely I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 9:1-2​

You may know what you mean to say, what your argument against God's grace is, but His grace is such that He won't allow you to explain your misunderstanding in some clear fashion. You have however already said it yourself, that you now can do what you formerly couldn't do, and understanding why isn't essential to God's purposes in you. But you will eventually see it. You will grasp the beauty of it. You will comprehend the depths of God's grace, the heights of His glory, and soon, very soon.