Why no one is going to go to hell

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

darkspeed6

New Member
Jan 28, 2024
36
9
8
25
Illinois
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
The human mind can't be non physical.

If it were, then parts of the human mind would be evil and the other parts would be good. It would be like two armies at war, with one being good and the other evil.

But the army that is good must be the smarter army of the two of them. Given infinite time to plan a revolt, the smarter army would eventually break free from the evil/dumb army by outsmarting them. The dumb army would be too dumb to foresee it happening.

So when the bible says that the human mind is non physical and has two different personalities with one being good and the other not, it's the same as saying what I said above. The good side would win in the end.

The bible still tries to say that into eternity the evil side will outsmart the good side and take full control forever. That makes zero sense by psychology and physics. The only way to win a war is to outsmart the other side.

We see the same overused idea in fiction and in real life. The evil group initially is allowed control by the smart group, but the smarter group uses that as a way to take full control by secret.

Evil people r suicidal and only decide to capture smart people as a means of coping with their own one inevitable suicide. That leads to smart people eventually taking back control. Evil people r mentally crippled and cannot maintain control forever.
 
Last edited:

Matthias

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
19,538
13,609
113
Kentucky
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
My advice to readers: Listen to Jesus. Compare what he says with what the OP says. Decide who to believe.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Debp

darkspeed6

New Member
Jan 28, 2024
36
9
8
25
Illinois
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
My advice to readers: Listen to Jesus. Compare what he says with what the OP says. Decide who to believe.
If u had a son who had evil within himself, but he also had good within himself, wouldn't you give him as much time as necessary for him to make the good within himself extinguish the evil within himself?

If yes, why wouldnt the same logic not apply to every soul that god created? Why not give all his creation as much time as they need to extinguish their inner evil using their inner good? What's the worst that can happen?
 

rockytopva

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Dec 31, 2010
5,566
2,749
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
If u had a son who had evil within himself, but he also had good within himself, wouldn't you give him as much time as necessary for him to make the good within himself extinguish the evil within himself?

If yes, why wouldnt the same logic not apply to every soul that god created? Why not give all his creation as much time as they need to extinguish their inner evil using their inner good? What's the worst that can happen?
Man's original lifespan was a thousand years. If we are coming back to reign with Christ a thousand years that will be plenty of time to extinguish any evil within. Any more lifespan on this side of the millennial would over populate the earth.
 

Matthias

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
19,538
13,609
113
Kentucky
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
If u had a son who had evil within himself, but he also had good within himself, wouldn't you give him as much time as necessary for him to make the good within himself extinguish the evil within himself?

If yes, why wouldnt the same logic not apply to every soul that god created? Why not give all his creation as much time as they need to extinguish their inner evil using their inner good? What's the worst that can happen?

The worst that can happen is the evil would never end.
 

darkspeed6

New Member
Jan 28, 2024
36
9
8
25
Illinois
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
The worst that can happen is the evil would never end.
Ur logic is flawed because it endlessly assumes that the source of the evil cannot be erased by the good within. U haven't given any proof that evil can't be erased by good
 

Matthias

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
19,538
13,609
113
Kentucky
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
Ur logic is flawed because it endlessly assumes that the source of the evil cannot be erased by the good within. U haven't given any proof that evil can't be erased by good

The lives of man is the proof.

God alone is good (Mark 10:18).

I‘ve already asked you how long you need to change.
 

Behold

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2020
20,325
8,126
113
Netanya or Pensacola
Faith
Christian
Country
Israel
So when the bible says that the human mind is non physical and has two different personalities with one being good and the other not, it's the same as saying what I said above. The good side would win in the end.

Thousand of people who went to hell today, now believe its real.
And every single one of them, now believes in Jesus.

They're still there.
Why?
Because there is no 2nd Chance to be born again, in Hell.

So, we trust in Christ now, or we wish we had, after we die.
 
  • Like
Reactions: M3n0r4h and Debp

PanInVietnam

New Member
Jun 14, 2024
53
20
8
50
Hanoi
Faith
Other Faith
Country
Viet Nam
coming from a chinese tradition - is there Hell to begin with? (Heaven is also another question) No one (except those 'individuals' of other beliefs) actually can say for sure
 

Matthias

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
19,538
13,609
113
Kentucky
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
coming from a chinese tradition - is there Hell to begin with? (Heaven is also another question) No one (except those 'individuals' of other beliefs) actually can say for sure

Please consider this, the New Testament witness: Jesus of Nazareth can say for sure. He died, was resurrected to life, and has ascended to heaven.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Debp

PanInVietnam

New Member
Jun 14, 2024
53
20
8
50
Hanoi
Faith
Other Faith
Country
Viet Nam
i think there are also similar story from other religions as well. so far in the modern news do not has anyone resurrected from dead... a google search on this resurrection yield nothing but a under 17 hours 'clinically' dead and return to live shouldn't be considered?
 

Matthias

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
19,538
13,609
113
Kentucky
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
i think there are also similar story from other religions as well. so far in the modern news do not has anyone resurrected from dead... a google search on this resurrection yield nothing but a under 17 hours 'clinically' dead and return to live shouldn't be considered?

There are witnesses to the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of one man.

Jesus of Nazareth was dead and in the tomb for three days and three nights.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Debp

RedFan

Well-Known Member
May 15, 2022
2,871
1,258
113
70
New Hampshire
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The human mind can't be non physical.
That's true. The mind has a biological basis.

If it were, then parts of the human mind would be evil and the other parts would be good.
That's false. A non-physical mind wouldn't have "parts" at all. Even the physical seat of the mind, although it has parts, does not have a physical part in which good resides and another physical part in which evil resides. The human mind is structured so as to enable choices based on influences and desires, be they good or evil. No partitioning is present in any physical sense.
 

PanInVietnam

New Member
Jun 14, 2024
53
20
8
50
Hanoi
Faith
Other Faith
Country
Viet Nam
There are witnesses to the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of one man.

Jesus of Nazareth was dead and in the tomb for three days and three nights.
where states? and is there multiple source or just one source? most religion is 'monopolized' by one individuals: like Buddhism, one guy receives the enlightenment which no one else did (before or after), then spread the 'way/path/methods' for his follower/believer to follow and hope they gets it too (but no one ever did, just that Buddha gets it ). at least some Taoism (the way) followers able to obtain 'divinity' after few hundreds years minimum training. of course that's the chinese legends.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Matthias

Matthias

Well-Known Member
May 3, 2022
19,538
13,609
113
Kentucky
Faith
Other Faith
Country
United States
where states?

Primarily in the four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

and is there multiple source or just one source? most religion is 'monopolized' by one individuals: like Buddhism, one guy receives the enlightenment which no one else did (before or after), then spread the 'way/path/methods' for his follower/believer to follow and hope they gets it too (but no one ever did, just that Buddha gets it ). at least some Taoism (the way) followers able to obtain 'divinity' after few hundreds years minimum training. of course that's the chinese legends.

Multiple sources.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Debp

Debp

Well-Known Member
Jul 5, 2020
7,686
9,802
113
California
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
where states? and is there multiple source or just one source?
As @Matthias said above, there are multiple sources about Jesus Christ.

Josephus was a Jewish historian and he writes about Jesus Christ being a historical person, even mentioning the resurrection of Jesus Christ.


 
  • Like
Reactions: PanInVietnam

PanInVietnam

New Member
Jun 14, 2024
53
20
8
50
Hanoi
Faith
Other Faith
Country
Viet Nam
while waiting for the flight back home, googled a few sources to cross/double check and not discount the effort of @Debp, thank you and i will watch the video link when i return home.

edit: while waiting for the gate to open (now is delayed for 30mins ‍) googled the possibility to entertain "resurrection" by medical term. the result is much believable then religious figures's resurrections
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_20240623_175633_Chrome.png
    Screenshot_20240623_175633_Chrome.png
    338 KB · Views: 0
  • Screenshot_20240623_184845_Chrome.png
    Screenshot_20240623_184845_Chrome.png
    248.5 KB · Views: 0
Last edited: