Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...

[Heart2Soul]

I have to ask a question.....who is the one perfecting us and guiding us into the knowledge of His Truth, and chastening us when we are disobedient to His commandments? Phillipians 1:6, Hebrews 12:6, John 16:13
Who is completing the work He began in us after we got saved to the coming of Christ? Phillipians 1:6
What did Jesus say He would do when He returned? 1Corinthians 15:50-54
What did God say about the frailty of man? Psalm 103:14

Psalm 103:14 Commentary best explains it...
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
103:6-14 Truly God is good to all: he is in a special manner good to Israel. He has revealed himself and his grace to them. By his ways we may understand his precepts, the ways he requires us to walk in; and his promises and purposes. He always has been full of compassion. How unlike are those to God, who take every occasion to chide, and never know when to cease! What would become of us, if God should deal so with us? The Scripture says a great deal of the mercy of God, and we all have experienced it. The father pities his children that are weak in knowledge, and teaches them; pities them when they are froward, and bears with them; pities them when they are sick, and comforts them; pities them when they are fallen, and helps them to rise; pities them when they have offended, and, upon their submission, forgives them; pities them when wronged, and rights them: thus the Lord pities those that fear him. See why he pities. He considers the frailty of our bodies, and the folly of our souls, how little we can do, how little we can bear; in all which his compassion appears.

 

[justbyfaith]

Once again you nailed it !Your insights are truly outstanding!

I think that God does not have glory when Christians live a sinful lifestyle...but satan gets the glory.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Sooner or later all sinners have to hear that they are going to hell if they don't repent. Some are going to respond in hate, some in humility. The haters are not to make it so the church thinks no one is ever tell sinners they are under the condemnation of God.

It’s True.....” Ya gotta get them Lost before you can get them Saved”

The problem arises when these Jack-Asses start preaching that the answer to their Lost Condition is to “ repent of sins” as opposed to “Jesus Paid it All “....

We don’t turn “ from” sins to get Saved .....we turn “ TO” God.....the latter is how we accomplish the former....

 

[justbyfaith]

Those that believe in “ cheap Grace” automatically must believe in the “ cheap Blood” that purchased it...That will go over big when you meet Jesus face- to-face.....remind Him about that “ cheap Blood” when you finally see Him...

Jesus' blood is not "cheap" and so it does not purchase the kind of grace that is "cheap".

It purchases the kind of grace that will "make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you..." (1 Peter 5:10-12)...the true grace of God...

We don’t turn “ from” sins to get Saved ...

False doctrine and heresy.

We don’t turn “ from” sins to get Saved .....we turn “ TO” God...

And God is holy...so to turn to God is to turn to holiness and thus away from unholiness / sin.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

@Blood Bought 1953 , why are legalists exempt from the grace of God?

They aren’t.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

However, when we preach the law, conversions will result (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

False conversions for the most part.... many of these “ converts” become “ twice the Sons Of Hell”, Just like Jesus said....they hear nothing about Grace...
They think they are going to get Saved because they “stopped Sinning” and if there are any gaps that need to be filled just in case they slipped up.....” LuckyRepentance” will take care of “ that” problem.....

 

[justbyfaith]

False conversions for the most part..

No, for they are led by the law as a schoolmaster to Christ...

And they are converted (with true conversion; as that is the only kind of conversion spoken of in the Bible).

Psa 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

 

[amigo de christo]

See Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, and 1 John 2:10; all of which teach us that we don't have to stumble or fall.



So, if I don't sin, would that indicate that I am not a sinner? And if not, and I sin because I am a sinner, if I don't sin, doesn't that make me a sinner who doesn't sin?



The real question is not what I would do with them...but what God will do with them...the answer is found in Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41.



Of course, there is a difference between judging and condemning, and declaring what are the judgments of the Lord to those who are condemned by them.



I wrote a song once.

Lord Jesus, I ask You further into my heart...
Come Holy Spirit, I pray, and make me more like You...
(repeat)

Grant me the victory in every battle...
Lord have the victory in every battle...

Lord Jesus, I ask You in my heart...
Lord Jesus, I ask You in my heart.

Becoming more like the Holy Spirit means that by nature we will be doing what He does...and it is His job to convict the world of sin and righteousness and judgment.

So, for me to convict unbelievers by my statements has to do with the fact that I am being conformed to the personality of the Holy Spirit in my own personality.



I don't see that too much any more...I think that people who do that are considered mentally ill and are placed into mental institutions these days.

But when it comes to being on a Christian message board, and doctrine is being discussed, when people are denying the sound doctrines of the Bible that pertain to the sinner going to hell, it is important that the true faith be contended for and that we defend it with our words (see Jude 1:3-4).



Or, the mental hospital. What many Christians do not realize is that if you are bold enough in preaching your faith, the authorities will not put you in jail but they will put you in a situation where you will be conditioned to take drugs...they will addict you to drugs and if you stop taking them they will take you again into the mental hospital where they will re-addict you to those drugs. It is designed to make drug addicts out of zealous believers. People who are dependent on the mental health system.



It is already happening in America; only people aren't going to jail. They are going to the mental hospital.



Not, it would not have covered it.

We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2).

If you don't have faith, you don't have access to grace.

And we are saved by grace (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, if you don't have access to grace, you don't have salvation.



It is not that grace is there only if you don't really need it...it is that grace, if properly applied, will change your life so that the only reason why you even need it any more is so that it can continue to change your life.



That's right.

The prodigal son, when he was away from his father, was both dead and lost (Luke 15:24, Luke 15:32).

See the last line you wrote . About the prodigal son .
Now check this out . Written by paul . BUT she who lives in PLEASURE , aka SIN , IS DEAD WHILE SHE LIVES .
Exactly . THEY KNEW JESUS my friend . And they knew HE came to set us free from sin .
BEING then made free from sin , YE BECAME SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS .
NEVER stop proclaiming truth . FORWARD MARCH , we are headed right into the last and final hour .
And many will be seduced into the great lie of the all inclusive .Instead let The commission that JESUS HIMSELF did give
unto the original apostles , WHICH STATES , Go ye into ALL NATIONS baptizing them in the name of the Father
the Son and the Holy Ghost , TEACHING THEM , TEACHING THEM to OBSERVE , aka DO , ALL things that i have commanded you .be taught .
And all , means ALL . Let no man , woman , or child teach that what JESUS taught back then
no longer applies to us . Suffer not a seducer to teach and to seduce the flock . FORWARD MARCH .
FLOOD THE PLACE with a continuous and wonderous flow of all things , all reminders that both Christ and the apostels would teach .

 

[amigo de christo]

Please don’t! I’m a-scared , I’m a- scared!!!

Dont be feared BB , those words are as honey to the taste . Converting the soul .
There is no warning that is not for our own good , if we but take heed unto it .
Those who are true lambs will love every word HE , or the apostels ever wrote .
For every warning is truly for our own good , but if we heed not the warnings , Prepare to wail on the DAY of the KING .
Ye are saved by grace and not that of yourselves , it truly is the gift of GOD .
Let the the gospel and all things that JESUS did teach and later the apostels would , be engrained upon the heart .
Take every warning to even the seven churches serious . KNOWING that Even the very warnings are grace .
FOR GOD warns FIRST for HIS desire is that none do perish . But if we twist and omit The sayings
OF CHRIST , Let us understand that truly means we twisted and omitted the Words of GOD HIMSELF .
Let us simply learn our bibles . The words of GOD are as honey to the taste , manna to the soul .
And works good unto those who do hear and DO . But let us not decieve ourselves and be hearers and twisters of those sayings .
And what ALL the apostels did write to the churches , well that was spirit inspired . AND IF IT IS SPIRIT INSPIRED
that makes it GOD INSPIRED . Let us flee the tabernacles of men gone wrong and let us as hungry children
be feasting and feasting upon the Holy words in that bible . Let the lambs grow in the grace of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have to ask a question.....who is the one perfecting us and guiding us into the knowledge of His Truth, and chastening us when we are disobedient to His commandments? Phillipians 1:6, Hebrews 12:6, John 16:13
Who is completing the work He began in us after we got saved to the coming of Christ? Phillipians 1:6
What did Jesus say He would do when He returned? 1Corinthians 15:50-54
What did God say about the frailty of man? Psalm 103:14

Psalm 103:14 Commentary best explains it...
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
103:6-14 Truly God is good to all: he is in a special manner good to Israel. He has revealed himself and his grace to them. By his ways we may understand his precepts, the ways he requires us to walk in; and his promises and purposes. He always has been full of compassion. How unlike are those to God, who take every occasion to chide, and never know when to cease! What would become of us, if God should deal so with us? The Scripture says a great deal of the mercy of God, and we all have experienced it. The father pities his children that are weak in knowledge, and teaches them; pities them when they are froward, and bears with them; pities them when they are sick, and comforts them; pities them when they are fallen, and helps them to rise; pities them when they have offended, and, upon their submission, forgives them; pities them when wronged, and rights them: thus the Lord pities those that fear him. See why he pities. He considers the frailty of our bodies, and the folly of our souls, how little we can do, how little we can bear; in all which his compassion appears.

For those who truly are born again they have the SPIRIT . ITS JESUS LEADING THE LAMBS . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
The question all must ask themselves is this .............WHAT JESUS ARE WE FOLLOWING . SEE that is the question indeed .
Cause if our faith is in another jesus , i got some serious news , our end will be such a shock
as we hear , I NEVER KNEW YOU .
The only JESUS i can vouch for , IS THE BIBLICAL ONE . AND DO test and ensure THAT is the JESUS we are following .
Now , LET ALL LEAP UP AND PRAISE the GLORIOUS KING . Lambs have ALL HOPE .
WHY one might ask ..........CAUSE JESUS IS OUR HOPE . NOW SING TO THE KING . And let us get well fed and FAT on those bibles .

 

[mailmandan]

There are genuine Christians and there are nominal/pseudo Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers mixed together on just about any Christian forum site.

 

[amigo de christo]

It’s True.....” Ya gotta get them Lost before you can get them Saved”

The problem arises when these Jack-Asses start preaching that the answer to their Lost Condition is to “ repent of sins” as opposed to “Jesus Paid it All “....

We don’t turn “ from” sins to get Saved .....we turn “ TO” God.....the latter is how we accomplish the former....

God is the one who gives us a whole new heart . WE Dont do that . HE DOES .
Its exactly how it happend to me . one morning i woke up and was living in my sin
that afternoon Grace appeared and GOD drew me to Christ , a whole new desire and a whole new direction was given
And that by GOD HIMSELF . I just cant take any credit for anything , well
i guess in truth i can take credit for this , I EARNED HELL FIRE AND DEATH
Now excuse me while i go praise the BIBLICAL JESUS , FOR IN HIM and BY HIM my end shall be good .
LEARN that biblical JESUS , BB . LEARN HIM , while its true you can say some truths at times
SO COULD I ONCE . I could quoate the gospel as well , YET I WAS STILL LOST BB , I was decieving myself .
OH but praise GOD , HE truly did draw me one day to saving FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST my whole life changed .
BB , you dont sound like JESUS Did on many things you teach , nor like paul or james . And even though
you can quoate the gospel , That scares me , cause it seems you were just like i once was . BB , i was LOST .
SO please return to the bible and learn that pattern well . Let us examine to see if we are truly walking IN THE FAITH
or are we , as i once was , TRUSTING in another jesus . Please BB , you are loved . I say this out of great love
and concern for you . Just start fresh , pick up the Bible and spend hours of joy in it daily .

 

[Heart2Soul]

For those who truly are born again they have the SPIRIT . ITS JESUS LEADING THE LAMBS . LET THE KING BE PRAISED .
The question all must ask themselves is this .............WHAT JESUS ARE WE FOLLOWING . SEE that is the question indeed .
Cause if our faith is in another jesus , i got some serious news , our end will be such a shock
as we hear , I NEVER KNEW YOU .
The only JESUS i can vouch for , IS THE BIBLICAL ONE . AND DO test and ensure THAT is the JESUS we are following .
Now , LET ALL LEAP UP AND PRAISE the GLORIOUS KING . Lambs have ALL HOPE .
WHY one might ask ..........CAUSE JESUS IS OUR HOPE . NOW SING TO THE KING . And let us get well fed and FAT on those bibles .

I trust in His Word and do not lend ear to condemnation...I fully confess I am a sinner saved by grace and that there is no hope for me except that the Blood of Jesus has been shed for me and covers all my sins.
I have not accomplished a life of perfection but I never cease to allow the Holy Spirit to reveal to me any sin in my heart that I am not aware of.
Just yesterday I had a friend ask for help and she would repay me on the 30th....i helped her, and told her not to make any promises of when she will repay me because things may come up where she can't and that would cause me to not trust her promises.

Later the Holy Spirit asked why did you speak in a condescending tone causing embarrassment and condemnation on her?
I repented, apologized to her and asked forgiveness and told her not to worry about paying me back. I need to be humble and remember I was once in need...and at times still am.

So what sin did I commit?
The sin of offense, pride, covetousness and outright esteeming myself above her.

 

[Grailhunter]

I have to ask a question.....who is the one perfecting us and guiding us into the knowledge of His Truth, and chastening us when we are disobedient to His commandments? Phillipians 1:6, Hebrews 12:6, John 16:13
Who is completing the work He began in us after we got saved to the coming of Christ? Phillipians 1:6
What did Jesus say He would do when He returned? 1Corinthians 15:50-54
What did God say about the frailty of man? Psalm 103:14

Psalm 103:14 Commentary best explains it...
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
103:6-14 Truly God is good to all: he is in a special manner good to Israel. He has revealed himself and his grace to them. By his ways we may understand his precepts, the ways he requires us to walk in; and his promises and purposes. He always has been full of compassion. How unlike are those to God, who take every occasion to chide, and never know when to cease! What would become of us, if God should deal so with us? The Scripture says a great deal of the mercy of God, and we all have experienced it. The father pities his children that are weak in knowledge, and teaches them; pities them when they are froward, and bears with them; pities them when they are sick, and comforts them; pities them when they are fallen, and helps them to rise; pities them when they have offended, and, upon their submission, forgives them; pities them when wronged, and rights them: thus the Lord pities those that fear him. See why he pities. He considers the frailty of our bodies, and the folly of our souls, how little we can do, how little we can bear; in all which his compassion appears.

Is there an applause button on this thing?

 

[amigo de christo]

I trust in His Word and do not lend ear to condemnation...I fully confess I am a sinner saved by grace and that there is no hope for me except that the Blood of Jesus has been shed for me and covers all my sins.
I have not accomplished a life of perfection but I never cease to allow the Holy Spirit to reveal to me any sin in my heart that I am not aware of.
Just yesterday I had a friend ask for help and she would repay me on the 30th....i helped her, and told her not to make any promises of when she will repay me because things may come up where she can't and that would cause me to not trust her promises.

Later the Holy Spirit asked why did you speak in a condescending tone causing embarrassment and condemnation on her?
I repented, apologized to her and asked forgiveness and told her not to worry about paying me back. I need to be humble and remember I was once in need...and at times still am.

So what sin did I commit?
The sin of offense, pride, covetousness and outright esteeming myself above her.

Exactly my friend . And its why i have long been saying . IF ONE TRULY has THE HOLY SPIRIT
when or if we err , CONVICTION SETS IN and you have no rest , TILL you repent of the evil .
Very different for those who claim JESUS and YET JUSTIFY SIN . Those are LOST , just like i once was .
FOR if they had the SPIRIT why is there no conviction , why do they justify the evil . THE SPIRIT CONVICTS
us of evil .

 

[Heart2Soul]

Is there an applause button on this thing?

Give God the Glory!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Those that believe in “ cheap Grace” automatically must believe in the “ cheap Blood” that purchased it.

I don't know, do you?

..That will go over big when you meet Jesus face- to-face.....remind Him about that “ cheap Blood” when you finally see Him.....

Uh, I'm not the one that has to worry about that, lol. I'm not the one who believes that God's grace is a license to "do what thou wilt".

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It’s True.....” Ya gotta get them Lost before you can get them Saved”

The problem arises when these Jack-Asses start preaching that the answer to their Lost Condition is to “ repent of sins” as opposed to “Jesus Paid it All “....

We don’t turn “ from” sins to get Saved .....we turn “ TO” God.....the latter is how we accomplish the former....

All of us Protestants know salvation is not earned by repenting of sin. But some don't know that you have to repent to be saved. You can't accept Christ and still have it in mind to continue in your old life. People who truly want to be saved hate their sin. They don't want to live in it anymore. The person who says they want to be saved and stay in their sin is a fake and a phony. You can't be saved without a change of mind about the sin that condemned you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

They aren’t.....

Then why aren't you an instrument of God's grace and understanding to them? I hear nothing but judgmental condemnation from you about them. No mercy, no compassion. You are to them what you claim they are to people. It's quite hypocritical. Just being honest here, guy.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Uh, I'm not the one that has to worry about that, lol. I'm not the one who believes that God's grace is a license to "do what thou w

I agree 100% ....as I have stated many, many times.....

Any Fool that thinks he can Sin and “ get away with it” because Grace covers all of his Sins ( and it DOES if you are a Believer in Jesus) has the Freedom to try it ! In fact..... I Dare them .....Just try to MOCK God and His Grace..... see if God doesn’t take your Sorry Behind to His “ Wood- Shed” ..... I’ve been there a time a two and trust me—— when it’s time to “ straighten out” a Wayward Child Of God.....He don’t play games..... a second trip to that “Wood - Shed” is usually not...necessary .....If God’s Chastisement doesn’t get the job done......He always has the option to drop you dead in your tracks......Salvation intact, if you are a Believer......You are going to be in for a VERY sorrowful , fearful Day when you stand before Jesus to have a Review Of your life and see all of the Crowns that others are receiving and you are not receiving.....

The Bible talks about God “ wiping away the Tears” Of many on Judgement Day ..... He will not be wiping away the tears of the Lost.....they will be crying throughout Eternity....
He will not be “ wiping tears” from the Saved....those that are over- joyed to see His Appearance at the Second Coming.....

There are some Saved people that will NOT be over- joyed to see His Return....they will be scared .....they will feel immense Guilt ....and they will “ Stand Ashamed” Before Him.....they will be crying and that crying will be for good reason....they lived shameful love of disobedience

In the end, after a VERY Terrible Day.....these Disobedient Children will be
Restored, Have their tears “ Wiped Away” and be set loose to enter Heaven...Their Sins “Forgotten” forever.......The Deciding Factor was did you do God’s Will—— did you “ Believe in the One He sent?”

Paul says that we are going to be JUDGED by “ his” Gospel .....That “ Gospel “ is about what God did for Lost Sinners—- it ain't abut what “ you” did for God.... not your church attendance.....not your tithing.....not your Performance in Law- Keeping.....not your avoidance Of Willful Sins......not your ability to remember and Repent Of all of your sins......

That Eternity- Defining Gospel says that Jesus died for your Sins and rose from the Dead......You Must Believe THAT and THAT only.....you Prove you Believe it by Resting in it.....If you ADD to it you Prove That you did NOT REST in it.....You “ Fell From Grace” in your Earthly existence......I guess we will find out on Judgement Day whether or not that “ Fall” translated into one’ s Damnation.....

Why Gamble? If you aren’t Resting in the Gospel—— Resting in the Finished Work Of The Cross—— get on your knees and pray to God That He show you how....God Bless....