Are you still messing up? Look at Paul

[MatthewG]

Are you still struggling with sin in your life?

Do you understand that sin has been paid for completely by the Lord Jesus Christ?

Though sin still lives in our bodies it has been taken care of; though our bodies are still in the flesh and the flesh has its own desires and if you are a believer you understand that you are given a spirit. If you are someone who is well knowledgeable about the spirit and the flesh; to those of you who do not I would suggest taking a look at Galatians Chapter 5; and reading it all the way through. Also could suggest Colossians 3.

Though sin still lives in our bodies the only way to simmer it down is by building up the spirit with-in so that the flesh dies with Christ in the grave, and we are raised with Christ into a new creation continuing in active faith and prayer and relationship with the Father and the sun.

It might be hard to understand what Paul is saying here but just take it verse by verse, and see what you think about what Paul is saying; I would suggest even going as far to read Romans 5, 6, 7 and 8 collectively as a whole to get a full contextual understanding of what is being laid out by Paul to the Saints in Rome, in which Paul is writing to them around 52 ad (estimation).

I hope you can find comfort in these scriptures and understand your identity, in Christ Jesus.

7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.

17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.

18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.

20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. (The battle between the flesh and the spirit).

 

[Robert Gwin]

Are you still struggling with sin in your life?

Do you understand that sin has been paid for completely by the Lord Jesus Christ?

Though sin still lives in our bodies it has been taken care of; though our bodies are still in the flesh and the flesh has its own desires and if you are a believer you understand that you are given a spirit. If you are someone who is well knowledgeable about the spirit and the flesh; to those of you who do not I would suggest taking a look at Galatians Chapter 5; and reading it all the way through. Also could suggest Colossians 3.

Though sin still lives in our bodies the only way to simmer it down is by building up the spirit with-in so that the flesh dies with Christ in the grave, and we are raised with Christ into a new creation continuing in active faith and prayer and relationship with the Father and the sun.

It might be hard to understand what Paul is saying here but just take it verse by verse, and see what you think about what Paul is saying; I would suggest even going as far to read Romans 5, 6, 7 and 8 collectively as a whole to get a full contextual understanding of what is being laid out by Paul to the Saints in Rome, in which Paul is writing to them around 52 ad (estimation).

I hope you can find comfort in these scriptures and understand your identity, in Christ Jesus.

7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.

17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.

18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.

20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. (The battle between the flesh and the spirit).

Paul is a very good example to use Matt, of course we all know we are sinners, as was Paul, but we should not feel so down on ourselves when we do, not excusing it by any means, but Paul struggled hard to do right, as do all of us, but he was personally selected by Jesus, and was anointed by holy spirit, if he has to struggle with sin, then obviously every Christian will as well. satan will not let up on those who try to serve God wholeheartedly, and he knows our weaknesses as well.

 

[MatthewG]

Hey thank you for your kind words Robert, but I don’t see where Paul puts any blame on Satan at all. Paul prayed three times for the thorn in his said to be removed yet God did not take it away from him which kept him humble and not to become conceited.

 

[amadeus]

Hey thank you for your kind words Robert, but I don’t see where Paul puts any blame on Satan at all. Paul prayed three times for the thorn in his said to be removed yet God did not take it away from him which kept him humble and not to become conceited.

Satan our adversary and God's adversary! Where is Satan or should it be satan? Where was Satan here?

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

Was Satan also very good at the point? Hmmm?

Perhaps our worst enemy is simply our own old man who has not been completely defeated/killed in us. He is perhaps only reflecting another way of speaking about the beasts within us which continue to be attracted by things which when followed will lead us to sin one more time...

"Wisdom...She hath killed her beasts..." Prov. 9:1-2

 

[marks]

Though sin still lives in our bodies the only way to simmer it down is by building up the spirit with-in so that the flesh dies with Christ in the grave, and we are raised with Christ into a new creation continuing in active faith and prayer and relationship with the Father and the sun.

It sounds like you are thinking we need to still died with Jesus?

My reading of Romans 6 is that this is something that happens as a completed act, when we are baptized into Jesus.

Much love!

 

[Ziggy]

Satan our adversary and God's adversary! Where is Satan or should it be satan? Where was Satan here?

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

Was Satan also very good at the point? Hmmm?

Perhaps our worst enemy is simply our own old man who has not been completely defeated/killed in us. He is perhaps only reflects another way of speaking about the beasts within us which continue to be attracted by things which when followed will lead us to sin one more time...

"Wisdom...She hath killed her beasts..." Prov. 9:1-2

God raised up Pharoah for a purpose. It was Good.

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Pharaoh wasn't very good by a long shot, but the purpose God had in mind for Pharoah was.

God created the serpent... there is a purpose for everything.
On the sixth day at even time.. God called everything that he had made Good.

Doesn't mean the serpent was good by no means.
But the purpose God had in mind for the serpent was.

We may not fully understand the plan.
But it time God will make known everything to us.
And we too will say.. It was Very Good.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

So much we don't really know...
yet.
We still have sleep in our eyes and lots of things look blurry.

Mar 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mar 8:25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Trust the Plan
Trust the Lord!

Hugs

 

[MatthewG]

It sounds like you are thinking we need to still died with Jesus?

My reading of Romans 6 is that this is something that happens as a completed act, when we are baptized into Jesus.

Much love!

I am just mentioning what Paul himself is mentioning Marks. I believe in totality of the scripture shared one must consider from Romans 5,6,7,8.

Either what Paul says is true or it is a lie. Romans 6 we die to sin but yet sin still live in our body, we just can not seem to shake it all off us like a dog with fleas, sometimes they will go away, sometimes they may return it depends on the treatment plan you decide to go along with.

Are you saying that Paul was lying about his motions as a Christian from the sin that was still in him?

Do you believe there is still sin left inside of you? I know that their is still sin inside of me, and God knows what if I hate it or not.

Satan our adversary and God's adversary! Where is Satan or should it be satan? Where was Satan here?

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." Gen 1:31

Was Satan also very good at the point? Hmmm?

Perhaps our worst enemy is simply our own old man who has not been completely defeated/killed in us. He is perhaps only reflects another way of speaking about the beasts within us which continue to be attracted by things which when followed will lead us to sin one more time...

"Wisdom...She hath killed her beasts..." Prov. 9:1-2

If you believe Satan is still roaming around like a lion; then their is something to mindful of; however in my view and perception of what the bible indicates is that of victory over Satan; is what Jesus Christ has won over; Satan. If you believe Satan is still roaming around that is fine; but that doesn't seem to be what the bible indicates from my perspective; which is this

1 John 3:8
He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Some believe these things have not happened yet; if it so happens to be yourself that believes that these things have not happened yet, that is okay; you do not have to agree with me. :)

 

[Wrangler]

Satan our adversary and God's adversary!

I'm not sure God has an adversary. There are those who are not in communion with His Spirit, who are living their life for their own purposes, who are the walking dead - even if they don't know it. That is, there are those that are in rebellion to the will of God.

But I would not dishonor the almighty by suggesting any created being is a threat to the Creator and thereby, a true and actual adversary.

Satan's power is limited to his ability to persuade. I am always mindful that evil does not overpower, it seduces. Sure, we can quibble that we would be faithful to God if not for the temptations and seductions of Satan & his minions. However, our faith and fidelity is not much if it cannot withstand the truth of the test.

 

[amadeus]

@Wrangler

Wrangler said: I'm not sure God has an adversary. There are those who are not in communion with His Spirit, who are living their life for their own purposes, who are the walking dead - even if they don't know it. That is, there are those that are in rebellion to the will of God.

But I would not dishonor the almighty by suggesting any created being is a threat to the Creator and thereby, a true and actual adversary.

Satan's power is limited to his ability to persuade. I am always mindful that evil does not overpower, it seduces. Sure, we can quibble that we would be faithful to God if not for the temptations and seductions of Satan & his minions. However, our faith and fidelity is not much if it cannot withstand the truth of the test.

God raised up Pharoah for a purpose. It was Good.

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Pharaoh wasn't very good by a long shot, but the purpose God had in mind for Pharoah was.

God created the serpent... there is a purpose for everything.
On the sixth day at even time.. God called everything that he had made Good.

Doesn't mean the serpent was good by no means.
But the purpose God had in mind for the serpent was.

We may not fully understand the plan.
But it time God will make known everything to us.
And we too will say.. It was Very Good.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

So much we don't really know...
yet.
We still have sleep in our eyes and lots of things look blurry.

Mar 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mar 8:25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Trust the Plan
Trust the Lord!

Hugs

Indeed sister in so many things still it is as seeing through a glass, darkly! What you have touched on without calling it that is where I have seen the left hand of God working. It is where all of those curses are put into effect, curses from God whereas the blessings would be on the right hand:


"Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known." Deut. 11:26-28

Or Deuteronomy. chapters 27 and 28 plus countless other places in scripture. God never changes!

Consider here what some people want to call a discrepancy of a contradiction:

"And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah" II Sam 24:1

"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." I Chron 21:1

The anger of the LORD or the provocation of Satan moved/provoked David to number them?
Or was it simply in both cases the left hand of God?

God uses people to accomplish His curses as well as His blessings. Some people have only been used in the area of curses because they have never known God. Other people who have known God, but for the moment are quenching the Spirit of God in them can in that moment of quenching be used also in the area of curses.

Jesus expresses a final result here for someone quenching the Spirit too much of time in spite of some good efforts, mostly superficial he wants to take credit for... sheep or goats?

"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:" Matt 25:32-34

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" Matt 25:41

And also...

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" Matt 7:22-23

Who is God and who is the adversary?

When, timewise, did God speak the Word of God which includes both curses and blessings? Is God subject to time or is time for our benefit?

 

[marks]

I am just mentioning what Paul himself is mentioning Marks. I believe in totality of the scripture shared one must consider from Romans 5,6,7,8.

Either what Paul says is true or it is a lie. Romans 6 we die to sin but yet sin still live in our body, we just can not seem to shake it all off us like a dog with fleas, sometimes they will go away, sometimes they may return it depends on the treatment plan you decide to go along with.

Are you saying that Paul was lying about his motions as a Christian from the sin that was still in him?

Do you believe there is still sin left inside of you? I know that their is still sin inside of me, and God knows what if I hate it or not.

Romans 6:6-12 KJV
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

We are told to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God because we don't. We look at the sin which lives in our flesh as if it were our own, and we identify with our flesh. We have been crucified with Jesus, yet we are alive, but with Jesus' life.

We've died in Him, risen in Him. Verse 7 literally reads, "for he that is dead is justified away from sin." Crucifixion and resurrection with Christ forever separate me from the flesh man, the one born from Adam, as I now become the spirit man, the one born from God. The flesh man retains it's sinfulness, and will continue in sin if I do not stop it, by taking control of my mind in order to think according to the Word of God.

Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Law incites sin in the flesh. Trusting in the finished work of Christ overcomes the flesh. Trusting in the finished work of Christ gives me boldness before God, to trust His promises. That He is doing for me all that He has told me He would do. To stand in grace.

The reason I bring this up is this. Knowing that something is already accomplished for me, and that by faith I can live this, and, knowing that I'm still needing something I don't yet have, in this case, "more death", these are different things to me.

Peter told us that God has given us everything we need for life and godliness, and I believe that is true.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

Darkness is the antithesis of light; and God is light; a consuming fire white bright light.

People who enjoy darkness more than the light do not have a care for God; unless they are seeking for the truth, and trying to find light in their lives, to find that light would be to look towards the Lord Jesus Christ who is the light of all mankind.

I do not look at the Gospels and look at the world and say: Oh man their are so many enemies out here that are trying to attack God and the Gospels; My heart and the spirit notifies me to the notion of not everyone is looking for the truth, not everyone desires to look towards God or the Lord Jesus Christ, and why is that? Because it is their own personal choice; do I know if everyone contact is a Christian? That depends on how well I get to know them; or how their heart speaks about God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

People out here in the world; by their own choice ; willingly reject the notion and truth of the Gospel; for their own self seeking of whatever is they desire and God lets them do that. Freely, by their own will.

Romans 6:6-12 KJV
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

We are told to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God because we don't. We look at the sin which lives in our flesh as if it were our own, and we identify with our flesh. We have been crucified with Jesus, yet we are alive, but with Jesus' life.

We've died in Him, risen in Him. Verse 7 literally reads, "for he that is dead is justified away from sin." Crucifixion and resurrection with Christ forever separate me from the flesh man, the one born from Adam, as I now become the spirit man, the one born from God. The flesh man retains it's sinfulness, and will continue in sin if I do not stop it, by taking control of my mind in order to think according to the Word of God.

Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Law incites sin in the flesh. Trusting in the finished work of Christ overcomes the flesh. Trusting in the finished work of Christ gives me boldness before God, to trust His promises. That He is doing for me all that He has told me He would do. To stand in grace.

The reason I bring this up is this. Knowing that something is already accomplished for me, and that by faith I can live this, and, knowing that I'm still needing something I don't yet have, in this case, "more death", these are different things to me.

Peter told us that God has given us everything we need for life and godliness, and I believe that is true.

Much love!

You still never answered the question though marks: Do you still sin? If your answer is no; then that would make you a liar.

I agree though Paul mentions we are to become dead to sin; dead to the law; and alive to Christ.

Paul still has problems in the flesh; and to say that we can not have anymore problems would be also a lie, and not telling the truth.

That is why Paul mentions that He struggles himself with Sin: Can you believe that?!?!? An Apostle of Christ Jesus chosen by the will of God - Sinned... CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? Well according to his claims it is true. He himself still struggled and was not perfect in his flesh.

Much love, and you take care @marks.

 

[Ziggy]

Deep stuff.

Sin.. where is it?
In your heart, in your mind?
You can't physically see sin in your body.
It's a manifestation of what's in your mind.

When we first believe that Christ died for our sins. He died for our impure thoughts, our rebellious attitudes.
We begin the process of cleaning out the trash and replacing the mind with good things.

Now sin will only remain as long as you allow yourself to think on it, dwell on it, act on it.
But we been programmed since birth to a whole world of sin.
It's all around us. We become part of the world by doing and thinking the same things the world does.

That's why it is VERY important to get rid of the boob tube.
Your being brainwashed and it's not Holy water that's for sure.
Even the cleanest minds are being infected at a rapid pace from all sides.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

When we die with Christ in baptism, we leave all these thoughts and feelings and anything that is "unclean" behind.
We get to have a redo.

If I knew then what I know now....

Well,, here's your chance..
what will you do with what you know now?

We still have the residue of sin that clings to us like tar and feathers. It doesn't want to let go.
Everytime you recall a fault, or hard feelings, or guilt.. your giving sin power over your thoughts.

You don't have to physically kill someone to commit murder.
Once the thought is in your heart... you begin to kill yourself.
You cannot serve God and Mammon.
Two spirits cannot exist in the same space.
You either serve one and hate the other.

Cast out the old leaven..
Be renewed in your mind.
Born again even..

Hugs

 

[MatthewG]

Deep stuff.

Sin.. where is it?
In your heart, in your mind?
You can't physically see sin in your body.
It's a manifestation of what's in your mind.

When we first believe that Christ died for our sins. He died for our impure thoughts, our rebellious attitudes.
We begin the process of cleaning out the trash and replacing the mind with good things.

Now sin will only remain as long as you allow yourself to think on it, dwell on it, act on it.
But we been programmed since birth to a whole world of sin.
It's all around us. We become part of the world by doing and thinking the same things the world does.

That's why it is VERY important to get rid of the boob tube.
Your being brainwashed and it's not Holy water that's for sure.
Even the cleanest minds are being infected at a rapid pace from all sides.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

When we die with Christ in baptism, we leave all these thoughts and feelings and anything that is "unclean" behind.
We get to have a redo.

If I knew then what I know now....

Well,, here's your chance..
what will you do with what you know now?

We still have the residue of sin that clings to us like tar and feathers. It doesn't want to let go.
Everytime you recall a fault, or hard feelings, or guilt.. your giving sin power over your thoughts.

You don't have to physically kill someone to commit murder.
Once the thought is in your heart... you begin to kill yourself.
You cannot serve God and Mammon.
Two spirits cannot exist in the same space.
You either serve one and hate the other.

Cast out the old leaven..
Be renewed in your mind.
Born again even..

Hugs

Thank you for taking time to write of these things out; of what is on your heart.

This is something would like to mention about what Jesus Christ said about the conditions of the heart of man:

14Once again Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “All of you, listen to Me and understand: 15Nothing that enters a man from the outside can defile him; but the things that come out of a man, these are what defile him.”h17After Jesus had left the crowd and gone into the house, His disciples inquired about the parable.18“Are you still so dull?” He asked. “Do you not understand? Nothing that enters a man from the outside can defile him, 19because it does not enter his heart, but it goes into the stomach and then is eliminated.” (Thus all foods are clean.)i20He continued: “What comes out of a man, that is what defiles him. 21For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,j 22greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. 23All these evils come from within, and these are what defile a man.”

As you have said you do not have to murder someone to kill them -> Murdering by hatred in the heart of a person.

What has God allowed us to be able to do by and through Christ Jesus and the spirit of christ/holy spirit living with-in us; is to overcome these things and transform the darkness that in our heart into by and through the spirit the capabilities of having : as stated in Galatians 5: 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Are we always constantly 100% of time having love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control?

That is a question you have to ask yourself can you live in the spirit perfectly all the time 100% of the time? I would say that just by knowing that the holy spirit resides in you, and knowing your relationship with God personally; your heart begins to be changed by God; though we are still going to have problems that are going to come up which will continue to test our faith; and sometimes we are gonna fail a test from time to time would you not think? Unless we just become 'perfect without a fault' some how. But As human beings we are messy, and are fallible.

 

[Ziggy]

Praise God for his Patience and Love towards us.
Amen
Hugs

 

[marks]

You still never answered the question though marks: Do you still sin? If your answer is no; then that would make you a liar.

You didn't actually ask whether I still sin. You had asked if there was still sin in me. I intended my reference to sin that still lives in our flesh to answer you.

Do I sin? Sin lives in the flesh. When I walk in the Spirit I do not sin. When I allow the flesh to continue in it's ways, by my not asserting my faith in whatever way, for whatever reason, typically because we blur the line between old man and new man, I think, yes, then I commit sin. Or rather, as sin lives in the flesh, these are the works of the flesh.

I agree though Paul mentions we are to become dead to sin; dead to the law; and alive to Christ.

He does not, at least, not to the reborn. To those who are baptized into Christ, he tells us we have already become dead to sin, and dead to the law, and alive to God in Jesus Christ our Lord.

We are now dead to sin, and alive to God. It doesn't seem like that, because we still listen to the flesh mind, and we need our minds renewed to think in the spirit mind, the mind of Christ.

This is why God tells us to "reckon yourself dead indeed to sin, and alive unto God". Count it to be true. Why? Because it's not, and we are to pretend? Or because it IS true, and we need to start thinking and living according?

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

You didn't actually ask whether I still sin. You had asked if there was still sin in me. I intended my reference to sin that still lives in our flesh to answer you.

Do I sin? Sin lives in the flesh. When I walk in the Spirit I do not sin. When I allow the flesh to continue in it's ways, by my not asserting my faith in whatever way, for whatever reason, typically because we blur the line between old man and new man, I think, yes, then I commit sin. Or rather, as sin lives in the flesh, these are the works of the flesh.

I would agree with you; you only sin when the flesh acts upon it.
Though in the spirit you do not sin because the spirit can not sin because the spirit is Christ Jesus living with in you.

It is not you that is sinning yet it is ; the sin in the flesh that is doing it right. - and sometimes that sin comes and goes in and through life so it would be safe to say that no one in this life is perfect.

What would be the only way to simmer the flesh down but to build up the spirit in faith; and living and walking by the spirit; the sin of the flesh stays down; at least until rises up again and acts. It does not go away forever.

He does not, at least, not to the reborn. To those who are baptized into Christ, he tells us we have already become dead to sin, and dead to the law, and alive to God in Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thank you for the correction Romans 6:11 So you also should consider yourselves to be dead to the power of sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus.

We are now dead to sin, and alive to God. It doesn't seem like that, because we still listen to the flesh mind, and we need our minds renewed to think in the spirit mind, the mind of Christ.

You are right; we become dead to sin (The Flesh): which causes all of these things: 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

but if we live by the spirit we are made alive to God through Christ Jesus which produces what?

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

This is why God tells us to "reckon yourself dead indeed to sin, and alive unto God". Count it to be true. Why? Because it's not, and we are to pretend? Or because it IS true, and we need to start thinking and living according?

Much love!

I would agree to count it true to reckon yourself indeed dead to sin (The Flesh); and alive unto God. (The spirit)

Making our focus towards God and the Lord Jesus Christ our overall focal point in living a life by the spirit and love towards God and Towards Others.

Thank you for your replies mark, they are very insightful and they are true.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, love of God, and the fellowship of the holy spirit be with you, your family, and all of the families here at this forumsite.

 

[MatthewG]

@marks that is a good way to really understand your identity in Christ Jesus : Understand that the spirit inside of you doesn't cause sin; but it is the flesh that does it; though we will never be perfect in the sense of controlling our flesh we have one who is more powerful than us all to help us in controlling our flesh and that by and through the spirit of Christ Jesus/Holy Spirit who gives us strength in help with our struggles we face in the flesh.

Being born again; looking towards God and Jesus; towards heavenly things; living by the spirit and a transformed heart.

 

[marks]

@marks that is a good way to really understand your identity in Christ Jesus : Understand that the spirit inside of you doesn't cause sin; but it is the flesh that does it; though we will never be perfect in the sense of controlling our flesh we have one who is more powerful than us all to help us in controlling our flesh and that by and through the spirit of Christ Jesus/Holy Spirit who gives us strength in help with our struggles we face in the flesh.

Being born again; looking towards God and Jesus; towards heavenly things; living by the spirit and a transformed heart.

And so I'm just as alive unto God - when I'm committing sin - as when I'm not. I am naked before Him Who will judge me. I am alive to Him Who gives me life, and receives and loves me, In Christ.

I say, in Christ, and not in myself, my thoughts or works, only in Jesus' completed work on the cross.

And if I succomb to the flesh, and falter in my faith, yet in those horrid moments, or minutes, or whatever, I remain alive unto God, in Jesus Christ our Lord. I notice when God writes that way, Jesus, the Man Whose life we share, Christ, the Lord of Heaven come to saved us, Lord, our salvation is coming into His Headship, subservient.

Adam's headship was life lived by judging between right and wrong, such life of necessity condemning us by our corruption. Christ's headship is to be conformed to His image, our minds like His, filled with faith and wisdom and power over ourselves.

Those are sobering moments indeed when I find myself doing that which I hate, and remembering God's intimate presence with me, knowing His presence with me, my Father, my Brother, Holy Spirit, angels all around. Because all is finished in Christ, this doesn't have to crush my spirit over my weakness, instead, I can just scramble back to my feet in faith knowing this is the one thing God wants of me in that moment.

To remember that all has been forgiven a long time ago, and that my pardon was purchased by God, for God, because that's what He wants. We are what He wants.

I don't think we ever will be done with the conflict of living in sinful flesh until it is transformed into incorruptibility. I find that in faith, I can overcome all things, but I also find faith does seem to be a gift from God, so I ask Him to increase my faith, just like the disciples did. And I can already hear Him saying, just like the disciples did, Just do what you already know.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God. I think of the Bible like my new DNA, and the more of it that goes into me, the more like Jesus it makes me, renewing my mind, actually rewiring my brain. I find it to be an intolerably slow process! So much for patience!

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

Are you still struggling with sin in your life?

Do you understand that sin has been paid for completely by the Lord Jesus Christ?

Though sin still lives in our bodies it has been taken care of; though our bodies are still in the flesh and the flesh has its own desires and if you are a believer you understand that you are given a spirit. If you are someone who is well knowledgeable about the spirit and the flesh; to those of you who do not I would suggest taking a look at Galatians Chapter 5; and reading it all the way through. Also could suggest Colossians 3.

Though sin still lives in our bodies the only way to simmer it down is by building up the spirit with-in so that the flesh dies with Christ in the grave, and we are raised with Christ into a new creation continuing in active faith and prayer and relationship with the Father and the sun.

It might be hard to understand what Paul is saying here but just take it verse by verse, and see what you think about what Paul is saying; I would suggest even going as far to read Romans 5, 6, 7 and 8 collectively as a whole to get a full contextual understanding of what is being laid out by Paul to the Saints in Rome, in which Paul is writing to them around 52 ad (estimation).

I hope you can find comfort in these scriptures and understand your identity, in Christ Jesus.

7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin.

15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good.

17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.

18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing.

20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. (The battle between the flesh and the spirit).

That describes the life of a Jew in the flesh Romans 7:5 and "under Law" so he's being mastered by sin Romans 6:14 not a Christian who is "not in the flesh but in the Spirit" Romans 8:9. It's not Paul's Christian life because "no covetous man has any inheritance in God's Kingdom", but this guy is full of coveting.

 

[MatthewG]

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