Yahavah's name, God's name. Is it important? Did God deem it important?

[MatthewG]

I don’t like watching debates and stuff. It never is edifying. It’s just two different points argued. My point was to never debate anyone here. Just share the facts concerning even the “one you claim you follow” Jesus, made Yahavahs name known.

There is no denying that. It’s a reality, of course unless Jesus didn’t exist of course. And we just read of him as some character in a book.

That right there might be a huge problem, especially with regards of doctrines that get worshipped too.

 

[Johann]

I don’t like watching debates and stuff. It never is edifying. It’s just two different points argued.

(1) The NT writings often use the terms, God and Lord, interchangeably to denote the one true God, just as the following examples illustrate:

“Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time until the Lord comes. He will bring to light the hidden things of darkness and will reveal the purposes of the hearts. Then everyone will have commendation from God.” 1 Corinthians 4:5

“But as God has given to every man and as the Lord has called every man, so let him walk. This I command in all churches.” 1 Corinthians 7:17

“What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: ‘I will live in them and walk in them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people.’ Therefore, ‘Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.’ ‘I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.’” 2 Corinthians 6:16-18

“Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘Vengeance is Mine. I will repay,’ says the Lord.” Romans 12:19

“He who observes the day observes it for the Lord, and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat, in honor of the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.” Romans 14:6

“For it is written: ‘As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.’” Romans 14:11

“that you may walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, pleasing to all, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God,” Colossians 1:10

“Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may quickly spread and be glorified, even as it did with you. And pray that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men, for not all men have faith. But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one. We have confidence in the Lord concerning you, that you are doing and will do the things which we command you. May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ.” 2 Thessalonians 3:1-5

The foregoing highlights the fact that Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:6 is merely using two different divine titles/names to both distinguish the Father and the Son, and affirm their essential unity as the one true God of all. The Apostle’s intention in using Lord wasn’t to demote Christ to the level of a creature, or a lesser god, but to affirm his being the unique Son of God who is one with the Father in essence, glory, and honor.

(2) There is a textual variant in the manuscripts where Jesus is not only identified as both Despotes and Kyrios, but also as Theos (God)!

“For there are certain men who crept in secretly, even those who were long ago written about for this condemnation: ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into indecency, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ (ton monon Despoten Theon kai Kyrion hemon ‘Iesoun Christon).” WEB

The following textual note, though commenting on the reading that omits the word “God”, is still helpful in explaining the meaning of this verse in general:

20tc Most later witnesses (P Ψ M sy) have θεόν (theon, “God”) after δεσπότην (despotēn, “master”), which appears to be a motivated reading in that it explicitly links “Master” to “God” in keeping with the normal NT pattern (see Luke 2:29; Acts 4:24; 2 Tim 2:21; Rev 6:10). In patristic Greek, δεσπότης (despotēs) was used especially of God (cf. BDAG 220 s.v. 1.b.). The earlier and better witnesses (P72,78 א A B C 0251 33 81 323 1241 1739 al co) lack θεόν; the shorter reading is thus preferred on both internal and external grounds.

sn The Greek term for Master (δεσπότης, despotēs) is the same term the author of 2 Peter used (2 Pet 2:1) to describe his Lord when he prophesied about these false teachers. Since δεσπότης is used only ten times in the NT, the verbal connection between these two books at this juncture is striking. This is especially so since both Peter and Jude speak of these false teachers as denying the Master (both using the same verb). The basic difference is that Peter is looking to the future, while Jude is arguing that these false teachers are here now.

tn The terms “Master and Lord” both refer to the same person. The construction in Greek is known as the Granville Sharp rule, named after the English philanthropist-linguist who first clearly articulated the rule in 1798. Sharp pointed out that in the construction article-noun-καί-noun (where καί [kai] = “and”), when two nouns are singular, personal, and common (i.e., not proper names), they always had the same referent. Illustrations such as “the friend and brother,” “the God and Father,” etc. abound in the NT to prove Sharp’s point. For more discussion see ExSyn 270-78. See also Titus 2:13 and 2 Pet 1:1. (NET Bible https://netbible.org/bible/Jude+1; underline emphasis ours)

We, thus, have the risen Christ identified as the sovereign Lord God of all believers, which simply reinforces his identity as Israel’s one and only Lord. The only reason why anyone would object to this identification is due to one’s abject refusal to accept the plain, explicit biblical revelation of Jesus being Yahweh God Incarnate.

It appears you don't "like" anything you do not agree with.

 

[MatthewG]

(1) The NT writings often use the terms, God and Lord, interchangeably to denote the one true God, just as the following examples illustrate:

“Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time until the Lord comes. He will bring to light the hidden things of darkness and will reveal the purposes of the hearts. Then everyone will have commendation from God.” 1 Corinthians 4:5

“But as God has given to every man and as the Lord has called every man, so let him walk. This I command in all churches.” 1 Corinthians 7:17

“What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: ‘I will live in them and walk in them. I will be their God, and they shall be My people.’ Therefore, ‘Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.’ ‘I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.’” 2 Corinthians 6:16-18

“Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to God’s wrath, for it is written: ‘Vengeance is Mine. I will repay,’ says the Lord.” Romans 12:19

“He who observes the day observes it for the Lord, and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat, in honor of the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.” Romans 14:6

“For it is written: ‘As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.’” Romans 14:11

“that you may walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, pleasing to all, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God,” Colossians 1:10

“Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may quickly spread and be glorified, even as it did with you. And pray that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men, for not all men have faith. But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one. We have confidence in the Lord concerning you, that you are doing and will do the things which we command you. May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ.” 2 Thessalonians 3:1-5

The foregoing highlights the fact that Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:6 is merely using two different divine titles/names to both distinguish the Father and the Son, and affirm their essential unity as the one true God of all. The Apostle’s intention in using Lord wasn’t to demote Christ to the level of a creature, or a lesser god, but to affirm his being the unique Son of God who is one with the Father in essence, glory, and honor.

(2) There is a textual variant in the manuscripts where Jesus is not only identified as both Despotes and Kyrios, but also as Theos (God)!

“For there are certain men who crept in secretly, even those who were long ago written about for this condemnation: ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into indecency, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ (ton monon Despoten Theon kai Kyrion hemon ‘Iesoun Christon).” WEB

The following textual note, though commenting on the reading that omits the word “God”, is still helpful in explaining the meaning of this verse in general:

20tc Most later witnesses (P Ψ M sy) have θεόν (theon, “God”) after δεσπότην (despotēn, “master”), which appears to be a motivated reading in that it explicitly links “Master” to “God” in keeping with the normal NT pattern (see Luke 2:29; Acts 4:24; 2 Tim 2:21; Rev 6:10). In patristic Greek, δεσπότης (despotēs) was used especially of God (cf. BDAG 220 s.v. 1.b.). The earlier and better witnesses (P72,78 א A B C 0251 33 81 323 1241 1739 al co) lack θεόν; the shorter reading is thus preferred on both internal and external grounds.

sn The Greek term for Master (δεσπότης, despotēs) is the same term the author of 2 Peter used (2 Pet 2:1) to describe his Lord when he prophesied about these false teachers. Since δεσπότης is used only ten times in the NT, the verbal connection between these two books at this juncture is striking. This is especially so since both Peter and Jude speak of these false teachers as denying the Master (both using the same verb). The basic difference is that Peter is looking to the future, while Jude is arguing that these false teachers are here now.

tn The terms “Master and Lord” both refer to the same person. The construction in Greek is known as the Granville Sharp rule, named after the English philanthropist-linguist who first clearly articulated the rule in 1798. Sharp pointed out that in the construction article-noun-καί-noun (where καί [kai] = “and”), when two nouns are singular, personal, and common (i.e., not proper names), they always had the same referent. Illustrations such as “the friend and brother,” “the God and Father,” etc. abound in the NT to prove Sharp’s point. For more discussion see ExSyn 270-78. See also Titus 2:13 and 2 Pet 1:1. (NET Bible Jude 1; underline emphasis ours)

We, thus, have the risen Christ identified as the sovereign Lord God of all believers, which simply reinforces his identity as Israel’s one and only Lord. The only reason why anyone would object to this identification is due to one’s abject refusal to accept the plain, explicit biblical revelation of Jesus being Yahweh God Incarnate.

It appears you don't "like" anything you do not agree with.

I don’t like that you can just form a few sentences and talk without quoting all this stuff as though these commentators are your Lord than the real Lord Jesus Christ.

Otherwise I think you would have just left onwards long ago.

I’m not required to read all this, my blood ain’t on some contract with you or the hills you desire to die on, @Johann.

None of these things makes you right before God like the faith you have or say you do.

Faith makes a person right because of Yeshua, with Yahavah.

 

[MatthewG]

Debates don’t make a person look any better or worse in front of God, so to me they are stupid. I say fin op o lay!

 

[Johann]

I don’t like that you can just form a few sentences and talk without quoting all this stuff as though these commentators are your Lord than the real Lord Jesus Christ.

ADONAY YHWH BECOMES FLESH


Christ speaks of the time when he would personally send forth prophets that would prophesy in his name. Jesus further warned against those who would call him “Lord, Lord,” while failing to obey his commandments:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie),’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie), in Your name did we not prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23

“Now why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie),’ and do not do what I say?” Luke 6:46

“On account of this, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will flog in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,” Matthew 23:34

To say that these are all remarkable assertions would be putting it mildly since the Hebrew Bible proclaims that true prophets are sent forth by YHWH to prophesy in his name, and not in the name of some other god!

“Yahweh your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers; you shall listen to him. This is according to all that you asked of Yahweh your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God; let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.’ And Yahweh said to me, ‘They have spoken well. I will raise up a prophet from among their brothers like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And it will be that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ Now you may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” Deuteronomy 18:15-22

“‘So do not listen to the words of the prophets who speak to you, saying, “You will not serve the king of Babylon,” for they prophesy a lie to you; for I have not sent them,’ declares Yahweh, ‘but they prophesy a lie in My name, in order that I may banish you and that you may perish, you and the prophets who prophesy to you.” Jeremiah 27:14-15

“For thus says Yahweh of hosts, the God of Israel, ‘Do not let your prophets who are in your midst and your diviners deceive you, and do not listen to your dreams which you dream. For they prophesy a lie to you in My name; I have not sent them,’ declares Yahweh.” Jeremiah 29:8-9

“And it will be that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who gave birth to him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, for you have spoken falsely in the name of Yahweh’; and his father and mother who gave birth to him will pierce him through when he prophesies.” Zechariah 13:3

Even more remarkable is the fact that the phrase Jesus employed, “Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie),” is found in the LXX in reference to YHWH himself. This expression is used as the Greek translation of the Hebrew phrase Adonay YHWH/YHWH Adonay!

I again include either the Greek phrase or the entire Greek rendering from the LXX so the readers can see this for themselves:

“And it happened when it had completed eating the vegetation of the land, that I said, ‘Lord Yahweh (kyrie kyrie), please pardon! How can Jacob rise up, For he is small?’” Amos 7:2

“May those who hope for You not be ashamed through me, O Lord Yahweh of hosts; May those who seek You not be dishonored through me, O God of Israel,” Psalm 69:6

“Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord of hosts (kyrie kyrie ton dynameon), be ashamed on my account: let not them that seek thee, be ashamed on my account, O God of Israel.” Psalm 68:7 LXX

“But as for You, O Yahweh, O Lord, deal with me for Your name’s sake; Because Your lovingkindness is good, deliver me;” Psalm 109:21

“But thou, O Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie), deal mercifully with me, for thy name’s sake: for thy mercy is good.” Psalm 108:21 LXX

“O Yahweh, O Lord, the strength of my salvation, You have covered my head in the day of battle.” Psalm 140:7

“O Lord God (kyrie kyrie), the strength of my salvation; thou hast screened my head in the day of battle.” Psalm 139:8 LXX

“For my eyes are toward You, O Yahweh, O Lord; In You I take refuge; do not pour out my soul to death.” Psalm 141:8

“For mine eyes are to thee, O Lord God (kyrie kyrie): I have hoped in thee; take not away my life.” Psalm 140:8 LXX

This again reinforces the fact that Jesus is that very YHWH God who became a human being for our redemption!

There’s simply no way of getting around this revealed truth of the God-breathed Scriptures.

Unless noted otherwise, scriptural citations taken from the Legacy Standard Bible (LSB).

FURTHER READING

The Binitarian Nature of the Shema [Part 7]

Jesus, the Lord God who sends forth the prophets

Jesus Is indeed God Incarnate Which Is Why He Is Able To Forgive Sins! Pt. 2

JUDE TESTIFIES THAT JESUS IS YHWH ALMIGHTY!

Jesus Christ: The Lord God Who Saved and Punished Israel During the Exodus

The Quran Confirms that Jude Identifies Jesus Christ as God in the Flesh!

UNITARIANS PROVE THE FATHER ISN’T THE TRUE GOD

JESUS: THE ONE AND ONLY ADONAY YHWH

According to the inspired Scriptures, the risen heavenly Jesus is the believers’ only Master and Lord: “For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for th…

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[JohnDB]

I guess that’s my biggest issue, with those who suggest you shouldn’t even try to speak Gods name…

You claim to follow Jesus, and that he lives in you and your abide in him and you pray to God in Jesus name…

And the one you say you follow made his Fathers name known!

Why can’t other followers of Yeshua make the Fathers name known?


Okay. That happens sometimes, sorry bout that… may your recovery be swift.

It’s just a conversation, not a fight right. :)

Correct....
The esophagus thing has been ongoing for years now....

And I'm not gonna knock your decision to try to use the Hebrew version of God's tag name. (Kep*has vx Peter is two language variants of the same name of the Apostolic leader and both used in scripture....I put in the asterisk so you wouldn't put an "f" in his name)

But I used Peter's name as an example....
Both are used in scripture....both are acceptable. We usually use "Peter" instead of "Kephas" because most know him by the Latin version of his name instead of Hebrew.
Where Peter doesn't say anything about it today we don't use "Rock" or "Stone" as his name either as we have some of the oddest naming conventions here in American culture. And considering that we are a cultural melting pot of people....you would think that we would be better at it.

Trust me as to how confusing it gets when researching original languages in scriptures.

 

[MatthewG]

ADONAY YHWH BECOMES FLESH


Christ speaks of the time when he would personally send forth prophets that would prophesy in his name. Jesus further warned against those who would call him “Lord, Lord,” while failing to obey his commandments:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie),’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie), in Your name did we not prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23

“Now why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie),’ and do not do what I say?” Luke 6:46

“On account of this, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will flog in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,” Matthew 23:34

To say that these are all remarkable assertions would be putting it mildly since the Hebrew Bible proclaims that true prophets are sent forth by YHWH to prophesy in his name, and not in the name of some other god!

“Yahweh your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers; you shall listen to him. This is according to all that you asked of Yahweh your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God; let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.’ And Yahweh said to me, ‘They have spoken well. I will raise up a prophet from among their brothers like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And it will be that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ Now you may say in your heart, ‘How will we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” Deuteronomy 18:15-22

“‘So do not listen to the words of the prophets who speak to you, saying, “You will not serve the king of Babylon,” for they prophesy a lie to you; for I have not sent them,’ declares Yahweh, ‘but they prophesy a lie in My name, in order that I may banish you and that you may perish, you and the prophets who prophesy to you.” Jeremiah 27:14-15

“For thus says Yahweh of hosts, the God of Israel, ‘Do not let your prophets who are in your midst and your diviners deceive you, and do not listen to your dreams which you dream. For they prophesy a lie to you in My name; I have not sent them,’ declares Yahweh.” Jeremiah 29:8-9

“And it will be that if anyone still prophesies, then his father and mother who gave birth to him will say to him, ‘You shall not live, for you have spoken falsely in the name of Yahweh’; and his father and mother who gave birth to him will pierce him through when he prophesies.” Zechariah 13:3

Even more remarkable is the fact that the phrase Jesus employed, “Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie),” is found in the LXX in reference to YHWH himself. This expression is used as the Greek translation of the Hebrew phrase Adonay YHWH/YHWH Adonay!

I again include either the Greek phrase or the entire Greek rendering from the LXX so the readers can see this for themselves:

“And it happened when it had completed eating the vegetation of the land, that I said, ‘Lord Yahweh (kyrie kyrie), please pardon! How can Jacob rise up, For he is small?’” Amos 7:2

“May those who hope for You not be ashamed through me, O Lord Yahweh of hosts; May those who seek You not be dishonored through me, O God of Israel,” Psalm 69:6

“Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord of hosts (kyrie kyrie ton dynameon), be ashamed on my account: let not them that seek thee, be ashamed on my account, O God of Israel.” Psalm 68:7 LXX

“But as for You, O Yahweh, O Lord, deal with me for Your name’s sake; Because Your lovingkindness is good, deliver me;” Psalm 109:21

“But thou, O Lord, Lord (kyrie kyrie), deal mercifully with me, for thy name’s sake: for thy mercy is good.” Psalm 108:21 LXX

“O Yahweh, O Lord, the strength of my salvation, You have covered my head in the day of battle.” Psalm 140:7

“O Lord God (kyrie kyrie), the strength of my salvation; thou hast screened my head in the day of battle.” Psalm 139:8 LXX

“For my eyes are toward You, O Yahweh, O Lord; In You I take refuge; do not pour out my soul to death.” Psalm 141:8

“For mine eyes are to thee, O Lord God (kyrie kyrie): I have hoped in thee; take not away my life.” Psalm 140:8 LXX

This again reinforces the fact that Jesus is that very YHWH God who became a human being for our redemption!

There’s simply no way of getting around this revealed truth of the God-breathed Scriptures.

Unless noted otherwise, scriptural citations taken from the Legacy Standard Bible (LSB).

FURTHER READING

The Binitarian Nature of the Shema [Part 7]

Jesus, the Lord God who sends forth the prophets

Jesus Is indeed God Incarnate Which Is Why He Is Able To Forgive Sins! Pt. 2

JUDE TESTIFIES THAT JESUS IS YHWH ALMIGHTY!

Jesus Christ: The Lord God Who Saved and Punished Israel During the Exodus

The Quran Confirms that Jude Identifies Jesus Christ as God in the Flesh!

UNITARIANS PROVE THE FATHER ISN’T THE TRUE GOD

JESUS: THE ONE AND ONLY ADONAY YHWH

According to the inspired Scriptures, the risen heavenly Jesus is the believers’ only Master and Lord: “For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for th…

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Don't respond or on ignore you WILL go.

Please just ignore me. Jesus was the Word of God.

 

[MatthewG]

Correct....
The esophagus thing has been ongoing for years now....

And I'm not gonna knock your decision to try to use the Hebrew version of God's tag name. (Kep*has vx Peter is two language variants of the same name of the Apostolic leader and both used in scripture....I put in the asterisk so you wouldn't put an "f" in his name)

But I used Peter's name as an example....
Both are used in scripture....both are acceptable. We usually use "Peter" instead of "Kephas" because most know him by the Latin version of his name instead of Hebrew.
Where Peter doesn't say anything about it today we don't use "Rock" or "Stone" as his name either as we have some of the oddest naming conventions here in American culture. And considering that we are a cultural melting pot of people....you would think that we would be better at it.

Trust me as to how confusing it gets when researching original languages in scriptures.

I just love Yahavah and the Lord Jesus bro.

All the best. I wanna go back to teaching. Going on now next Friday three weeks without meth!!

 

[MatthewG]

I’m so glad to be meth free now for 16 days and I only have Yahavah to thank for it, in the name of Yeshua. It’s been a rough year worth of meth abuse @JohnDB. Anyway have a good day buddy, and idk about the esophagus thing you can’t eat certain foods?

 

[JohnDB]

I’m so glad to be meth free now for 16 days and I only have Yahavah to thank for it, in the name of Yeshua. It’s been a rough year worth of meth abuse @JohnDB. Anyway have a good day buddy, and idk about the esophagus thing you can’t eat certain foods?

The esophagus recovery thing is a joke dude!.

Don't get me wrong...
The name thing....I get it.
You need to be highly structured. It's part of the recovery process.

Just remember that if you got something wrong along the way it's not an unforgivable.
BTW...
What part of the country are you in?

 

[MatthewG]

The esophagus recovery thing is a joke dude!.

Don't get me wrong...
The name thing....I get it.
You need to be highly structured. It's part of the recovery process.

Just remember that if you got something wrong along the way it's not an unforgivable.
BTW...
What part of the country are you in?

Like I stated. Im not a stickler. This topic has been brought forth to me in my life, and therefore other people in their life information has now been brought forth. It's all about learning about God, right? Seeking him in faith? walking in faith, and keeping in step with the Spirit.

No one is perfect, No one has got everything down just right, Everyone is continuing to learn, and grow hopefully as they abide and Yahavah, produces the growing in rewards to those who seek him, building up spiritual treasures in heaven as opposed to the treasures here on earth stored away and rusting.

:) I don't think it is I love my mother first. I love my brother first. "Love God (Yahavah), [first.], will your mind, all your heart, and all your strength?"

I think your whole joke, is kind twisted and sick @JohnDB, but perhaps that is your humor. Because you lied to me... and that wasn't very funny... Ive coursed and joked around many times, but I took your statement seriously (which is maybe my fault but I can't catch stuff like that.) Forgiveable, yes, but still found it to be shocking to be a lie.

I just recently been hurt by a co-worker and his abusive omissions. I cut all ties with him yesterday. If I see him again I’ll be cordial but trusting him is gonna be very hard. And I’m not saying I can’t be mean and abusive.

Perhaps this how one can see the fruit one is producing, I don’t produce great fruit all the time sometimes it is indeed bad fruit.

 

[JohnDB]

Like I stated. Im not a stickler. This topic has been brought forth to me in my life, and therefore other people in their life information has now been brought forth. It's all about learning about God, right? Seeking him in faith? walking in faith, and keeping in step with the Spirit.

No one is perfect, No one has got everything down just right, Everyone is continuing to learn, and grow hopefully as they abide and Yahavah, produces the growing in rewards to those who seek him, building up spiritual treasures in heaven as opposed to the treasures here on earth stored away and rusting.

:) I don't think it is I love my mother first. I love my brother first. "Love God (Yahavah), [first.], will your mind, all your heart, and all your strength?"

I think your whole joke, is kind twisted and sick @JohnDB, but perhaps that is your humor. Because you lied to me... and that wasn't very funny... Ive coursed and joked around many times, but I took your statement seriously (which is maybe my fault but I can't catch stuff like that.) Forgiveable, yes, but still found it to be shocking to be a lie.

I just recently been hurt by a co-worker and his abusive omissions. I cut all ties with him yesterday. If I see him again I’ll be cordial but trusting him is gonna be very hard. And I’m not saying I can’t be mean and abusive.

Perhaps this how one can see the fruit one is producing, I don’t produce great fruit all the time sometimes it is indeed bad fruit.

Well my lighthearted joke obviously lost something in the two dimensional world of posting....my bad.
I wasn't looking to cause anything....except maybe a smirk on your face at my expense and not yours. It was an attempt at positive humor...not the bad sort where someone is made to feel bad.

But I was thinking that if you were in the Middle TN area I know some guys that can help you in a positive way. Because some of the fights you are fighting right now are best done with friends. And they are really good guys...they have a similar passion for God as you have expressed and I have seen posted by you on this forum.

 

[MatthewG]

Well my lighthearted joke obviously lost something in the two dimensional world of posting....my bad.
I wasn't looking to cause anything....except maybe a smirk on your face at my expense and not yours. It was an attempt at positive humor...not the bad sort where someone is made to feel bad.

But I was thinking that if you were in the Middle TN area I know some guys that can help you in a positive way. Because some of the fights you are fighting right now are best done with friends. And they are really good guys...they have a similar passion for God as you have expressed and I have seen posted by you on this forum.

No good friend jokes, with lying intentions. That’s just a statement from the Bible. I just noting it on your behalf as to know. I didn’t like it, cause it was taken seriously. However I still love you? But, it’s good for you to know.

 

[MatthewG]

While I maintain the name of Yahavah is important. Most will not care, and that is okay! Why is it okay? Because it is their own decision to live their life in front of the one whom they choose to serve. Sometimes it may be the god of the self, or something else... god of help me, but not others... who knows...

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings MatthewG,

Was it vitally important for man to hide Gods name to begin with? God desired his name to be made known, according to himself speaking with Moses. If it’s important or not to your daily relationship, I don’t know.

I am not greatly concerned that the use, pronunciation and spelling of the YHWH Name is to some extent hidden. Like any Bible subject we need to carefully consider this and any other Bible subject. I prefer to use the YHWH Name and if I read the KJV "The LORD" I will think and state "Yahweh". I also consider that it is important to understand the meaning of the YHWH Name, and to some extent this is more important than only using the YHWH Name.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @TrevorHL,

That is fine and great! I find Yahavah, to be as breathing. If you would like to express the reasoning behind Yahweh, you may. There are many people who express Yahavah name in many ways. Yehovah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Dios and even Yahavah. There are probably many more differing pronunciations, but the over all point is directing your prayers to the Creator of all things, and seeking him in faith and truth.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again MatthewG,

That is fine and great! I find Yahavah, to be as breathing. If you would like to express the reasoning behind Yahweh, you may.

I use Yahweh because it is considered by many Hebrew scholars to be more accurate. I have never encountered "Yahavah" before, and it appears to be a blending of Yahweh and Jehovah. I consider the rendition "Jehovah" to be erroneous, as it is based upon the wrong vowel points - refer Strong's #3068, #3069.

Kind regards
Trevor.

 

[MatthewG]

Greetings again MatthewG,

I use Yahweh because it is considered by many Hebrew scholars to be more accurate. I have never encountered "Yahavah" before, and it appears to be a blending of Yahweh and Jehovah. I consider the rendition "Jehovah" to be erroneous, as it is based upon the wrong vowel points - refer Strong's #3068, #3069.

Kind regards
Trevor.

Trev, I’m all about peace. And your freedom to express yourself! Love you and you have a good day, cause it’s not something I’m looking to get corrected on. You are helpful in directing but I have no issue with the use of Yahavah.

Peace,

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again MatthewG,

I’m all about peace. And your freedom to express yourself! Love you and you have a good day, cause it’s not something I’m looking to get corrected on. You are helpful in directing but I have no issue with the use of Yahavah.

No problems, but your possible unique variant aroused my curiosity. I have been in an environment which has used "Yahweh" for many years, and I have a number of translations that use "Yahweh". As I stated your use of "Yahavah" is this thread is my first encounter with this version.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[JohnDB]

@JohnDB the biggest problem I see, is people denying that Yeshua, made his Fathers name known. Which is okay. However people decide to worship is personal. It doesn't mean that Yahavahs name should continue to made secret or unknown.

God the Father's tag is "I am/I Will Be" or Yahweh in Hebrew.

Yeshua/Jesus is the title of "Yahweh Saves"

These are descriptive Titles....not tags. As all names mentioned in scripture are titles.

President, Co-Chairman, Pastor, and etc are all descriptive titles.

Now what's really whacked is the manner that our Modern English bibles treat names in scriptures. Sometimes it's with an Anglicised Latin naming convention and sometimes it tries to remain true to its Greek or Hebrew roots.

Adam...was an Adam....all well and good.
Eve? Nope....fine in Latin but her name is Hawwah in Hebrew. Her Title literally translates as "Mother of all living" . Kinda a long winded title but no less important than that of Adam (man).

Peter/"Kep-has" is where things begin to really get hinkie. Kephas is his name in Aramaic....in Latin it's Peter....but in Hebrew a "Peter" is the word for maternal first born. (That which breaches the womb) And that's appropriate as well for Peter as the Apostolic leader.

Which then begs the question....
God obviously knew the future....and is playing with us and our warped naming conventions across the eons of time and languages. These aren't tags...they are titles. No different from POTUS not just being a title but an acronym for the title. But it sounds like a Roman/Greek name all at the same time.

So for me?
I've had a slew of nicknames and titles over the years....I answered to them all when used. Each one meant "me" in essence....that's who they were addressing.
Little children addressing grandparents as meemaw, pawpaw, big mamma, and whatever....doesn't change the way the parent feels about their grandson.

I got a feeling it's the same for God.