Behold
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God always knows what is going to happen.
And regarding the Son of God......the NT says....>>"Jesus KNEW their Thoughts".
He knows yours also., and mine.
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God always knows what is going to happen.
And regarding the Son of God......the NT says....>>"Jesus KNEW their Thoughts".
He knows yours also., and mine.
Rich R
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You are right. Jesus did know their thoughts. That's pretty clear. But knowing what somebody's thinking at the moment is a lot different than knowing what they will think in the future. Not that my ignorance determines truth, but I just don't see anywhere in the scriptures that says God knows what I'll be thinking in the future. Maybe it's there. I don't know. That's why I was wondering if you knew of any verses that clearly say God already knows know what I'll be thinking about 5 minutes from now.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Even before a word is on my tongue, O Lord, you know it completely. You hem me in, behind and before, and lay your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is so high that I cannot attain it" [Psalm 139:1-6 ESV].
Rich R
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The Hebrew for Psalm 139:4 is not totally clear. While the ESV could be the correct translation, other translations say something a bit different. The KJV says, "For [there is] not a word in my tongue, [but], lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether." The ISV says, "Even before I have formed a word with my tongue, you, Lord, know it completely!" Since we have to think before speaking, these seem to say that God does know our current thought before speaking it. Not quite the same as God knowing what I might think in the future. He just knows what I'm currently thinking. That much I can see. Plus it fits with several other verses that indicate God is not sure of what some person or another might do in the future. A few examples:
Jer 36:3,
It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
Jer 36:7,
It may be they will present their supplication before the LORD, and will return every one from his evil way: for great [is] the anger and the fury that the LORD hath pronounced against this people.
Ezek 12:3, Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight: it may be they will consider, though they [be] a rebellious house.
There are also many times where God changes His mind about something because the people changed their behavior. One example of that is God regretting that He made Saul king (1 Sam 15:35).
It's usually not a good idea to build a doctrine on just one verse. That is especially true when there are many clear verses that say something different and when the interpretation from the original language is not totally clear as is the case for Psalm 139:4.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Indeed, yes, that’s the scripture I posted.
Who teaches us to do that?
Thank you for voicing your opinion.
I believe God knows exactly what I’m going to say, do in the future, this is an open discussion , I’m talking about, when we are Born Again, I’m not talking about reading the Bible as a story.
( not saying that you’re doing that).
Do you think God will change his mind after we become Born Again?
Do you think that imperishable seed that we are Born Again of, can be ever taken away?
Even after we received it by divine heart revelation ?
Rich said.
Plus it fits with several other verses that indicate God is not sure of what some person or another might do in the future. A few examples:
The house of Judah, what has the house of Judah got to do with our hearing God, from within our heart/ spirit?
We aren’t under God’s wrath as spirit children, were under grace.
Whose he talking to there? His Born Again children?
I can’t see anything there, which refers to God, not seeing what we will say in the future . I’ve just voiced my opinion on the scripture you posted..no more valid than your own opinion.
Hebrews 4:12New King James Version (NKJV) For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
We’re Born Again children, in the will of God.?
We’re in the Spirit Of God, our spirit is in God, we’re his spirit children..are you with me?
He’s in our spirit guiding us to do his will all day every day, do you believe that?
We’re under his lead..also imo, if God gives us heart revelation, which imo, is him revealing his future will to our heart, in a certain area, he can show us ,if he chooses to do so......that’s my belief....it can never be thwarted..as it’s Gods will.....God has showed me an area in my future , by divine heart revelation.
It can’t be proved, but, I don’t need to prove it..I just keep looking to God, as he’s preparing me to receive what he showed me, by divine heart revelation....we all have our own testimonies my friend.
Did God not know beforehand , until the day he died, what was coming out of his mouth,Jesus that is?
From the beginning to the end of Jesus ministry..?
God knows beginning to end of s persons life..I’ve just voiced my opinion.
Never try and dismiss another members opinion.took God a long time to get me to understand that..
Nothing wrong in disagreeing with a member, but, when we tell them that their opinion is wrong..what do you think we have just done to them?
Not sure what you mean here, not sure what Saul has got to do with us, under the New Covenant.?
We aren’t living in Saul time, I still believe we can have a testimony like he did, on how God made himself known to him, by divine heart revelation.
Can you explain how God can change his mind to his spirit children of today, his Born Again children....how would he relay to his children, that he’s changed his mind?
Never limit God to one’s own understanding.which imo, many of us do.
May I ask, who is building a doctrine Onjust one verse?
That is especially true for what “you” believe doctrine to be saying.
Only the Spirit can teach his children...
You say God changes his mind..ah, but we’re talking about today, aren’t we we?
God teaches us about our behaviour does he not?
We are being conformed into Jesus image, do you think he would change his mind about that, because of our behaviour.?
How do you think God is conforming you or I into the image of Jesus, ?
Do you think that ,by just reading our bible that will happen, or by posting scripture verses.....what must we be, before we can even start to understand scripture ?
Remember what God says about the natural man, how true is that?...
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
If God knows the beginning to the end of our lives, then he will know, what comes out of our mouth, from beginning to end, before we have even said it.until the day we die..that is my opinion.
Another thing..doctrine can’t birth you in the Spirit...that can only happen by divine heart revelation...
Another thing..doctrine can’t birth you in the Spirit...that can only happen by divine heart revelation...
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Yes, you have just voiced your opinion on said scripture.
To which I have disagreed with above...once again, a difference of opinion...no doubt many more who will disagree with our opinions...
Behold
Well-Known Member
Notice that the bible "knows" that the Rapture, and the Trib and the 2nd Advent, and the Millennial reign of Christ are to happen later?
So, if God knows all this, and the Holy Spirit dictated it as the Bible, then we can rest assured that God knows what we are going to think next and do next.
Rich R
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Well, the scriptures do indeed tell us about Jesus' second advent as you've described it. But I still don't see where they say God knows what I'll be thinking and doing even 1 minute from now. He'll sure enough know when the time comes, but that is a lot different than knowing ahead of time. I'd change my mind in a heart beat if I saw it from the scriptures.
Behold
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Before Lucifer was created, God knew that Adam would fall.
Before you were born, God knew if you would come to the Cross of Christ with your sin, and receive forgiveness, or if you wouldn't and just ended up water baptized, religious, but lost.
When Jesus was talking to the "woman at the well" He told her...."and you have had 5 husbands, and the man you are with now is not your husband".
(She never told Him that).
And Jesus said to Peter, just before Jesus ascended back into Heaven.... that He would end up on a Cross....,. John 21.
That happened when Peter was an old man.
So, Your thoughts and your deeds are known by God and Son.....always.
Behold
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A sinner, hears the Gospel.
The Holy Spirit reveals Jesus who will forgive their sin.
Then..."faith comes by HEARING", this Gospel....and the Hearer, now enlightened.... will trust in Christ or they will not.
If they choose to believe, (Trusted in Christ)... now that they KNOW the Truth that has been revealed to them by the Holy Spirit, then God will now forgive all their sin, and then once they are forgiven..('made free from sin").... .God then gives them the "new birth", and they become a "new creation in Christ".
Behold
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A sinner... hears the Gospel...(This is why Preachers exist)......and the sinner is born again, = after they give God their Faith in Christ.
This is why they are called a "Believer".
God then accepts THEIR faith, and then forgives all their Sin.. .. and THEN being now "made free from Sin" .. HOLY GOD wil join them to Himself, by spiritual birth. = BORN....again.
Noone has told you that the Gospel's births a spirit.
The gospel is the "preaching of the Cross" that the sinner HEARS.
ThePuffyBlob
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It may be your beliefs, but living by them is another matter. So, are you living in your beliefs? Are you currently there?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
once a sinner has been brought to believe in Jesus by God, they must also be brought to Godly sorrow/ repentance by God, before their spirit can be birthed by the Holy Spirit.you don’t need any preacher to teach you the gospel ,we only need to know the name of Jesus..
I wasn’t born Of the cross either, you can only understand the cross, once our spirit is Born Again..the Holy Spirit is the witness of the cross, the gospel is the good news , that Jesus came and taught all about God, His word is Alive and Active, that is how we become Born Of His seed, hearing the gospel is not the same as being Born Of The Spirit...we are Born Of The Spirit, the exact way that God explains it, our spirit is birthed into the Holy Spirit,Faith is a gift from God, he also brings us to believe in Jesus...God says, we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..he does not say, give me your faith , he doesn’t say I accept your faith, then join them to himself , none of that is biblical..
Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we are Born Again ,the Spirit is everywhere, you never know the time or place he decides to make your spirit Born Again...we were chosen and predestined to become children of God.
To hear the good news of the gospel and have understanding of the gospel, you must be Born Again, then the Spirit is the witness of the good news, who came to preach Gods word 2;000 years ago..
Our spirit must have the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit.. the gospel is explained in Gods word, hearing the gospel does not bring one’s spirit Alive in Christ, it does not birth our spirit...only the Living Holy Spirit can do that...
No one can say Jesus is Lord only by the Holy Spirit, as His word says.
Once you are Born Again, it’s the role of the Holy Spirit to lead you through scripture and bring it to our understanding.
Why, because we are a child of God and have the permanent indwelling of the Spirit in our spirit...that is where he resides and he immediately starts work in our hearts, the moment we are Born Of God’s seed.
I wasn’t born Of the cross either, you can only understand the cross, once our spirit is Born Again..the Holy Spirit is the witness of the cross, the gospel is the good news , that Jesus came and taught all about God, His word is Alive and Active, that is how we become Born Of His seed, hearing the gospel is not the same as being Born Of The Spirit...we are Born Of The Spirit, the exact way that God explains it, our spirit is birthed into the Holy Spirit,Faith is a gift from God, he also brings us to believe in Jesus...God says, we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..he does not say, give me your faith , he doesn’t say I accept your faith, then join them to himself , none of that is biblical..
Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we are Born Again ,the Spirit is everywhere, you never know the time or place he decides to make your spirit Born Again...we were chosen and predestined to become children of God.
To hear the good news of the gospel and have understanding of the gospel, you must be Born Again, then the Spirit is the witness of the good news, who came to preach Gods word 2;000 years ago..
Our spirit must have the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit.. the gospel is explained in Gods word, hearing the gospel does not bring one’s spirit Alive in Christ, it does not birth our spirit...only the Living Holy Spirit can do that...
No one can say Jesus is Lord only by the Holy Spirit, as His word says.
Once you are Born Again, it’s the role of the Holy Spirit to lead you through scripture and bring it to our understanding.
Why, because we are a child of God and have the permanent indwelling of the Spirit in our spirit...that is where he resides and he immediately starts work in our hearts, the moment we are Born Of God’s seed.
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Here is the truth.
the word used is whom He foreknew as in a relationship of love, it is not about what they did as in receiving or not Christ.
And it all about the plan of God for the one He loves with His great love as Ephesians 1 and 2 say.
Those He has a high calling in Christ for, they have a great love for God because He loved them first.
1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us.
Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Acts 15
10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus [b]Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’
The gospel went out to the Gentiles, the rest of mankind,
then God specifies further all the gentiles who are called by ME
Then it says it is the LORD who does all these things.
Behold
Well-Known Member
You combined 2 verses to teach confusion..
So, where Calvin lost his mind, was trying to understand "God's foreknowledge"
He never did understand it, and he died horribly as Calvinists often do because they believe that they are predestined to have the cancer, etc....., and Calvin was still ignorant of the understanding of the definition of "Foreknowledge" as he took his last painful breath.
See, Calvin redefined "Fore-knowledge" as "Pre-destined" and that is the core ROT of his "doctrine of Devils".
Reader/..., the verse said that God FOREKNEW................not God Pre-destined.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
What does the above mean?
The Born Again have been grafted into the true vine by God...by His Spirit.
I only understand being Born Of The Spirit.as I was Born Again by divine heart revelation...I have no idea what this gospel call means?
It certainly isn’t saying one is Born Again, God has already explained how that happens..how we are Born Of The Spirit.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Of course he loved us first, when he birthed us in the Spirit, his love overwhelms our heart, there is no love to compare with Gods Love..it’s mind blowing.
He never stops loving us either, it just gets much deeper our love for him.
Jesus had told his disciples to only go to Israel
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven [a]is at hand.’
But after the resurrection, the command was changed to include the gentiles, to the ends of the earth.
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Thanks for trying to help.
Everyone understands scripture very differently, so, I’m just going to stick with the Lord , only he can bring scripture to my understanding. the main thing is, I know in my spirit how I became Born Again, I don’t think there is any point in trying or in a few cases, forcing others to believe as they do and let’s be honest we’ve all done it, and still doing it, reading this thread.
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