Why I'm NOT a Christian. - Or so they say...

[St. SteVen]

but the things that are written thats what we should follow let us not make myths and follow them God already gave us his word which is the bible so that we might be saved God knows those other ways but we do not

Do you think that God would hold us to a higher standard of morality than he holds himself to?
What many Christians claim about God indicates that they believe He does hold himself to a lower standard.

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should he do with his enemies? More or less?

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[ThePuffyBlob]

That is NEVER my point.
I think we are horribly wrong about God.

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sorry it is for @RedFan it is just a continuation of what i was typing and it is also a mistake because i should have just edit my post

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Do you think that God would hold us to a higher standard of morality than he holds himself to?
What many Christians claim about God indicates that they believe He does hold himself to a lower standard.

Jesus taught us to love our enemies. What should he do with his enemies? More or less?

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let me also edit what i said i was actually saying that

God knows your heart, but I do not. I cannot see your heart because it is not God's will for humans to see another person's heart. Likewise, the Bible is what God gave us so that we might be saved. The other ways I mentioned are not God's will for us to know; it is not our responsibility to learn about them. Let us focus on what God has given us, not on what He has not. Let us not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will take care of itself. Let us concentrate on the present, which is what God has provided. The Bible is an instruction for teaching, correcting, and training in character, so that the person who belongs to God can be equipped to do everything that is good.

 

[RedFan]

we have no right to dictate God that he is wrong he will never be wrong

That's certainly true. He's the Boss. And if His justice is inscrutable, so be it.

 

[Lambano]

we have no right to dictate God that he is wrong he will never be wrong

Not that that will ever stop anyone from trying.

Here, hold my beer.

 

[St. SteVen]

ThePuffyBlob said:
we have no right to dictate God that he is wrong he will never be wrong

Not that that will ever stop anyone from trying.

I'm more concerned about the humans that have given us the wrong idea about God.
That's something we should disagree with.

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[TheHC]

Didn't you say earlier that there were only three commandments before the 600+ of the law given to Moses?

In Genesis, isn’t that what you read? A & E only had one prohibitive law! 3 in total….

Why? They were perfect…. They didn’t need much guidance.

OTOH, the Mosaic Law (law given to the Israelites) consisted of over 600!

Why? Because of imperfection (lots of selfishness).

Christians are not under the Mosaic Law; but that entire Law is summed up by loving Jehovah God & loving our neighbor (Matthew 22:37-40; John 13:34; Romans 13:10; Galatians 5:14), which is the Law of the Christ. — Galatians 6:2.

Sorry it took awhile to respond, I’ve been quite busy.


Take care, my cousin.

 

[St. SteVen]

In Genesis, isn’t that what you read? A & E only had one prohibitive law! 3 in total….

Why? They were perfect…. They didn’t need much guidance.

OTOH, the Mosaic Law (law given to the Israelites) consisted of over 600!

Why? Because of imperfection (lots of selfishness).

Christians are not under the Mosaic Law; but that entire Law is summed up by loving Jehovah God & loving our neighbor (Matthew 22:37-40; John 13:34; Romans 13:10; Galatians 5:14), which is the Law of the Christ. — Galatians 6:2.

Sorry it took awhile to respond, I’ve been quite busy.


Take care, my cousin.

Thanks.
I guess what was pointing to was the period of time between the garden (orchard) and the giving of the law through Moses.
What law did Cain break when he murdered his brother?

I posit that God's law of human conscience came as a consequence/benefit of eating the forbidden fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.

Isn't that what our God-given human conscience is? The knowledge (discernment) of good and evil?


Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Romans 8:7 NIV
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

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[TheHC]

What law did Cain break when he murdered his brother?

You answered it… “God’s Law of human conscience”.

But that was built-in at their creation. That is why they only had 1 prohibitive law. Their conscience worked perfectly, and was no doubt a stronger influence, before they sinned.

Adam really had to force himself, to go against Jehovah’s law.

Although we really don’t know what it’s like to be perfect….. Some day, though, maybe we’ll all find out.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What law did Cain break when he murdered his brother?

You answered it… “God’s Law of human conscience”.

Indeed, thanks.

But that was built-in at their creation. That is why they only had 1 prohibitive law. Their conscience worked perfectly, and was no doubt a stronger influence, before they sinned.

I see it differently.
Why do we need a conscience?
The conscience serves to inform us when we are tempted to do something wrong.

I don't think A&E had a conscience prior to the Fall.

At the end of Genesis chapter 2, they were naked and unashamed.
After eating the forbidden fruit they were scrambling to cover their "shameful" nakedness.
What happened? I love God's unanswered question. "Who told you that you were naked?"
Who indeed. ???

The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil opened the mind of humankind to both.
The knowledge of good was our God-given human conscience. The knowledge of evil was Satan's voice
of temptation and shaming condemnation.

Adam really had to force himself, to go against Jehovah’s law.

A&E were deceived by the serpent. Prior to that there was no interest.

Eve took the lead. Adam failed to stop her.

--- PARODY ---

Serpent: Did God really say... ?
Eve: He said don't eat and don't touch.
Adam: Oops, my bad, I said don't touch.
Eve: What?! God didn't say that? !!!
Adam: No, I added that because I know
you like to touch things without thinking.
Eve: So, you don't trust me? !!!
Adam: I'm looking out for our best interests. My job.
Eve: I see.
Serpent: Are you going to eat, or not? !!!
Eve: Let me check with the boss. - LOL
Adam: Scram serpent!
Serpent: Hiss... (walks away dejected)
Eve: Hey, let's check out that other tree.
Adam: Good idea!

Indeed.

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[Jack]

If I spoke out against racism, would that make me black?


It is also written that those who engage in hatred will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21 NIV
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before,
that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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You should have kept reading I Cor 6 says gays will burn in Hell forever!

Are you gay?

 

[Bladerunner]

I'll make it easy: NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN. "Jesus is coming here to set up the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

wrong about "NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN" but right about: "Jesus is coming here to set up the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth." actually 1,000 years of His reign physically on earth.

 

[Jack]

I'll make it easy: NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN. Jesus is coming here to set up the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

Where do they go?

 

[Bladerunner]

St. SteVen said:
What law did Cain break when he murdered his brother?

Indeed, thanks.


I see it differently.
Why do we need a conscience?
The conscience serves to inform us when we are tempted to do something wrong.

I don't think A&E had a conscience prior to the Fall.

At the end of Genesis chapter 2, they were naked and unashamed.
After eating the forbidden fruit they were scrambling to cover their "shameful" nakedness.
What happened? I love God's unanswered question. "Who told you that you were naked?"
Who indeed. ???

The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil opened the mind of humankind to both.
The knowledge of good was our God-given human conscience. The knowledge of evil was Satan's voice
of temptation and shaming condemnation.


A&E were deceived by the serpent. Prior to that there was no interest.

Eve took the lead. Adam failed to stop her.

--- PARODY ---

Serpent: Did God really say... ?
Eve: He said don't eat and don't touch.
Adam: Oops, my bad, I said don't touch.
Eve: What?! God didn't say that? !!!
Adam: No, I added that because I know
you like to touch things without thinking.
Eve: So, you don't trust me? !!!
Adam: I'm looking out for our best interests. My job.
Eve: I see.
Serpent: Are you going to eat, or not? !!!
Eve: Let me check with the boss. - LOL
Adam: Scram serpent!
Serpent: Hiss... (walks away dejected)
Eve: Hey, let's check out that other tree.
Adam: Good idea!

Indeed.

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your mocking God and that is not healthy nor wise. Adam ate the fruit of the forbidden tree because of the Love of a Woman.

 

[Jack]

your mocking God and that is not healthy nor wise. Adam ate the fruit of the forbidden tree because of the Love of a Woman.

I don't think STV likes women.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

wrong idea about God.

i gave the wrong idea about God? when?

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

You should have kept reading I Cor 6 says gays will burn in Hell forever!

Are you gay?

But what is the basis for saying a person is gay? In my opinion, if a person is attracted to the same sex, that alone is not being gay. They only become gay if they form a connection with someone of the same sex.

As long as that person has not done that, then he is not yet gay. However, even if that person becomes gay and forms a connection, if they repent, I am sure their name will still be written in the book of life.

But if another person condemns this person, saying 'You are gay, you will rot in hell no matter what you do,' this person holds their head high, proud. It is written the proud will be humbled, and the humble will be elevated

Being attracted to the same sex is simply you being affected by God's curse.
Romans 1:25-28
who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

So if you continue with this kind of mentality, you will indeed join the fallen angels to be tortured day and night for all eternity.

 

[Jack]

But what is the basis for saying a person is gay? In my opinion, if a person is attracted to the same sex, that alone is not being gay. They only become gay if they form a connection with someone of the same sex.

They have sex with the same sex. lol

As long as that person has not done that, then he is not yet gay. However, even if that person becomes gay and forms a connection, if they repent, I am sure their name will still be written in the book of life.

If they repent then they're not gay!

But if another person condemns this person, saying 'You are gay, you will rot in hell no matter what you do,' this person holds their head high, proud. It is written the proud will be humbled, and the humble will be elevated

You're now referring to Paul who was taught by Jesus. Better repent!

Being attracted to the same sex is simply you being affected by God's curse.
Romans 1:25-28
who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

You're playing word games.

So if you continue with this kind of mentality, you will indeed join the fallen angels to be tortured day and night for all eternity.

Bible believers burn in Hell? LOL!!!

 

[TheHC]

I don't think A&E had a conscience prior to the Fall.

I say they did…. That’s why they only had 1 prohibition.
If they had had no conscience, they would have needed more than 600 laws…”don’t slap the animals”; “Adam, don’t be mean to your wife”; “Eve, don’t murder Adam while he’s sleeping”; etc etc.

At the end of Genesis chapter 2, they were naked and unashamed.
After eating the forbidden fruit they were scrambling to cover their "shameful" nakedness.
What happened? I love God's unanswered question. "Who told you that you were naked?"
Who indeed. ???

To the innocent, there is nothing shameful about being naked. They lost their innocent nature.

Today though, going around naked can induce improper behavior.

The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil opened the mind of humankind to both.
The knowledge of good was our God-given human conscience.

They already knew what good behavior was… hence, only 1 prohibition.

The knowledge of evil was Satan's voice
of temptation and shaming condemnation.

That tree had only one use; it symbolized God’s right to set the standards for man as to what is “good” (or approved) by God
and what is “bad”(or condemned) by God. It was there only to test man's respect for his Creator’s position as Sovereign.

Best wishes.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:

wrong idea about God.

i gave the wrong idea about God? when?

Not you specifically.
"... humans that have given us the wrong idea about God."

Not that that will ever stop anyone from trying.

ThePuffyBlob said:
we have no right to dictate God that he is wrong he will never be wrong

I'm more concerned about the humans that have given us the wrong idea about God.
That's something we should disagree with.

The concern is with erroneous claims about God.

The conversation starts back on page 7.

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